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The New Iron Man is a Woman!

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maybe for the most part but I wanted to correct your statement that it never sticks when there are occasions when it does. One thing about Marvel now (no pun intended) is that they are changing and have no problem having 2 heroes around with the same codename. In recent times we've had/have 2 Captain Americas, 2 Hawkeyes, 2 Cyclops, 2 Icemans, 2 Beasts, 2 Angels, 2 Spider-Man. Theres no guarantee that when Tony reclaims the IM name, that Riri will necesarily relinquish it

I wouldn't be quick to assume Marvel is changing. Spider-Man and Hawkeye are the only ones that come to mind, and even then they're not complete legacy characters since they didn't fully take over. Sam Wilson's Cap is gone, which is part of my point (ironic since that one made the most sense IMO). As for the X-Men, it's not so much a legacy thing as it is a revival of the younger generation, since they brought their past versions to the present.

Exactly. I don't know this girl, since I'm not a huge Iron Man fan I hadn't been following the series. But she sounds like a good character. Unfortunately, there's a very loud group of fans, many who don't read comics anyway, who pop up to whine about anytime their "beloved characters" are affected in a diverse way. I like to think that most of them are just close minded and not racist, but I've had enough experiences to be a bit cynical about it. Because there are a lot of people who still maintain that those three you listed are "no good PC crap" despite any actual evidence otherwise. (And in many cases complete ignorance on the actual quality to begin with)

Actually, I was agreeing with Iron_Stark that this sounds more like a marketing gimmick than a Kamala Khan situation. For several reasons:

1. It's redundant when you have Rhodey and Pepper.
2. She comes out of nowhere only to be so much better at being Iron Man than Tony was (according to this article, not me), which shows they're going for the "bigger and badder" effect.

I still don't care for the Sam-as-Cap thing, but that was just because of it's proximity to the still fairly recent Bucky-as-Cap story
And Rey from Star Wars isn't a "legacy" character, so I don't get how that fits the convo

Sam-as-Cap made perfect sense IMO given their history. I would've actually had Sam be the new Cap instead of Bucky back in '07. I hear many at Marvel were thinking the same thing, but the head writer at the time preferred Bucky.

Rey is absolutely a legacy character given the whole film was about legacy. Her using Luke's lightsaber proved it, and it will be even more true if she's the daughter of someone from the OT.
 
I wouldn't be quick to assume Marvel is changing. Spider-Man and Hawkeye are the only ones that come to mind, and even then they're not complete legacy characters since they didn't fully take over. Sam Wilson's Cap is gone, which is part of my point (ironic since that one made the most sense IMO). As for the X-Men, it's not so much a legacy thing as it is a revival of the younger generation, since they brought their past versions to the present.

is that something new? Because i recall when someone at Marvel did an interview about the new Captain America series, that Sam would continue on as Cap alongside Steve. That was like 2 months ago

Rey is absolutely a legacy character given the whole film was about legacy. Her using Luke's lightsaber proved it, and it will be even more true if she's the daughter of someone from the OT.
she may or may not be a legacy character but she doesnt take over any mantle, so its not quite the same thing. If Riri debuted as Iron Girl, there would be less backlash for example. Its taking over the mantle as the Iron Man that is the issue.
 
is that something new? Because i recall when someone at Marvel did an interview about the new Captain America series, that Sam would continue on as Cap alongside Steve. That was like 2 months ago

I wasn't aware of that. I doubt he'll stick around for long though (much like Dick Grayson as Batman).
 
I wasn't aware of that. I doubt he'll stick around for long though (much like Dick Grayson as Batman).

Oh okay. I thought something had happened in Civil War

In related news, we can add Thor to the list because they just announced that Odinson will go back to his original name of Thor and will exist alongside the current female Thor. Another example of two characters simultaneously using the same (code)name/mantle
 
I haven't read Iron Man since Matt Fraction ended his run, and it looks like I'll continue to not buy any comics.

This is disgusting and pathetic on Marvel's part. This is nothing more than a gimmick that hopefully backfires on them.

The only good that's coming out of this is the negative backlash from everyone. And I'm glad Marvel writers don't get to give their input in Marvel Studio movies anymore.

Yeah, I don't know what's going on, but I'm pretty sure Jane-Thor just went toe to toe with Odin.
 
Iron Man comics have been terrible since 2013, just like his movies, so I don't really care for this pointless retcon. This is no worse than turning a comic book Tony Stark into a shallow version of Downey Jr., or making him some kind of a space baby that was engineered to be a genius. Bandis's recent run is such a piss-poor stuff. Bandis said that Iron Man 3 was a huge inspiration for these recent comics... Now it explains everything.
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Shrug, there's literally no reason to be mad about this. Thor was spacehorse once. If the story is good, great. Jane Foster's Thor is consistently one of the best books Marvel publishes. Superior Spider-Man was the best Spider-Man story in years. Fans who quit in a huff over these things are only depriving themselves of great stories told from unique veiwpoints. God forbid we have some variety in our comics from time to time.

Those who complain about "PC Marvel" obviously know nothing about zeitgeist. Life informs art. If you look at what's in the news today (and I mean literally today) and don't think a move like this has artistic merit, I honestly don't know what to tell you.

As for whether Riri should have been a new character... well, she inevitably will be, once her term as Iron Man is over. This just happens to be a far stronger way to launch her, that won't end in a book cancelled due to poor sales.

Too bad it's written by Bendis, though. He's become pretty stale and his Iron Man run has been flat so far.
 
Well, in my opinion, why couldn't they just create a new character that doesn't have to take the mantle of an established character, because its easier to sell and Market? And if its not someone completely new, its some who have been around for years or decades taking the name of Captain America, Wolverine, Star Lord, Ms. Marvel to name a few. It just feels lazy to me.

This. Keep doing the same thing over and over. First it was killing multiple heroes off and then returning. Now it is changing their identities. I would have preferred they just create an Iron Woman book instead. And nothing to do with PC. Steve Rogers is Captain America, Tony Stark is Iron Man (I realize he will ne again) and Odinson is Thor. Glad to see Thor is returning and will be two now. Only replacement I liked was Spiderman. Loved the Superior line
 
Riri is a new character though

"New brand" is what I mean, really. Marketing her as Iron Man is going to be more likely to catch on than marketing her as Lady Iron or whatever, is what I'm saying.
 
The funny thing about Legacy characters, too, is that, Marvel loves to talk about how their characters are more relatable than DC's because its about the character under the mask and not their powers that are important. They always say "it's about Peter Parker, not Spider-Man..." and the like.

So when a legacy comes along, it's tough to care about them, because I'm not a Captain America fan, I'm a Steve Rogers Fan. I'm not a Wolverine Fan, I'm a Logan fan. So Marvel, by making the human characters as relatable as they have, make it tough to care about the new person with a hammer and lightning powers, or the new person in a shiny suit of armor. I don't care about powers or costumes, I care about the characters themselves.
 
The funny thing about Legacy characters, too, is that, Marvel loves to talk about how their characters are more relatable than DC's because its about the character under the mask and not their powers that are important. They always say "it's about Peter Parker, not Spider-Man..." and the like.

So when a legacy comes along, it's tough to care about them, because I'm not a Captain America fan, I'm a Steve Rogers Fan. I'm not a Wolverine Fan, I'm a Logan fan. So Marvel, by making the human characters as relatable as they have, make it tough to care about the new person with a hammer and lightning powers, or the new person in a shiny suit of armor. I don't care about powers or costumes, I care about the characters themselves.

My first post is a copy. :yay: The above pretty much sums it up for me. Well put.

I have been reading comics for close to 40 years until here recently. And have been turned off by the wholesale wipe out of the characters I grew up with. I blame Disney. Create your new characters without high jacking the established ones.
 
My first post is a copy. :yay: The above pretty much sums it up for me. Well put.

I have been reading comics for close to 40 years until here recently. And have been turned off by the wholesale wipe out of the characters I grew up with. I blame Disney. Create your new characters without high jacking the established ones.

This times 1000. No more FF. Cap has been replaced once. Spidey was replaced. Thor is no longer Thor. Bruce Banner is no longer the Hulk. And now Tony isn't Iron Man
 
Did you guys read any of those comics before dumping them?
 
I read them. They are readable. That is about it. Just want them to try something original
 
Dr. Doom as Iron Man and this new teenage girl as Iron Man are things that are original
 
I was speaking of someone other than who created the role now being the hero which this is yet again. Loved Superior Spiderman but the others not at all. How many more times are they going to say gee let's change the identity of a hero. I know it will just be temporary so if it doesn't grab my attention I will just drop it until Tony returns like I did with Thor and the latest new Cap
 
Did you guys read any of those comics before dumping them?

Yep, and still dumped them because they were AWFUL in and of themselves.

I have been reading comics for close to 40 years until here recently. And have been turned off by the wholesale wipe out of the characters I grew up with. I blame Disney. Create your new characters without high jacking the established ones.

Same here but Marvel is fully to blame. Disney has nothing to do with this megaclusterfook. It's Marvel publishing that looked to "connect" with a new audience and decided to flush their long time fan base. They either counted on us to stay no matter what or flat out didn't care about the over 35 demographic. Either way, I'd say it's all blowing up in their face sooner rather than later. NO fan that read books loyally in the 80's and 90's likes the direction of the company overall. It's that simple.

I went from reading around a book a day (around 30 month) to a handful now. This ultra PC direction and moronic re-imagining has done nothing but piss off older fans and made us find other things to spend our income on.
 
Anyone else reminded by the time Spider-Man was a 15 years old girl who got mad at Peter Parker for constantly taking photos of her?

We're talking comics here, all sorts of crap can happen.

Ben Reilly met the Joker after moving through an inter-dimensional portal, and Joker remembered Spider-Man in a different suit, the Spider-Man who went to Gotham City by a car drive.
 
Here is the thing. I welcome new heroes and to me that is how you diversify Marvel. They are admirably trying to do it and what do they do? Kill off Rhodey now and Bill Foster the first Civil War. For the older crowd Tony Stark is Iron Man. Steve Rogers is Cap. They have done it too many times for me to even care. I am glad they are diversifying (Silk, new Wasp, etc) but that is the way to do it
 
good news for me is I am now reading different comics. Dropped Avengers and new avengers (and had the FF robbed from me) and gave Inhumans and Guardians of the Galaxy a try. One replacement book I do like is the new Hulk though I am looking forward to whenever Bruce takes over
 
Here is the thing. I welcome new heroes and to me that is how you diversify Marvel. They are admirably trying to do it and what do they do? Kill off Rhodey now and Bill Foster the first Civil War. For the older crowd Tony Stark is Iron Man. Steve Rogers is Cap. They have done it too many times for me to even care. I am glad they are diversifying (Silk, new Wasp, etc) but that is the way to do it

What's the difference between the new Wasp and the new Iron Man?
 
What's the difference between the new Wasp and the new Iron Man?

I haven't followed the story as much as I used to but isn't the original Wasp still around? If not then nothing. Assuming original Wasp is still around (wiki says she is still in one of the Avengers books) then this is a new character. There is no more Iron Man. Guess it is Iron Girl? Of course there is Doom as Iron Man. I guess for us older folks that have been around just have to accept the Marvel we knew is gone and there is a new one. Simply put I am tired of the now overly done "let's play musical chairs with hero identities" Marvel does just about every year
 
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