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maybe for the most part but I wanted to correct your statement that it never sticks when there are occasions when it does. One thing about Marvel now (no pun intended) is that they are changing and have no problem having 2 heroes around with the same codename. In recent times we've had/have 2 Captain Americas, 2 Hawkeyes, 2 Cyclops, 2 Icemans, 2 Beasts, 2 Angels, 2 Spider-Man. Theres no guarantee that when Tony reclaims the IM name, that Riri will necesarily relinquish it
Exactly. I don't know this girl, since I'm not a huge Iron Man fan I hadn't been following the series. But she sounds like a good character. Unfortunately, there's a very loud group of fans, many who don't read comics anyway, who pop up to whine about anytime their "beloved characters" are affected in a diverse way. I like to think that most of them are just close minded and not racist, but I've had enough experiences to be a bit cynical about it. Because there are a lot of people who still maintain that those three you listed are "no good PC crap" despite any actual evidence otherwise. (And in many cases complete ignorance on the actual quality to begin with)
I still don't care for the Sam-as-Cap thing, but that was just because of it's proximity to the still fairly recent Bucky-as-Cap story
And Rey from Star Wars isn't a "legacy" character, so I don't get how that fits the convo
I wouldn't be quick to assume Marvel is changing. Spider-Man and Hawkeye are the only ones that come to mind, and even then they're not complete legacy characters since they didn't fully take over. Sam Wilson's Cap is gone, which is part of my point (ironic since that one made the most sense IMO). As for the X-Men, it's not so much a legacy thing as it is a revival of the younger generation, since they brought their past versions to the present.
she may or may not be a legacy character but she doesnt take over any mantle, so its not quite the same thing. If Riri debuted as Iron Girl, there would be less backlash for example. Its taking over the mantle as the Iron Man that is the issue.Rey is absolutely a legacy character given the whole film was about legacy. Her using Luke's lightsaber proved it, and it will be even more true if she's the daughter of someone from the OT.
is that something new? Because i recall when someone at Marvel did an interview about the new Captain America series, that Sam would continue on as Cap alongside Steve. That was like 2 months ago
I wasn't aware of that. I doubt he'll stick around for long though (much like Dick Grayson as Batman).
I haven't read Iron Man since Matt Fraction ended his run, and it looks like I'll continue to not buy any comics.
This is disgusting and pathetic on Marvel's part. This is nothing more than a gimmick that hopefully backfires on them.
The only good that's coming out of this is the negative backlash from everyone. And I'm glad Marvel writers don't get to give their input in Marvel Studio movies anymore.
Well, in my opinion, why couldn't they just create a new character that doesn't have to take the mantle of an established character, because its easier to sell and Market? And if its not someone completely new, its some who have been around for years or decades taking the name of Captain America, Wolverine, Star Lord, Ms. Marvel to name a few. It just feels lazy to me.
Riri is a new character though
The funny thing about Legacy characters, too, is that, Marvel loves to talk about how their characters are more relatable than DC's because its about the character under the mask and not their powers that are important. They always say "it's about Peter Parker, not Spider-Man..." and the like.
So when a legacy comes along, it's tough to care about them, because I'm not a Captain America fan, I'm a Steve Rogers Fan. I'm not a Wolverine Fan, I'm a Logan fan. So Marvel, by making the human characters as relatable as they have, make it tough to care about the new person with a hammer and lightning powers, or the new person in a shiny suit of armor. I don't care about powers or costumes, I care about the characters themselves.
My first post is a copy.The above pretty much sums it up for me. Well put.
I have been reading comics for close to 40 years until here recently. And have been turned off by the wholesale wipe out of the characters I grew up with. I blame Disney. Create your new characters without high jacking the established ones.
Did you guys read any of those comics before dumping them?
I have been reading comics for close to 40 years until here recently. And have been turned off by the wholesale wipe out of the characters I grew up with. I blame Disney. Create your new characters without high jacking the established ones.
This ultra PC direction
Here is the thing. I welcome new heroes and to me that is how you diversify Marvel. They are admirably trying to do it and what do they do? Kill off Rhodey now and Bill Foster the first Civil War. For the older crowd Tony Stark is Iron Man. Steve Rogers is Cap. They have done it too many times for me to even care. I am glad they are diversifying (Silk, new Wasp, etc) but that is the way to do it
What's the difference between the new Wasp and the new Iron Man?