Anyone else feel ZS isnt the man for the job?

[Steelsheen]

where are you guys getting the idea tha Veidt's gonna die?

 

[Shifty]

anmd thats the crux. Greengrass is probably a better diredtor that ZS. But his plan was to set the story now, to make it contemporary, war on terror instead of cold war and that guff, was it not.

Its actually impossible to say who the best director for something would be, but we do know that there are certain directors we can say wouldnt be a good choice (ie Mr Ratner, who admits he doesnt like scenes that could be considered dialogue heavy)

I think Chris Nolan would be interesting, but I also thing that cos BB was a good movie, there is a fanboy instinct to say "Chris Nolan" to almost any property that is comic based.
Maybe someone like Fincher would be an interesting choice, and Im sure the bleakness of the whole thing would appeal to him.

But sometimes, the best choice is the completely left field one, the one no expects.
The problem is that even mid budgeted movies are now 60-70 million, and thats a huge investment. Studios are less and less likely to take a risk, and thats why the same names always crop up.

Look at Harry Potter; Alfonso Cuarón, Mike Newell and David Yates. Are these the names anyone was expecting to direct any of the films?

 

[Compi716]

where are you guys getting the idea tha Veidt's gonna die?

Hayter's and Tse's scripts. He dies in both.

 

[Punch]

Must be an alien invasion.
The idea is to shock the world into coming together to act as one. A space laser is a problem that can easily be dealt with.

Space laser kills million-Find the laser and destroy it.

Gigantic telepathic alien squid kills millions- WTF do we do now?

The set up for the alien scenario would not take long. Just mention throughout the film that there are various writers and artists missing. At the end no matter what the plot turns out to be Adrian has to explain it anyway so there's no time "wasted"


Adrian must live. To take away the moral ambiguity of the end is to castrate the whole story.

 

[WalterKovacs]

Must be an alien invasion.
The idea is to shock the world into coming together to act as one. A space laser is a problem that can easily be dealt with.

Space laser kills million-Find the laser and destroy it.

Gigantic telepathic alien squid kills millions- WTF do we do now?

The set up for the alien scenario would not take long. Just mention throughout the film that there are various writers and artists missing. At the end no matter what the plot turns out to be Adrian has to explain it anyway so there's no time "wasted"


Adrian must live. To take away the moral ambiguity of the end is to castrate the whole story.

that absence if moral ambiguity is what killed v for vendetta. in the graphic novel it was for the reader to decide wether v was a hero or terrorist, and in the movie, it was a pretty stright ahead left-biased piece of propaganda supporting the wachowski's beleifs. i mean, im not republican but im also not a democrat. i think to tell the audience what is morally right or wrong (on matters of something debatable) is generally rude and disrespectful.

 

[Johnichi Chiba]

that absence if moral ambiguity is what killed v for vendetta. in the graphic novel it was for the reader to decide wether v was a hero or terrorist, and in the movie, it was a pretty stright ahead left-biased piece of propaganda supporting the wachowski's beleifs. i mean, im not republican but im also not a democrat. i think to tell the audience what is morally right or wrong (on matters of something debatable) is generally rude and disrespectful.

I honestly feel that Zack Snyder gets the moral ambiguity aspect to the end of Watchmen. The only reason he'd kill off Adrian is to make the movie a run-of-the-mill Hollywood hero story, and if he wanted to do that, he would've been ****ing up a lot more than just that aspect of the story. Zack seems like he has a pretty reasonable understanding of the story. I'm just really hoping he gets this (among many other things) right.

 

[logansoldcigar]

Look at Harry Potter; Alfonso Cuarón, Mike Newell and David Yates. Are these the names anyone was expecting to direct any of the films?

absolutley not, especially David Yates: but Im not sure harry Potter is the best example to use, simply because the first two movies (directed by the much safer choice, Chris Columbus) made so much money that the series would never have made a loss, even if they had insisted on the next 5 films having 50% of the ticket price. Lets face it, after the first two were reasonable movies, despite the charismafree and wooden lead, the rest of the series was guaranteed making huge amounts of money.

at the end of the day, Im pleased to see someone like David yates getting a shot with harry Potter tho: you cant always imagine studios taking that kind of a chance.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

While I agree with Katsuro, that giant psychic aliens may be a little hard for an audience to swallow and that all in all it doesn't offer anything a laser or some other method doesn't (aside from visuals), the ending must stay intact. Watchmen is Watchmen. It's self contained, and needs to stay as true to the original as humanly possible. It's one of the few stories that really has stayed on a shrine, untouched for years and there is good cause for that.

 

[Sun_Down]

Must be an alien invasion.
The idea is to shock the world into coming together to act as one. A space laser is a problem that can easily be dealt with.

Space laser kills million-Find the laser and destroy it.

Gigantic telepathic alien squid kills millions- WTF do we do now?

The set up for the alien scenario would not take long. Just mention throughout the film that there are various writers and artists missing. At the end no matter what the plot turns out to be Adrian has to explain it anyway so there's no time "wasted"


Adrian must live. To take away the moral ambiguity of the end is to castrate the whole story.

Adrian does have to live, that much is for sure. But I think the laser can work just as well in terms of bringing the world together. Where did it come from? Who launched it? Will it happen again? Those questions will scare the crap out of the world enough to foster peace. If they're actually dealing with some sort of alien threat, as they would have to assume, finding and destroying a giant space laser probably wouldn't seem like an easy task.

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

The space laser and the cheesy black boxes are gone from the movie.

 

[Agentsands77]

Sure, the black boxes are gone, but if the Tse script is any indication (and I heard that the script is pretty much the same now, just with a rewrite to get it back to 1985), plenty of not-so-good stuff is now in place.
We have unnecessary action sequences, crappy dialogue, an ending that uses Dr. Manhattan as the threat, the death of Adrian Veidt...

Hayter's script wasn't perfect. I didn't like the space laser, either. But on the whole, it was pretty much a masterpiece of adaptation. Needed some tweaks, sure, but only a very slight rewrite. Tse's draft is a huge step down.

That said, Snyder is supposedly doing another rewrite on the Watchmen script (as pointed to in the AICN interview from Comic Con), taking even more from the graphic novel. So maybe we'll end up with something more faithful than Tse's draft felt. :::shrugs:::

 

[Agentsands77]

anmd thats the crux. Greengrass is probably a better diredtor that ZS. But his plan was to set the story now, to make it contemporary, war on terror instead of cold war and that guff, was it not.

Sure, but looking at the David Hayter script, it worked, even if I would prefer the 1985 setting.

The best thing about Greengrass' would-be adaptation was the visual reinvention the film was going to undergo. Greengrass was going for a hyper-real look, and I'm sure it would have been fantastic.

 

[Steelsheen]

Hayter's and Tse's scripts. He dies in both.

thanks for answering that man, i've only reached less than halfway through on Hayter's script.

 

[BatJeff7786]

While I agree with Katsuro, that giant psychic aliens may be a little hard for an audience to swallow and that all in all it doesn't offer anything a laser or some other method doesn't (aside from visuals), the ending must stay intact.

It will be hard for the audience to believe the giant alien, but wasn't that kind of Veidt's point in doing it in the first place? None of the characters in the story could believe it either. It had to take something so unbelievable and outrageous and tragic to unite the world.

 

[Johnichi Chiba]

After thinking about it, its gotta be an Alien, or at least something immediately recognizable as alien. It can't be Doc Manhattan because he is America's super-hero. If he attacks the world, everybody else will blame America. If any one of the countries suspect some other world power then it's all out war which would lead to mutually assured destruction. Having something very obviously not from this world destroy New York would shut everyone up, but if there is a slight hint that the attack could be traced back to either the US or the Soviet Union then Veidt's plan fails.

 

[WalterKovacs]

I watched dogma today and saw all the influence of watchmen, because i know kevin smith is a huge watchmen fan, when it hit me that he would do a fantastic watchmen.

 

[RDK]

I watched dogma today and saw all the influence of watchmen, because i know kevin smith is a huge watchmen fan, when it hit me that he would do a fantastic watchmen.

You've got to be kidding. He's an alright writer, but Kev is one of the worst directors on the planet.

 

[Lobster Charlie]

You've got to be kidding. He's an alright writer, but Kev is one of the worst directors on the planet.

Well...not quite the worst, but I'd say there's nothing particularly remarkable about his directing.

 

[RDK]

That's true; there is Brett Ratner. t:

 

[Cinemaman]

And, Joel Schumacher

 

[ToddIsDead]

And, Joel Schumacher

The Lost Boys, A Time to Kill, Falling Down...

Need I go on?

 

[Compi716]

And, Joel Schumacher

No, he's just a bad comic book adaptation director, who's partial towards nipples.

 

[WalterKovacs]

You've got to be kidding. He's an alright writer, but Kev is one of the worst directors on the planet.

how so?

 

[Sandman138]

He sucks at directing actors, he can't do anything other than over the top crude comedy, he has no sense of visual storytelling, and as a director he's generic to the point of absolute mediocrity.

 

[logansoldcigar]

Sure, but looking at the David Hayter script, it worked, even if I would prefer the 1985 setting.

The best thing about Greengrass' would-be adaptation was the visual reinvention the film was going to undergo. Greengrass was going for a hyper-real look, and I'm sure it would have been fantastic.

and hayters script still carried what most seem to be accepting as the biggest flaw: Veidt's fate.

still, its cant be anyworse than the ending to Hamm's. I read that. thats why I dont make an effort to find and read scripts