Anyone notice all the ridiculous coincidences in SM3?

[Dragon]

The other big one that bothered me was the Bugle having to print a retraction. Jameson mentions getting a picture of Julia Roberts in a thong in SM1, tries to create a headline on a slow news day about food poisoning in SM2, and not to mention him slandering Spider-Man every chance he gets like Spidey and Doc Ock robbing a bank, and Green Goblin and Spider-Man attack Bugle Chief, etc...,etc... In other words, printing lies and not trying to be a very prestigious paper, even when Peter and Robbie say Spider-Man is a hero. Yet in SM3, when Brock photoshops a picture, Jameson says they have to print a retraction and even says 'Sorry Spider-Man." WTF!? Knowing Jameson, he would have ran with it.

The difference in the case of the Spidey 3 retraction is that it can be PROVEN that the photo was a fake, whereas with the Doc Ock bank robbery or Spidey and the Goblin attacking the Bugle it's just Spidey's word against the Bugle and their sources.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Are you forgetting that the occupant of that meteor is a sentient life form? It's very plausible that the symbiote controlled its trajectory and intended to land near living beings, which it needed to conjoin with.

Know how many living beings are in New York?

Yeah, like Peter just happening to be bitten by a Spider. Osborn just happening to need to test his performance enhancers and Ock just happeneing to have an accident leading to his mind conecting to his super powerful tentacles.

Even more ridiculous coincidences, thanks for pointing those out.


Come on guys, let's find more. We're doing good.

 

[Dragon]

Know how many living beings are in New York?

How many of them can lift 10 tons?

Even more ridiculous coincidences, thanks for pointing those out.

No. Not coincidence. Fate.

 

[imdaly]

Have you ever been to New York? Because those trucks are extremely common.

Only one weekend in April 2001, and I must admit at the time I wasn't exactly on the lookout for sand trucks


Are they really that common there??

 

[Dragon]

Only one weekend in April 2001, and I must admit at the time I wasn't exactly on the lookout for sand trucks


Are they really that common there??

There's tons of construction happening in New York. A new building being put up every few blocks in midtown Mahattan. So yes they really are.

 

[Mr. Socko]

How many of them can lift 10 tons?

Well there's Spider-Man, Juggernaut, Sabretooth, The Thing, Colossus, etc. So quite a few people in New York can lift a few tons. Oh and don't forget Magneto and Jean Grey if they use their powers

 

[dodus]

I don't think the truck was full of sand until Sandman got in it.

 

[Dragon]

Well there's Spider-Man, Juggernaut, Sabretooth, The Thing, Colossus, etc. So quite a few people in New York can lift a few tons. Oh and don't forget Magneto and Jean Grey if they use their powers

Funny, but I don't recall those characters being in Spidey 3, or any of the Spidey movies at all. But maybe that's only a coincidence.

 

[Theven]

TheShape, I can definitely see why the number of coincidences bothers people. Some of the ones you pointed out really didn't affect my viewing of the movie, but other points of the story I really felt required better explaining, or less unbelievable events. Here are my thoughts:

- The meteor with the symbiote happens to fall right next to Peter and MJ.

I didn't like meteor origin. I liked TAS's approach, and wish it were something more along of those lines (rescuing Jameson's son from a crashing shuttle which picked up the symbiote on its mission.) On a very related note, I must point out that many people said after the movie, "Why did the goo latch on to Peter, and not anyone else? It could have latched onto some animal, or MJ!" That bothered me, since that one seemed quite easy to explain (it's a living thing, which is looking to bond to something strong.)

- Flint Marko just happens to fall into the atomization bowl and become Sandman.

I think this is along the lines of the original spider bite. It would be difficult to have him become Sandman without some sort of freak accident.

- The man that becomes Sandman just happens to be Uncle Ben's actual killer.

I didn't think that the whole Uncle Ben angle was really necessary. Though this was a pretty big one, it didn't really take away from the movie for me.

-Out of all the people in New York City, the one woman that needed to be saved in the crane disaster was Gwen Stacy, who is Peter's lab partner.

I didn't really understand why Gwen needed to be so many things to Peter. Lab partner, saved during the crane accident, girlfriend(ish) of Peter's rival. Perhaps Peter could have already been in the building with her before the crane goes bezerk, kind of like he was for the bank or fusion experiment scenes in SM2. I find those more believable than this coincidence.

- Eddie Brock just happens to be in the same church as Peter when he is ripping off the symbiote.

Like the Sandman origin, or Spider-Man's, or Ock's for that matter, I think that this one was excusable. However, if the writers had to change either the Sandman or Venom's birth in this movie, I'd choose Venom; Sandman's birth is more predicated on a freak accident.

- Bernard, the butler, decides to reveal the truth about Norman's death to Harry at the perfect time, which allows Harry to go to the construction site to aid Peter.

Of all the coincidences, this was the only one that actually bothered me. While I do understand the argument that many have made that it makes sense in the whole "keeping his father's honor for all these years, and finally revealing it when it really was necessary" light, it just seemed ridiculous.

- Sandman just happens to run into Venom in the streets of New York, and Venom knows Flint Marko's life story (I know there was background here that was deleted from the theatrical release but it still came out like a random coincidence).

This wasn't so much a coincidence as it was just really convenient. They didn't "happen to run" into eachother, they both were scouring the city for eachother. I definitely wish they went with the sandcastle/park exchange, or the way it was done in the video game.

 

[The Kid]

This whole franchise oddly follows the same story pattern of the reeve superman films.

expect spider boy 20+ years from now.

 

[HopeOfTheFuture]

About all the coincidences... euh.. it's a small world after all?

 

[Immortalfire]

The whole freakin series, comics/movies whatever are all "coincidences"

 

[webhead731]

All Spider-Man movies had a lot of these.

 

[matthooper]

Just curious but what kind of a sad loser looks for 'coincidences' they find odd in a film about a kid who gets bitten by a genetically enhanced spider and fights crime in a spandex outfit?

Whoa.

 

[Go Web Go!]

Harry Osborn was known as the "New Goblin" and rode a glider like his father Norman - the "Green Goblin" I mean, come on...what the hell are the odds?

 

[Sloth7d]

Are you forgetting that the occupant of that meteor is a sentient life form? It's very plausible that the symbiote controlled its trajectory and intended to land near living beings, which it needed to conjoin with.



Yeah, like Peter just happening to be bitten by a Spider. Osborn just happening to need to test his performance enhancers and Ock just happeneing to have an accident leading to his mind conecting to his super powerful tentacles.



If you want to dig that deep consider this- Why out of ALL THE CARS in the vicinity the burglar(s) choose Ben's.




Oh, you mean like THE ONE GIRL who nearly falls to her death at the Unity festival happened to be the girl Peter loves?



Yeah, like Ock choosing the one Bank Peter and May were at- And- out of a crowd of dozens, happens to pick May to use as a hostage.



What do you mean "At the perfect time". Bernard overheard Peter's plea for help. He konws Harry helping him is the right thing to do, so he tells Harry something that wil convince him to do it.



See, this is just you looking for something to gripe about, and not even thinking the situation through. VENOM was looking for Sandman. He knew about Sandman from the symbiote's shared memories with Peter, and could easily look up info on Marko's family life.



All of these movies rely on coincidence and contrivance to tell their stories. Even in the comics this was the case. But Stan Lee explained it early- he said these things are FATED to happen in Peter's life.

Dragon wins the topic. People who complain about these coincedinces like they aren't in every other superhero movie are idiots.

 

[rnewbz]

Comic books are all coincidences.
Peter getting bitten by a radioactive spider
THe burgler he failed to stop kills his uncle ben
The green goblin is the father of peter's best friend.

I mean come on, these aren't coincidenes, they're the genre.

 

[Kanon]

Ugh, I hate nitpicking...

- Gwen's father Captain Stacy is the one who informs the Parkers that Sandman was Uncle Ben's actual killer.

It's not uncommon that these kind of news or information to be given to the families by high ranked officers, like, duh, a police captain...

- Out of all the people in New York City, the one woman that needed to be saved in the crane disaster was Gwen Stacy, who is Peter's lab partner.

It's not like she was the only girl he saved in the whole year... Saved a lot of people, and, since saving Gwen was an important event, it was in the picture...

Dude, those kind of coincidences had to happen for the movie to be something interesting... Otherwise, is 2 hours of Spidey saving cats from trees...

 

[lordofthenerds]

Are you kidding me? You guys are really scraping the bottom of the barrel to try and think up things to destroy this movie. This thread is ridiculous.

It's absurd that he just happens to bump into a bell at the very time when he wanted to get the suit off. That's a major coincidence/cop-out, and for me at least, not easy to just shrug off.

As far as Captain Stacy informing the Parker's goes, yeah it isn't a very big coincidence. I just thought I'd list it since it still is one.

 

[dodus]

It's absurd that he just happens to bump into a bell at the very time when he wanted to get the suit off. That's a major coincidence/cop-out, and for me at least, not easy to just shrug off.

If he hadn't bumped into it, and it would have just started ringing on the hour like church bells do, more like what happened in the comics/TAS, and Peter had just "happened" to be there, you guys would just be having one more coincidence fit.

 

[Abaddon]

there are coincidences in lots of films, but some of these were annoying.

 

[batman11]

Batman is also based off several coincidences, like the killer of Bruce Wayne's parents becoming the Joker (I'm not too familiar with the Batman mythos, so I'm just going off what I remember from the 1989 movie) or there being a huge series of caves beneath Wayne Manor, large enough to become the Batcave.

You're right, you're not familiar with the mythos at all, so you probably shouldn't make claims about it without knowing the facts. (I take Bats to heart )

1. Joe Chill murdered Bruce Wayne's parents. It was Burton's idea to make it the Joker. This was a significant change to Batman's origin. Therefore it isn't a Batman coincidence, its a Burton coincidence.

2. Huge caves underneath Wayne Manor isn't a coincidence. He didn't become Batman before finding the caves. Years after his experience in the cave was when he became Batman. The caves were there long before there was a Batman, that isn't a coincidence. Bruce IS Batman cause of the bats in the cave. The caves didn't just come into existence cause Bruce is Batman.

 

[venomscurse2]

It's absurd that he just happens to bump into a bell at the very time when he wanted to get the suit off. That's a major coincidence/cop-out, and for me at least, not easy to just shrug off.

umm I don't know but since he was struggling maybe he I don't know stood up and I forget what it's called but I think tripping!

The only coincidence that has ever bothered me was Doc Ock happenly skipped ten girls and just happened to pick up Aunt May! That was a little obvious.

 

[Showtime]

Did anyone not notice? I don't know how you couldn't, the whole movie was based on coincidences.

 

[shinlyle]

It was just too much. I realize that the origin of Spider-man is essentially a coincidence, but Spider-man 3 took the number of coincidences too far. Here are the ones that I noticed:

- The meteor with the symbiote happens to fall right next to Peter and MJ.
- Flint Marko just happens to fall into the atomization bowl and become Sandman.
- The man that becomes Sandman just happens to be Uncle Ben's actual killer.
- Out of all the people in New York City, the one woman that needed to be saved in the crane disaster was Gwen Stacy, who is Peter's lab partner.
- Eddie Brock just happens to be in the same church as Peter when he is ripping off the symbiote.
- Bernard, the butler, decides to reveal the truth about Norman's death to Harry at the perfect time, which allows Harry to go to the construction site to aid Peter.
- Sandman just happens to run into Venom in the streets of New York, and Venom knows Flint Marko's life story (I know there was background here that was deleted from the theatrical release but it still came out like a random coincidence).


Did anyone else notice all of these? There may have been more I can't think of now, but people I have spoken to about this film (mostly non-Spiderman enthusiasts) mentioned some of these coincidences, like the meteor,Brock in the church, and Bernard, as being weak parts of the story. They all make the story far less believeable, although I know this is generally a fantasy,

What do you guys think of this?
[If this has already been discussed in a thread or something, please close.]

This has all been argued before, and I swear, it gets more ridiculous every time I hear it. The first two movies were laden with coincidences, as was Superman Returns, Batman Begins, and just about every other movie in history.

-Batman's old friend just happens to work at the DA's office when Joe Chill is on trial. Lucious Fox just happens to have a military vehicle and body armor in the building, along with a dozen or so gadgets that Batman ends up using. Jonathan Crane happens to be working for Ras Al Ghul.

-Superman ends up coming back to Earth just as Lex Luthor starts up his first diabolical plan in 5 years. Lois's kid just happens to manifest powers while on a boat full of henchmen. Lois's fiance happens to be the Perry White's son. Superman happens to fall back to Earth and land in Metropolis.

These "coincidental" interactions between the characters are there to drive the plot. Sure, if the symbiote had searched out Eddie Brick instead of it falling on him, it would have been less coincidental, but how many people would b**** about "why did the symbiote go to Brock"...or "why did it happen to pick Brock"? Answer: a whole $*(^load!!

Maybe another completely unknown character could hav ebeen Uncel Ben's real killer...but as much as people have complained about too many characters, I'm sure this would have driven them daffy!

Sorry...complaining about "coincidences" is just complaining for complaining's sake...nothing more.