Ant-Man and the Wasp Spoilers Thread

You must have missed the memo:

Captain Marvel shows up in Infinity War part 2 and saves everyone. Black Widow is still kickin'. So is Black Panther's female friends and family.
1) No, she won't.
2) She has no superpowers.
3) They have no superpowers.

Also at no point have I said that there are no women in the MCU or that they never get to do anything, but okay. What I'm saying is that, compared to the comics, the movie universe is a goddamn sausagefest.

But anyway.... Samsnee is right, we're disgressing too much here. So um, to get back on topic... I can't believe that drummer ant is real.
 
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This is the whole plot I found online
Movie opens with a flashback to Hank and Janet going on a 'business trip' and saying goodbye to Hope. Flashback is then an expansion from the first film where Janet shrinks to sub-atomic level to disarm a missile (only this time with dialogue and scenes of Janet entering the quantum realm). It then cuts to Hank and Hope after the end of the first film, where Pym reveals that Scott's trip to the quantum realm has reignited his hope that Janet is still alive, and Pym shows Hope old blueprints for a machine that might be used to save Janet.

Two years after Civil War Cassie is visiting Scott for the weekend at Scott and Luis's apartment. Scott and Luis are starting a new security business with Dave and Kurt called X-Con. Cassie and Scott are playing around when Scott's leg crashes through the fence, outside the perimeter of his house arrest. The FBI and Jimmy Woo show up and remind Scott that his house arrest ends in a few days and check that he has not been in any contact with Hank or Hope (who are wanted after the Soviet Accords and their connection to Antman and the suit). Scott assures Woo that he hasn't been in contact and that Pym would likely not want to hear from him anyway.

Scott takes a bath and falls asleep in the bath where he has a vision of Janet. The dream changes to what appears to be a memory of Janet playing hide-and-seek with a young Hope, with Scott viewing the memory from Janet's perspective. He wakes up. Scott pulls a hidden cell-phone out of the wall and calls Pym and leaves a message about the dream. Scott goes to eat cereal but is then tranquilized by a flying ant. He wakes up in a car next to Hope. He is immediately alarmed to be outside of the house, but Hope reassures him that the ankle detector was left on an enlarged ant, who is mimicking Scott's routine inside the house.

She drives Scott to an abandoned building that actually has an advanced lab inside. Hope and Pym explain that they've been building a big portal that they believe will give them access to the Quantum Realm so they can retrieve Janet. They actually tried turning it on last night, but it shut down after only a few moments. Scott called them about the dreams minutes later. Hope and Pym believe Scott's experience in the Quantum Realm gave him some kind of mental link to Janet, and need him to help bring her back.
Scott is insistent that he return home in time to get the ankle sensor removed, but Hope reassures him that they will be able to return him by then.

Scott, Hope, and Pym go outside to shrink the entire building into a portable box and leave in a van. Pym asks about Scott's suit, making sure that Scott destroyed it and did not allow it to fall into the wrong hands. Scott confirms he destroyed it. The three of them drive to a restaurant owned by Sonny Burch, a black market dealer. Hope goes alone to do the exchange under an alias while Hank and Scott watch through a monitor. Burch reveals to Hope that his contact in the FBI has told him Hope's true identity. He refuses to sell the technology part and attempts to blackmail Hope into having Pym create technology for him that he can sell. She refuses and pretends to leave.

Hope actually changes into the Wasp costume and gets the tech part. She almost succeeds when Ghost suddenly appears, who attempts to take the tech part for herself. Pym gives Scott a new suit to help Hope, but he warns Scott that the suit isn't completely finished. Scott and Hope fight Ghost for a bit, but then she escapes with the tech part as well as the mini building.
Pym, Hope, and Scott decide to go to Bill Foster to find a way to track the lab.

They go (in disguise) to the university where Foster is a lecturer and Foster immediately recognizes Pym. Foster reveals he used to work with Pym on Project Goliath. He claims he was Pym's partner, but Pym objects to this. Foster claims he left because he was sick of dealing with Pym, but Pym claims he fired him. They see the FBI out the window, clearly looking for them. The three get away, and Foster tells Woo and the FBI that he hasn't seen Pym in years. Foster ultimately wasn't any help finding the lab. Pym mentions that if he had access to his older tech, he could track the lab with it.

Scott reveals he did not destroy his original suit, instead shrinking it and hiding it away. Scott hid the old suit within a World's Greatest Grandma trophy given to him by Cassie, but she has taken it to school with her for Show and Tell. Hope and Scott infiltrate the school and retrieve the trophy (Scott's new suit malfunctions making him the size of a child, which he uses to blend in).

Pym tracks down the lab to a building where Ghost has set up a chamber that she appears to use to regulate her phase-shifting. Hope and Scott attempt to steal the lab back, but Ghost awakens and takes them out. Scott wakes up with Hope and Pym tied up next to him. Ghost claims to not want to hurt Scott, but wants to use his connection to Janet. Foster reveals himself to be working with Ghost.

We get more flashbacks discussing how Ghost's father (who I believe is Elihas Starr AKA Egghead) had also worked with Pym, but had been fired and discredited by him. An explosion occurs which kills Ghost parents and gives Ghost her powers. A young Ghost is comforted by Bill Foster who gives her a teddy bear. Ghost came to work for SHIELD, who created her suit to help control her abilities. They used her as a spy and assassin. After SHIELD ended, Foster took care of her and built her the stability chamber.

Ghost believes Pym's portal is the key to curing her, as the phasing is incredibly painful to her and will eventually kill her. Her plan is to draw quantum energy from Janet which could kill her (Janet). The tri manage to escape with the help of some ants take the mini lab and tech parts with them.

Now that they have the lab back and all the parts of the portal, Pym and Hope attempt to activate it again. Nothing seems to happen, with Scott unable to sense Janet. Suddenly, Scott walks over to the computers and starts editing data. Pym and Hope attempt to stop him, but it turns out to actually be Janet temporarily possessing Scott's Body. Scott lovingly caresses Hank's face as Hank and Janet (through Scott) are reunited. Janet gives Pym and Hope coordinates to her location within the Quantum Realm. She tells him they will have to act quickly, and only have once chance. The portal closes back up, with Scott having no memory of what just occurred.
Meanwhile, Foster reveals to Ghost that the chamber is no longer effective, and that she may only have a matter of days or weeks to live.

Luis calls Scott and Scott gives Luis the lab's current location, which is deep in the forest. As Luis is leaving, he is stopped by Burch and his people who want to know how to find Scott. Burch has his goons tie up Luis, Dave, and Kurt. One goon uses truth serum on Luis. When asked where Scott is, Luis starts telling a story in the same style as the first film, talking about how he met Scott, Scott's relationship with Hope, and where Scott is emotionally.
Burch asks where Scott is literally. Luis tells him.

Ghost, who was invisible and eavesdropping departs for the lab. Burch reasons that it will next to impossible to get Pym's tech from Ghost. He calls his FBI contact, who turns out to be one of Woo's men, telling him Pym and Scott's location. Luis calls Scott to warn him that Ghost and the FBI are on their way. Scott warns Pym and Hope to hurry. He has to leave them now in order to get back home before the FBI find him missing.

Pym and Hope shrink the lab in an attempt to relocate, but the FBI are already there. The lab is confiscated and Pym and Hope are arrested. Thanks to Cassie stalling Woo, Scott is able to return home on time. Woo and Scott receive word that Pym and Hope are in custody. Burch's FBI contact attempts to sneak away the lab, but Ghost takes it from him. Pym and Hope, in a police interrogation room, free themselves from their handcuffs and formulate a plan to blow up one of the walls to escape. Scott stops them by dropping in Hope's Wasp suit and a FBI disguise for Pym, covering the security camera with ants (similar to what Hank did in the first movie). They escape together. Pym had created a new way to track the lab, so they are able to immediately locate it again. Ghost has moved the lab to another part of the city with Foster.

Scott draws Ghost out to an adjacent building. Pym retakes the lab from Foster with giant ants, intending to make the trip to the Quantum Realm himself. Pym tells Foster that he fully intends to help Ghost after he's saved Janet. Foster wishes him good luck. Pym goes through the portal. Foster is escorted outside the building by the ants. Hope then re-shrinks the building. The plan is to regrow the building in time for Hank and Janet to return through the portal. There's a big car chase sequence, with the building and the remote to shrink/grow the building repeatedly changing hands between Ghost, Scott, Hope and Burch.

Meanwhile, Pym flies into the Quantum Realm in his little ship. He eventually steps outside of it to look for Janet. It seems he cannot find her, and Pym starts hallucinating. Janet comes to save him. She places her fingers on his temples and is somehow able to remove the disorientation that the Quantum Realm induces. She claims to have changed in a way she can't completely explain. She and Pym kiss.

Ultimately, Ghost is left behind during the car chase, and Burch runs on foot with the shrunken building to the Fisherman's Wharf. He boards a whale-watching boat, Scott going after him. Scott grows to enormous size and simply swims up to the boat (at one point being mistaken for a whale) and takes the lab from Burch's hands. Scott places the building down by the pier, clearing people away from it. He passes out from the strain of growing so large, and Hope dives into the sea to save him. She brings him back to land, Scott wakes up, and they kiss.

Ghost takes the remote from Luis and grows the building. Foster runs in after her. Foster attempts to talk her out of her plans out of concern for Janet. He reasons that Janet is also a brilliant scientist and may be able to help upon her return. Ghost refuses, saying it's easy for Foster to try to pick the high road when he's not the one dying. She tosses him aside and turns the portal on, which has been hooked up to her stability chamber. In the Quantum Realm, Janet begins to phase away. Scott and Hope arrive, stopping the process. They and Ghost fight. Pym and Janet's vessel arrive through the portal, they hit Ghost but Scott and Hope are able to move out of the way.

Hope and Janet have a tearful reunion. Ghost gets back up but Janet touches her fingers to Ghost's temples and appears to use her new abilities to cure Ghost of her affliction. Luis arrives to warn them that the FBI are on their way. Scott blows up his suit and uses it to distract Woo and the FBI while everyone else can make their escape. Ghost and Foster run off on their own. Ghost implores Foster to leave her but Foster swears to never abandon her, and they hug. Scott is again able to arrive home before Woo. The FBI have no choice but to remove his ankle sensor as his house arrest has ended.
During the commotion, Dave and Kurt apprehended Burch and his goons, using the truth serum to make them admit their crimes to the police. They end up on TV for their heroism, and X-Con gets an increase in clients. Later, Scott, Cassie, and Hope watch a drive-in movie together (Actually a shrunken car watching a laptop screen) and Hank and Janet grow a house on the beachside.

In the post-credits scene, Pym and Janet create a smaller version of the Quantum Realm portal that fits in the back of Luis's van. They send Scott through so he can collect quantum particles in a cannister for Ghost. Once Scott has finished, he asks to be brought back through the portal, but there's no response as Hank, Janet and Hope have turned to dust.

The second post-credits scene is just a shot of a big ant playing the drums.
 
1) No, she won't.


How in the hell do you know?

Odds are, she's going to be a big deal in that film one way or another. I tend to agree she won't "save everyone's asses", but you have no way of knowing one way or the other. She'll be a big gun of some description though, just by nature of the character.
 
You must have missed the memo:

Captain Marvel shows up in Infinity War part 2 and saves everyone. Black Widow is still kickin'. So is Black Panther's female friends and family.

Both things can be true at the same time. Marvel can be making headway in representing women... and at the same time, superhero women can be underrepresented in the Marvel Universe.

The presence of strong women doesn't give Marvel a pass. There's an imbalance. That's for box office reasons IMO.. but it doesn't matter why. It's just how it is right now.
 
They simply have traditionally had much fewer woman superheroes, as did virtually every form of media. They worked with what they had to get off of the ground now they're becoming more diverse by the year. You can't be mad that they ran with what they had to work with, and then made sequels to those movies once they became popular.

I imagine Phase 4 onward will be more diverse than prior Phases.
 
They simply have traditionally had much fewer woman superheroes, as did virtually every form of media. They worked with what they had to get off of the ground now they're becoming more diverse by the year. You can't be mad that they ran with what they had to work with, and then made sequels to those movies once they became popular.

I imagine Phase 4 onward will be more diverse than prior Phases.

A concept lost on a few people here for some reason though.. :)
 
Seeing how many 'comic book fans' are clearly uncomfortable with women in roles other than damsel in distress, evidently, they chose the most profitable option.
 
I have already stated my opinion. All I'm gonna add is that without the female Avengers, the MCU feels incomplete. The F4 and the mutants are not the only thing that's currently missing from this universe.
 
Seeing how many 'comic book fans' are clearly uncomfortable with women in roles other than damsel in distress, evidently, they chose the most profitable option.

Lol at the PA here. When you don't have a point to begin with, I guess it makes sense to make grandstanding noise over something no one said here in the first place.
 
Stuff I found on Reddit

The Ghost is Ava Foster, Bill Foster’s daughter. Foster and Hank Pym discovered the Quantum Realm together while working for S.H.I.E.L.D., but Pym refused to continue their experiments after Janet Van Dyne disappeared. Foster’s attempts resulted in the death of his wife and Ava being trapped between both realities, allowing her to phase through solid matter, but also keeping her in a state of constant pain. Foster hires Sonny Burch and his men to steal Pym’s mobile headquarters so he can venture into the Quantum Realm, which he believes is the key to controlling time and space, but Ava intervenes, hellbent on destroying their research, which she blames for her mother’s death and her condition.

Foster suits up as Goliath to fight Ant-Man and The Wasp when they discover he is Burch’s employer and attempt to stop him from venturing into the Quantum Realm. Foster nearly defeats them before Ava kills him and then chases Ant-Man and the Wasp into Quantum Realm, where they fight. Janet intervenes, and Ava's containment suit ends up being damaged, causing her to vanish into the very fabric of reality. Ant-Man and The Wasp manage to rescue Janet before the portal collapses, but once they are reunited with Pym in the normal world, Hope and Pym vanish due to Thanos’ attack, leaving Scott and Janet behind.


So they take one of the first Black heroes to have his own comic and turn him into a villain and then kill him off. It is because of stupid borderline unintentional racist crap like this why I have a disdain for Hollywood and why I hate halfhearted gestures of racebending minor or less popular c to z list white characters into Black (and other minority) characters. They racebend white characters that most people don't give a damn about or (if you're a non comic book reader) don't know anything about like Heimdell, Nick Fury,Valkyrie,and Hogun the Grim for the sake of diversity, but then they turn around and cast a white lady to play an Asian character and turn a Black hero into a villain. Because of this change to Bill Foster, I won't be paying to watch this movie.
 
This is the whole plot I found online
Movie opens with a flashback to Hank and Janet going on a 'business trip' and saying goodbye to Hope. Flashback is then an expansion from the first film where Janet shrinks to sub-atomic level to disarm a missile (only this time with dialogue and scenes of Janet entering the quantum realm). It then cuts to Hank and Hope after the end of the first film, where Pym reveals that Scott's trip to the quantum realm has reignited his hope that Janet is still alive, and Pym shows Hope old blueprints for a machine that might be used to save Janet.

Two years after Civil War Cassie is visiting Scott for the weekend at Scott and Luis's apartment. Scott and Luis are starting a new security business with Dave and Kurt called X-Con. Cassie and Scott are playing around when Scott's leg crashes through the fence, outside the perimeter of his house arrest. The FBI and Jimmy Woo show up and remind Scott that his house arrest ends in a few days and check that he has not been in any contact with Hank or Hope (who are wanted after the Soviet Accords and their connection to Antman and the suit). Scott assures Woo that he hasn't been in contact and that Pym would likely not want to hear from him anyway.

Scott takes a bath and falls asleep in the bath where he has a vision of Janet. The dream changes to what appears to be a memory of Janet playing hide-and-seek with a young Hope, with Scott viewing the memory from Janet's perspective. He wakes up. Scott pulls a hidden cell-phone out of the wall and calls Pym and leaves a message about the dream. Scott goes to eat cereal but is then tranquilized by a flying ant. He wakes up in a car next to Hope. He is immediately alarmed to be outside of the house, but Hope reassures him that the ankle detector was left on an enlarged ant, who is mimicking Scott's routine inside the house.

She drives Scott to an abandoned building that actually has an advanced lab inside. Hope and Pym explain that they've been building a big portal that they believe will give them access to the Quantum Realm so they can retrieve Janet. They actually tried turning it on last night, but it shut down after only a few moments. Scott called them about the dreams minutes later. Hope and Pym believe Scott's experience in the Quantum Realm gave him some kind of mental link to Janet, and need him to help bring her back.
Scott is insistent that he return home in time to get the ankle sensor removed, but Hope reassures him that they will be able to return him by then.

Scott, Hope, and Pym go outside to shrink the entire building into a portable box and leave in a van. Pym asks about Scott's suit, making sure that Scott destroyed it and did not allow it to fall into the wrong hands. Scott confirms he destroyed it. The three of them drive to a restaurant owned by Sonny Burch, a black market dealer. Hope goes alone to do the exchange under an alias while Hank and Scott watch through a monitor. Burch reveals to Hope that his contact in the FBI has told him Hope's true identity. He refuses to sell the technology part and attempts to blackmail Hope into having Pym create technology for him that he can sell. She refuses and pretends to leave.

Hope actually changes into the Wasp costume and gets the tech part. She almost succeeds when Ghost suddenly appears, who attempts to take the tech part for herself. Pym gives Scott a new suit to help Hope, but he warns Scott that the suit isn't completely finished. Scott and Hope fight Ghost for a bit, but then she escapes with the tech part as well as the mini building.
Pym, Hope, and Scott decide to go to Bill Foster to find a way to track the lab.

They go (in disguise) to the university where Foster is a lecturer and Foster immediately recognizes Pym. Foster reveals he used to work with Pym on Project Goliath. He claims he was Pym's partner, but Pym objects to this. Foster claims he left because he was sick of dealing with Pym, but Pym claims he fired him. They see the FBI out the window, clearly looking for them. The three get away, and Foster tells Woo and the FBI that he hasn't seen Pym in years. Foster ultimately wasn't any help finding the lab. Pym mentions that if he had access to his older tech, he could track the lab with it.

Scott reveals he did not destroy his original suit, instead shrinking it and hiding it away. Scott hid the old suit within a World's Greatest Grandma trophy given to him by Cassie, but she has taken it to school with her for Show and Tell. Hope and Scott infiltrate the school and retrieve the trophy (Scott's new suit malfunctions making him the size of a child, which he uses to blend in).

Pym tracks down the lab to a building where Ghost has set up a chamber that she appears to use to regulate her phase-shifting. Hope and Scott attempt to steal the lab back, but Ghost awakens and takes them out. Scott wakes up with Hope and Pym tied up next to him. Ghost claims to not want to hurt Scott, but wants to use his connection to Janet. Foster reveals himself to be working with Ghost.

We get more flashbacks discussing how Ghost's father (who I believe is Elihas Starr AKA Egghead) had also worked with Pym, but had been fired and discredited by him. An explosion occurs which kills Ghost parents and gives Ghost her powers. A young Ghost is comforted by Bill Foster who gives her a teddy bear. Ghost came to work for SHIELD, who created her suit to help control her abilities. They used her as a spy and assassin. After SHIELD ended, Foster took care of her and built her the stability chamber.

Ghost believes Pym's portal is the key to curing her, as the phasing is incredibly painful to her and will eventually kill her. Her plan is to draw quantum energy from Janet which could kill her (Janet). The tri manage to escape with the help of some ants take the mini lab and tech parts with them.

Now that they have the lab back and all the parts of the portal, Pym and Hope attempt to activate it again. Nothing seems to happen, with Scott unable to sense Janet. Suddenly, Scott walks over to the computers and starts editing data. Pym and Hope attempt to stop him, but it turns out to actually be Janet temporarily possessing Scott's Body. Scott lovingly caresses Hank's face as Hank and Janet (through Scott) are reunited. Janet gives Pym and Hope coordinates to her location within the Quantum Realm. She tells him they will have to act quickly, and only have once chance. The portal closes back up, with Scott having no memory of what just occurred.
Meanwhile, Foster reveals to Ghost that the chamber is no longer effective, and that she may only have a matter of days or weeks to live.

Luis calls Scott and Scott gives Luis the lab's current location, which is deep in the forest. As Luis is leaving, he is stopped by Burch and his people who want to know how to find Scott. Burch has his goons tie up Luis, Dave, and Kurt. One goon uses truth serum on Luis. When asked where Scott is, Luis starts telling a story in the same style as the first film, talking about how he met Scott, Scott's relationship with Hope, and where Scott is emotionally.
Burch asks where Scott is literally. Luis tells him.

Ghost, who was invisible and eavesdropping departs for the lab. Burch reasons that it will next to impossible to get Pym's tech from Ghost. He calls his FBI contact, who turns out to be one of Woo's men, telling him Pym and Scott's location. Luis calls Scott to warn him that Ghost and the FBI are on their way. Scott warns Pym and Hope to hurry. He has to leave them now in order to get back home before the FBI find him missing.

Pym and Hope shrink the lab in an attempt to relocate, but the FBI are already there. The lab is confiscated and Pym and Hope are arrested. Thanks to Cassie stalling Woo, Scott is able to return home on time. Woo and Scott receive word that Pym and Hope are in custody. Burch's FBI contact attempts to sneak away the lab, but Ghost takes it from him. Pym and Hope, in a police interrogation room, free themselves from their handcuffs and formulate a plan to blow up one of the walls to escape. Scott stops them by dropping in Hope's Wasp suit and a FBI disguise for Pym, covering the security camera with ants (similar to what Hank did in the first movie). They escape together. Pym had created a new way to track the lab, so they are able to immediately locate it again. Ghost has moved the lab to another part of the city with Foster.

Scott draws Ghost out to an adjacent building. Pym retakes the lab from Foster with giant ants, intending to make the trip to the Quantum Realm himself. Pym tells Foster that he fully intends to help Ghost after he's saved Janet. Foster wishes him good luck. Pym goes through the portal. Foster is escorted outside the building by the ants. Hope then re-shrinks the building. The plan is to regrow the building in time for Hank and Janet to return through the portal. There's a big car chase sequence, with the building and the remote to shrink/grow the building repeatedly changing hands between Ghost, Scott, Hope and Burch.

Meanwhile, Pym flies into the Quantum Realm in his little ship. He eventually steps outside of it to look for Janet. It seems he cannot find her, and Pym starts hallucinating. Janet comes to save him. She places her fingers on his temples and is somehow able to remove the disorientation that the Quantum Realm induces. She claims to have changed in a way she can't completely explain. She and Pym kiss.

Ultimately, Ghost is left behind during the car chase, and Burch runs on foot with the shrunken building to the Fisherman's Wharf. He boards a whale-watching boat, Scott going after him. Scott grows to enormous size and simply swims up to the boat (at one point being mistaken for a whale) and takes the lab from Burch's hands. Scott places the building down by the pier, clearing people away from it. He passes out from the strain of growing so large, and Hope dives into the sea to save him. She brings him back to land, Scott wakes up, and they kiss.

Ghost takes the remote from Luis and grows the building. Foster runs in after her. Foster attempts to talk her out of her plans out of concern for Janet. He reasons that Janet is also a brilliant scientist and may be able to help upon her return. Ghost refuses, saying it's easy for Foster to try to pick the high road when he's not the one dying. She tosses him aside and turns the portal on, which has been hooked up to her stability chamber. In the Quantum Realm, Janet begins to phase away. Scott and Hope arrive, stopping the process. They and Ghost fight. Pym and Janet's vessel arrive through the portal, they hit Ghost but Scott and Hope are able to move out of the way.

Hope and Janet have a tearful reunion. Ghost gets back up but Janet touches her fingers to Ghost's temples and appears to use her new abilities to cure Ghost of her affliction. Luis arrives to warn them that the FBI are on their way. Scott blows up his suit and uses it to distract Woo and the FBI while everyone else can make their escape. Ghost and Foster run off on their own. Ghost implores Foster to leave her but Foster swears to never abandon her, and they hug. Scott is again able to arrive home before Woo. The FBI have no choice but to remove his ankle sensor as his house arrest has ended.
During the commotion, Dave and Kurt apprehended Burch and his goons, using the truth serum to make them admit their crimes to the police. They end up on TV for their heroism, and X-Con gets an increase in clients. Later, Scott, Cassie, and Hope watch a drive-in movie together (Actually a shrunken car watching a laptop screen) and Hank and Janet grow a house on the beachside.

In the post-credits scene, Pym and Janet create a smaller version of the Quantum Realm portal that fits in the back of Luis's van. They send Scott through so he can collect quantum particles in a cannister for Ghost. Once Scott has finished, he asks to be brought back through the portal, but there's no response as Hank, Janet and Hope have turned to dust.

The second post-credits scene is just a shot of a big ant playing the drums.


If this plot synopsis is true, then I retract PART of my statement in my previous post and I will pay to see this movie in the theater.
 
Hmmm the credits scene is very important

I wish it was in the movie ...
 
I don't disagree but is suspect they didn't want to do any until they were ready, unlike DC with Catwoman and their Elektra fiasco. They got spooked by those two and **** like Barb Wire and Tank Girl.
Does that really make sense though? What about making a superhero film about a woman makes it so vastly different then adapting random stuff like GotG, Ant-Man, Thor, Cap, Strange, Iron Man, etc.
 
Does that really make sense though? What about making a superhero film about a woman makes it so vastly different then adapting random stuff like GotG, Ant-Man, Thor, Cap, Strange, Iron Man, etc.


Because superheroes appeal more to males than females. Which, of course, is NOT to say that women and girls don't like superheroes. It's just that superheroes on average generally appeal more to boys/men than girls/women.
 
So they take one of the first Black heroes to have his own comic and turn him into a villain and then kill him off. It is because of stupid borderline unintentional racist crap like this why I have a disdain for Hollywood and why I hate halfhearted gestures of racebending minor or less popular c to z list white characters into Black (and other minority) characters. They racebend white characters that most people don't give a damn about or (if you're a non comic book reader) don't know anything about like Heimdell, Nick Fury,Valkyrie,and Hogun the Grim for the sake of diversity, but then they turn around and cast a white lady to play an Asian character and turn a Black hero into a villain. Because of this change to Bill Foster, I won't be paying to watch this movie.

That is fake. No one dies in the movie until the credits scene.
 
Because superheroes appeal more to males than females. Which, of course, is NOT to say that women and girls don't like superheroes. It's just that superheroes on average generally appeal more to boys/men than girls/women.
What does that have to do with anything really? I mean, how did Wonder Woman and The Force Awakens get made, when sci-fi and superheroes generally appeal more to boys/men?
 
Just finished my screening. It's interesting that Janet warns Scott to stay away from the time vortex inside the quantum realm (mid-credit scene). Something related to Avengers 4 perhaps?
 
That opens up a whole new can of worms, a time vortex.
 
This is the whole plot I found online
Movie opens with a flashback to Hank and Janet going on a 'business trip' and saying goodbye to Hope. Flashback is then an expansion from the first film where Janet shrinks to sub-atomic level to disarm a missile (only this time with dialogue and scenes of Janet entering the quantum realm). It then cuts to Hank and Hope after the end of the first film, where Pym reveals that Scott's trip to the quantum realm has reignited his hope that Janet is still alive, and Pym shows Hope old blueprints for a machine that might be used to save Janet.

Two years after Civil War Cassie is visiting Scott for the weekend at Scott and Luis's apartment. Scott and Luis are starting a new security business with Dave and Kurt called X-Con. Cassie and Scott are playing around when Scott's leg crashes through the fence, outside the perimeter of his house arrest. The FBI and Jimmy Woo show up and remind Scott that his house arrest ends in a few days and check that he has not been in any contact with Hank or Hope (who are wanted after the Soviet Accords and their connection to Antman and the suit). Scott assures Woo that he hasn't been in contact and that Pym would likely not want to hear from him anyway.

Scott takes a bath and falls asleep in the bath where he has a vision of Janet. The dream changes to what appears to be a memory of Janet playing hide-and-seek with a young Hope, with Scott viewing the memory from Janet's perspective. He wakes up. Scott pulls a hidden cell-phone out of the wall and calls Pym and leaves a message about the dream. Scott goes to eat cereal but is then tranquilized by a flying ant. He wakes up in a car next to Hope. He is immediately alarmed to be outside of the house, but Hope reassures him that the ankle detector was left on an enlarged ant, who is mimicking Scott's routine inside the house.

She drives Scott to an abandoned building that actually has an advanced lab inside. Hope and Pym explain that they've been building a big portal that they believe will give them access to the Quantum Realm so they can retrieve Janet. They actually tried turning it on last night, but it shut down after only a few moments. Scott called them about the dreams minutes later. Hope and Pym believe Scott's experience in the Quantum Realm gave him some kind of mental link to Janet, and need him to help bring her back.
Scott is insistent that he return home in time to get the ankle sensor removed, but Hope reassures him that they will be able to return him by then.

Scott, Hope, and Pym go outside to shrink the entire building into a portable box and leave in a van. Pym asks about Scott's suit, making sure that Scott destroyed it and did not allow it to fall into the wrong hands. Scott confirms he destroyed it. The three of them drive to a restaurant owned by Sonny Burch, a black market dealer. Hope goes alone to do the exchange under an alias while Hank and Scott watch through a monitor. Burch reveals to Hope that his contact in the FBI has told him Hope's true identity. He refuses to sell the technology part and attempts to blackmail Hope into having Pym create technology for him that he can sell. She refuses and pretends to leave.

Hope actually changes into the Wasp costume and gets the tech part. She almost succeeds when Ghost suddenly appears, who attempts to take the tech part for herself. Pym gives Scott a new suit to help Hope, but he warns Scott that the suit isn't completely finished. Scott and Hope fight Ghost for a bit, but then she escapes with the tech part as well as the mini building.
Pym, Hope, and Scott decide to go to Bill Foster to find a way to track the lab.

They go (in disguise) to the university where Foster is a lecturer and Foster immediately recognizes Pym. Foster reveals he used to work with Pym on Project Goliath. He claims he was Pym's partner, but Pym objects to this. Foster claims he left because he was sick of dealing with Pym, but Pym claims he fired him. They see the FBI out the window, clearly looking for them. The three get away, and Foster tells Woo and the FBI that he hasn't seen Pym in years. Foster ultimately wasn't any help finding the lab. Pym mentions that if he had access to his older tech, he could track the lab with it.

Scott reveals he did not destroy his original suit, instead shrinking it and hiding it away. Scott hid the old suit within a World's Greatest Grandma trophy given to him by Cassie, but she has taken it to school with her for Show and Tell. Hope and Scott infiltrate the school and retrieve the trophy (Scott's new suit malfunctions making him the size of a child, which he uses to blend in).

Pym tracks down the lab to a building where Ghost has set up a chamber that she appears to use to regulate her phase-shifting. Hope and Scott attempt to steal the lab back, but Ghost awakens and takes them out. Scott wakes up with Hope and Pym tied up next to him. Ghost claims to not want to hurt Scott, but wants to use his connection to Janet. Foster reveals himself to be working with Ghost.

We get more flashbacks discussing how Ghost's father (who I believe is Elihas Starr AKA Egghead) had also worked with Pym, but had been fired and discredited by him. An explosion occurs which kills Ghost parents and gives Ghost her powers. A young Ghost is comforted by Bill Foster who gives her a teddy bear. Ghost came to work for SHIELD, who created her suit to help control her abilities. They used her as a spy and assassin. After SHIELD ended, Foster took care of her and built her the stability chamber.

Ghost believes Pym's portal is the key to curing her, as the phasing is incredibly painful to her and will eventually kill her. Her plan is to draw quantum energy from Janet which could kill her (Janet). The tri manage to escape with the help of some ants take the mini lab and tech parts with them.

Now that they have the lab back and all the parts of the portal, Pym and Hope attempt to activate it again. Nothing seems to happen, with Scott unable to sense Janet. Suddenly, Scott walks over to the computers and starts editing data. Pym and Hope attempt to stop him, but it turns out to actually be Janet temporarily possessing Scott's Body. Scott lovingly caresses Hank's face as Hank and Janet (through Scott) are reunited. Janet gives Pym and Hope coordinates to her location within the Quantum Realm. She tells him they will have to act quickly, and only have once chance. The portal closes back up, with Scott having no memory of what just occurred.
Meanwhile, Foster reveals to Ghost that the chamber is no longer effective, and that she may only have a matter of days or weeks to live.

Luis calls Scott and Scott gives Luis the lab's current location, which is deep in the forest. As Luis is leaving, he is stopped by Burch and his people who want to know how to find Scott. Burch has his goons tie up Luis, Dave, and Kurt. One goon uses truth serum on Luis. When asked where Scott is, Luis starts telling a story in the same style as the first film, talking about how he met Scott, Scott's relationship with Hope, and where Scott is emotionally.
Burch asks where Scott is literally. Luis tells him.

Ghost, who was invisible and eavesdropping departs for the lab. Burch reasons that it will next to impossible to get Pym's tech from Ghost. He calls his FBI contact, who turns out to be one of Woo's men, telling him Pym and Scott's location. Luis calls Scott to warn him that Ghost and the FBI are on their way. Scott warns Pym and Hope to hurry. He has to leave them now in order to get back home before the FBI find him missing.

Pym and Hope shrink the lab in an attempt to relocate, but the FBI are already there. The lab is confiscated and Pym and Hope are arrested. Thanks to Cassie stalling Woo, Scott is able to return home on time. Woo and Scott receive word that Pym and Hope are in custody. Burch's FBI contact attempts to sneak away the lab, but Ghost takes it from him. Pym and Hope, in a police interrogation room, free themselves from their handcuffs and formulate a plan to blow up one of the walls to escape. Scott stops them by dropping in Hope's Wasp suit and a FBI disguise for Pym, covering the security camera with ants (similar to what Hank did in the first movie). They escape together. Pym had created a new way to track the lab, so they are able to immediately locate it again. Ghost has moved the lab to another part of the city with Foster.

Scott draws Ghost out to an adjacent building. Pym retakes the lab from Foster with giant ants, intending to make the trip to the Quantum Realm himself. Pym tells Foster that he fully intends to help Ghost after he's saved Janet. Foster wishes him good luck. Pym goes through the portal. Foster is escorted outside the building by the ants. Hope then re-shrinks the building. The plan is to regrow the building in time for Hank and Janet to return through the portal. There's a big car chase sequence, with the building and the remote to shrink/grow the building repeatedly changing hands between Ghost, Scott, Hope and Burch.

Meanwhile, Pym flies into the Quantum Realm in his little ship. He eventually steps outside of it to look for Janet. It seems he cannot find her, and Pym starts hallucinating. Janet comes to save him. She places her fingers on his temples and is somehow able to remove the disorientation that the Quantum Realm induces. She claims to have changed in a way she can't completely explain. She and Pym kiss.

Ultimately, Ghost is left behind during the car chase, and Burch runs on foot with the shrunken building to the Fisherman's Wharf. He boards a whale-watching boat, Scott going after him. Scott grows to enormous size and simply swims up to the boat (at one point being mistaken for a whale) and takes the lab from Burch's hands. Scott places the building down by the pier, clearing people away from it. He passes out from the strain of growing so large, and Hope dives into the sea to save him. She brings him back to land, Scott wakes up, and they kiss.

Ghost takes the remote from Luis and grows the building. Foster runs in after her. Foster attempts to talk her out of her plans out of concern for Janet. He reasons that Janet is also a brilliant scientist and may be able to help upon her return. Ghost refuses, saying it's easy for Foster to try to pick the high road when he's not the one dying. She tosses him aside and turns the portal on, which has been hooked up to her stability chamber. In the Quantum Realm, Janet begins to phase away. Scott and Hope arrive, stopping the process. They and Ghost fight. Pym and Janet's vessel arrive through the portal, they hit Ghost but Scott and Hope are able to move out of the way.

Hope and Janet have a tearful reunion. Ghost gets back up but Janet touches her fingers to Ghost's temples and appears to use her new abilities to cure Ghost of her affliction. Luis arrives to warn them that the FBI are on their way. Scott blows up his suit and uses it to distract Woo and the FBI while everyone else can make their escape. Ghost and Foster run off on their own. Ghost implores Foster to leave her but Foster swears to never abandon her, and they hug. Scott is again able to arrive home before Woo. The FBI have no choice but to remove his ankle sensor as his house arrest has ended.
During the commotion, Dave and Kurt apprehended Burch and his goons, using the truth serum to make them admit their crimes to the police. They end up on TV for their heroism, and X-Con gets an increase in clients. Later, Scott, Cassie, and Hope watch a drive-in movie together (Actually a shrunken car watching a laptop screen) and Hank and Janet grow a house on the beachside.

In the post-credits scene, Pym and Janet create a smaller version of the Quantum Realm portal that fits in the back of Luis's van. They send Scott through so he can collect quantum particles in a cannister for Ghost. Once Scott has finished, he asks to be brought back through the portal, but there's no response as Hank, Janet and Hope have turned to dust.

The second post-credits scene is just a shot of a big ant playing the drums.

Just watched the movie on opening night in Singapore. This is correct.
 
So I was thinking maybe Scott will get to the time vortex in A4 and ends up in the battle of new york or somewhere close to that time, but he didn't know anything about thanos yet, so how is it going to help the avengers to defeat him?
 
So I was thinking maybe Scott will get to the time vortex in A4 and ends up in the battle of new york or somewhere close to that time, but he didn't know anything about thanos yet, so how is it going to help the avengers to defeat him?

Based on what happened I don't think Scott knows who is Thanos until Stark rescues him from Quantium realm.
 
Just caught this movie..... Its better than the 1st one for sure and i can see it grossing $100M to $150M more worldwide....

But..............

i think the early critics oversold their reactions to this. I will rank this just below doctor strange in my MCU movie rankings. I also didn't like how ghost was portrayed. Ghost is such an awesome baddie in ironman comics......but this movie literally made her as anti-hero at worst. And why is ben foster in this move when he does not "Goliath"......

Anyway...i still enjoyed this movie. As funny as thor ragnork but not as good.
 
While this is true, you've gotta take into consideration the character status with the general audiences too. Whereas Iron Man & Thor & Cap were hardly the Marvel brand's Spider-Man/Hulk/X-Men huge known properties before the MCU, they were hands down the biggest characters/properties the company owned at the time.

Joe & Jane average had no friggin' clue who Black Widow was pre-2010, and honestly even then didn't pay much attention to her until Avengers. No different to Hawkeye really, if either of those characters got a solo it was always going to happen further down the line once the Big Four were all covered.

Agreed on Scarlett being a bigger name than the Evans or Hemsworths of the world, but she's...playing Black Widow. That's not a 1-to-1 equivalent with Wonder Woman who's in the public consciousness and the character itself is a bigger deal.

Also, it'd be pretty difficult to criticize Marvel now for being light on the female stuff. Strong female characters were all over the first Ant-Man, Black Panther, along with Ragnarok & Infinity War. Hope's front-and-center in this movie, and we've got a big Carol film coming.

I want a Widow movie too, and preferably I'd have wanted it before all the space-stuff escalation, it'd fit better. But there's definite logic behind leaving her until later, you can bet your ass if she had Thor or Hulk's position among the "big main Avengers" pre-movies she'd have had a Phase 1 flick.

Don’t bother, they’re the most consistently toxic poster on these boards.
 
Stuff I found on Reddit

The Ghost is Ava Foster, Bill Foster’s daughter. Foster and Hank Pym discovered the Quantum Realm together while working for S.H.I.E.L.D., but Pym refused to continue their experiments after Janet Van Dyne disappeared. Foster’s attempts resulted in the death of his wife and Ava being trapped between both realities, allowing her to phase through solid matter, but also keeping her in a state of constant pain. Foster hires Sonny Burch and his men to steal Pym’s mobile headquarters so he can venture into the Quantum Realm, which he believes is the key to controlling time and space, but Ava intervenes, hellbent on destroying their research, which she blames for her mother’s death and her condition.

Foster suits up as Goliath to fight Ant-Man and The Wasp when they discover he is Burch’s employer and attempt to stop him from venturing into the Quantum Realm. Foster nearly defeats them before Ava kills him and then chases Ant-Man and the Wasp into Quantum Realm, where they fight. Janet intervenes, and Ava's containment suit ends up being damaged, causing her to vanish into the very fabric of reality. Ant-Man and The Wasp manage to rescue Janet before the portal collapses, but once they are reunited with Pym in the normal world, Hope and Pym vanish due to Thanos’ attack, leaving Scott and Janet behind.

amazing how much they got wrong...
 

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