Anyone losing respect for Iron Man?

[LouFerignoDemon]

He made Spiderman become his ***** boy. Yeah i lost respect for ironman, more directly tony stark. We need to get someone who aint drunk. Captain america on the other hand hasnt been anyones ***** for the last 20 years.

I've actually been waiting for someone to make the mandatory drunk Tony reference.

Shouldn't Iron Man be on the side of anti-registration considering that how far he has gone to protect his secret identity.

It would make sense. Maybe he's just tired of the hassle that covering up his identity again made since nearly nobody believed it in the villan world.

 

[rjb182]

I'm actually losing more respect for Cap than for Iron Man.

I mean, don't get me wrong, Cap is tough and cool and all, but look at some of what he says (or thinks to himself) in the first couple of pages of New Avengers #21. He seems to have a fairly low opinion of the average American-- which may or may not be justified, but he's packaging up that distrust with a lot of vague drumbeating about personal freedoms and calling that a political standpoint.

Iron Man is a jerk sometimes-- he's morally ambiguous, and I've always liked him for that. But in this case, too, I really think he's right. In my opinion, heroes aren't losing anything but the right to play vigilante without taking responsibility-- a right they never should have had in the first place. At least Tony's stopped and rethought his position (or at least taken note of which way the wind's blowing) and is willing to consider something besides the way it's always been done.

Believe it or not, I respect him for that.

 

[Tropico]

I am. Everytime I read ANY Marvel comic nowadays, I see him leading the charge about this registration act and It just...I just don't like it. I know they want readers to take a side and I know many of us kind of have but what worries me is what happens AFTER Civil WAr.

When Civil War is over, will any of you who were against registration still respect Iron Man? I don't know if I can. To me, he's an extremist now and almost an villain.

I haven't lost any respect for him. I like him less, but that doesn't influence respect. He's a man who's standing his ground on what he believes and is doing everything he can to defend his side. That's worthy of respect even if you're against it and are goint to oppose it. The one that I'm respecting less is Reed. I don't know why, but there's something about the way that he's acting that's like nails on a chalkboard to me.

For those who agree with Iron Man, how will you feel about Cap? Do you think his actions are now unredeemable in your eyes?

The worst part about it is when all is said and done, at some point, Cap and Iron Man will be Avengers again and Marvel will act like Civil War never happened but...can we really forget?

That's really up to the writer who's doing the book. How many times have we seen Hank get another lecture about the spousal abuse when it was supposedly water under the bridge? It all depends on if the writer wants to have them understand each other, if he wants them to have a lil' tension of he wants them to outright hate each other.

 

[Darthphere]

I'm actually losing more respect for Cap than for Iron Man.

I mean, don't get me wrong, Cap is tough and cool and all, but look at some of what he says (or thinks to himself) in the first couple of pages of New Avengers #21. He seems to have a fairly low opinion of the average American-- which may or may not be justified, but he's packaging up that distrust with a lot of vague drumbeating about personal freedoms and calling that a political standpoint.

Iron Man is a jerk sometimes-- he's morally ambiguous, and I've always liked him for that. But in this case, too, I really think he's right. In my opinion, heroes aren't losing anything but the right to play vigilante without taking responsibility-- a right they never should have had in the first place. At least Tony's stopped and rethought his position (or at least taken note of which way the wind's blowing) and is willing to consider something besides the way it's always been done.

Believe it or not, I respect him for that.

The bolded part is the problem right there.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

Yes, for you it's a problem, but not all comic book readers handicap themselves by not knowing all the details simply because they dislike a certain title.

 

[Darthphere]

Yes, for you it's a problem, but not all comic book readers handicap themselves by not knowing all the details simply because they dislike a certain title.

Im sorry but if Bendis wrote him like that hes clearly doesnt know **** about Captain AMerica, considering this is the same Cap over in Brubaker's title that says how much he respects the freakin' french for what they did with the resistance in WWII.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Im sorry but if Bendis wrote him like that hes clearly doesnt know **** about Captain AMerica, considering this is the same Cap over in Brubaker's title that says how much he respects the freakin' french for what they did with the resistance in WWII.

That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Ignoring it doesn't make it go away.

 

[Darthphere]

That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Ignoring it doesn't make it go away.

Youre right, but just because it happened doesnt make it right.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Youre right, but just because it happened doesnt make it right.

Agreed. But unfortunately, we still have to acknowledge it.

 

[Darthphere]

Agreed. But unfortunately, we still have to acknowledge it.

Not really. COnsidering, its just a tie-in and not the actual event itself. For all we know Cap is written completely different by Millar in Civil War and by Brubaker in his own title when the Cap tie-in begins. It always happens in these events.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Not really. COnsidering, its just a tie-in and not the actual event itself. For all we know Cap is written completely different by Millar in Civil War and by Brubaker in his own title when the Cap tie-in begins. It always happens in these events.

If it affects the larger story. Like the events in New X-Men, where it SHOULD be brought up since the SHRA is directly attacking events such as this, it should be acknowledged.

I agree that the characterization probably shouldn't be held too seriously from his own title. Since writers write different characters differently.

 

[Darthphere]

From what was said in Rjb' post it seems Bendis is channeling Ultimate Cap, and thats a big mistake IMO.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

From what was said in Rjb' post it seems Bendis is channeling Ultimate Cap, and thats a big mistake IMO.

Seeing how UCap and 616Cap are usually portrayed as far different from one another. Totally agreed.

 

[Slim31]

He's a drunk, a backstabber and the biggest ***hole in the MU. Has the potential to be a great villian except Doom would take it kind of personal(armor and all) still I hate his guts.

 

[Xofenroht]

I've never had much respect for Iron Man to begin with. Although I was never really interested in Avengers, I knew enough about who was who and I knew who I didn't like...Iron Man being one of them. I've ALWAYS liked Cap when it came down to it and I can see myself siding with him if I existed within the Marvel Universe.
As far as Spider-Man goes, Aunt May was the one who convinced him to go along with it. Peter actually thought about running and was prepared to, until May told him why he should support it. I feel like he's doing this moreover because he wants to make May proud than Tony. He WON'T fight Cap and everyone here knows that.
Besides, Frontline offered a nice glimpse into Civil War. If Iron Man is going to be Caesar, then the proverbial "Ides of March" must happen eventually. This means someone close to him will turn on him...Jarvis, Peter, Reed, etc. Bruce Banner will be back soon and Thor is already here.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

He's a drunk, a backstabber and the biggest ***hole in the MU. Has the potential to be a great villian except Doom would take it kind of personal(armor and all) still I hate his guts.

Woo! More drunk Tony stabs!

 

[Darthphere]

Woo! More drunk Tony stabs!

There will be more.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

^Of course. Nobody will ever let him live it down, though it's been quite a few years since they've had a drunk Tony story that I've been aware of.

 

[Dread]

I was never a big fan of Iron Man to begin with (although I did watch his cartoon show in the 90's, and the second season of that show remains one of Marvel's most underrated cartoons), and while I can agree that his acts during CW make him hard to root for, I do understand that he's hardly spit-shiney and has gray areas. Anyone remember "Armor Wars"? He went out on a vigilante campaign against anyone who "stole" his Iron Man specs (or whom he suspected of doing so), regardless of whether they were criminals or superheroes or Vault guards (in fact, his attack on Vault guardsmen actually led to a jailbreak, and he had to TKO Steve "Captain" Rogers to do it, too). Then there's his stance in Kree/Skrull war (pulling rank as "the only founding Avenger here" to justify icing the Supreme Intelligence), and various meddlings in THE CROSSING (which have thankfully been undone after "Heroes Return" in the late 90's). Before the Avengers learned his identity, Iron Man was seen at times as a "mercenary" as he was publically known as "Tony Stark's paid bodyguard". And let's not forget dating Wasp regardless of Hank Pym's feelings, and with his Iron Man secret with him (at the time, she didn't know he was her teammate, Iron Man).

So, Iron Man's had plenty of past moments of "grayness". His stance in CW is just the most extreme one that a modern reader has seen in about 8 years or so. He is a superhero but he is also one who sees himself more of a "loner" at times and is willing to do some manipulative things to get his way. This has happened many times in the past and it still true now.

If Marvel wanted an easy way out after CW, and we know how Marvel loves that option, they could always just blame it on his "new powers clouding his judgement". Or, conversely, Stark could draw blame to that to draw attention away from his ill course of action. In a universe where Wolverine can go, "oh, yeah, I was mind-controlled, so no hard feelin's for trying to kill the President or murdering Hornet or whatever, bub", then Stark blaming his power-boosts for his ill behavior to get away clean could be a winnable strategy.

And, well, comic fans can have short memories once a good creative team comes along.

 

[Slim31]

Since I clearly don't collect Ironman comics, what new power levels are ya talking about? in the government? new suit? or something else?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Extremis formula. And the only other person to have the Extremis used on him granted large super strength (Picked up and threw a car like it was nothing, with one hand crushed Iron Man's gauntlet) Vast amounts of durability (Was able to take a serious beating from Iron Man, explosions, and the like.) And quick "super healing" Where his face was ripped up and such, and in two frames, it was fixed. And he breathed fire.


And the new Tony has already shown his brain power has more than doubled as well. So his power is undefined for the most part. But since the Extremis seemed to be a retrovirus, it would seem that Tony should have similar abilities.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

The character Iron Man has done nothing wrong,its the people who are writing him,depicting him.

 

[Darthkush]

Shouldn't Iron Man be on the side of anti-registration considering that how far he has gone to protect his secret identity.

That would make more sense but alas, he isn't.

Someone mentioned having less respect for Reed Richards now than Iron Man due to him agreeing with the registration act. I think Reed's perspective is even more ridiculous than Iron man's in a way. Are we to believe this is the same Reed Richards who less than 2 year ago, invaded Latveria and took it over and was basically like,"f**k America and what they think. I'm Mr. Fantastic and I know what's good for the world"? Granted, Reed had half a face at the time and severe emotional issues BUT I still think that's more in line with who Reed is than this sheep he is now.

I think Thing and Sue are more in character on this issue. Thing is middle of the road and everything he says about it actually makes sense. Sue is left wing but it feels more like Sue. Reed, if anything, seems more middle of the road to me. Him being right seems...out of character.

 

[Darthphere]

The character Iron Man has done nothing wrong,its the people who are writing him,depicting him.

Really, think about what you just wrote.

 

[onceasaint]

Somebody should have Jeff Goldblum take out Iron Man and his damn virus.