Anyone notice all the ridiculous coincidences in SM3?

[Cat_Woman108]

Flint Marko becoming "Sandman" isn't so much a coincidence as I think the chemical particle sand testing facility was.

Come on now...you're trying to tell me that some chemical testing plant facility didn't even want to check and see what made the change in weight in the sand lab?? Are you trying to tell me that they didn't even have cameras set up to monitor the area to see if anything could go wrong?? If anything, to see what was actually occuring when they started that machine??

I mean...come on! LOL*

But other than that...
Yeah, I noticed a lot of coincidences in Spider-Man 3. Some of them bothered me, but most didn't. Overall, I think the director tried to cram waaay too many storylines into one movie, and when this usually happens...you have to connect the stories somehow. Thus all the "coincidences". :-/

 

[Sloth7d]

Y'know, I'm not going to put Benard the butler down as a coincedence anymore. Its still a plot hole, but it can be explained. My explanation is, he was lying. Benard saw that Harry was about to let two of his best friends die and thus decided to use a few untruths to keep him from making the biggest mistake of his life. You know how we know he was lying? Well first off, even if he sawthat Norman had been impaled by his own glider he's no forensics expert. Thus I don't he could tell the difference between how the wound would look if he'd been implaled due to it flying into him or if Spider-man picked it up and just shoved it into him(which should be considered a possibilty from his perspective). Also, even if he was suddenly a suddenly a forensics expert, he would undoubtedly know that cleaning Normans wounds could destroy evidence needed to be found by the real forensic experts. Hell, even average citizens know this. You don't tamper with the body before the police show up. I doubt Benard is trully as stupid as to do so here. He could have accidentally washed away traces of web fluid that could link Spider-man to the crime, which I'm sure Harry told him Spider-man did it being the first to discover the body. So, in conclusion its my belief that Benard the butler lied to Harry so he would save his friends. Keep in mind, this is not a fact. Though this is a plausible explanation.

 

[nintendo nerd]

It was just too much. I realize that the origin of Spider-man is essentially a coincidence, but Spider-man 3 took the number of coincidences too far. Here are the ones that I noticed:

- The meteor with the symbiote happens to fall right next to Peter and MJ.
- Flint Marko just happens to fall into the atomization bowl and become Sandman.
- The man that becomes Sandman just happens to be Uncle Ben's actual killer.
- Out of all the people in New York City, the one woman that needed to be saved in the crane disaster was Gwen Stacy, who is Peter's lab partner.
- Eddie Brock just happens to be in the same church as Peter when he is ripping off the symbiote.
- Bernard, the butler, decides to reveal the truth about Norman's death to Harry at the perfect time, which allows Harry to go to the construction site to aid Peter.
- Sandman just happens to run into Venom in the streets of New York, and Venom knows Flint Marko's life story (I know there was background here that was deleted from the theatrical release but it still came out like a random coincidence).


Did anyone else notice all of these? There may have been more I can't think of now, but people I have spoken to about this film (mostly non-Spiderman enthusiasts) mentioned some of these coincidences, like the meteor,Brock in the church, and Bernard, as being weak parts of the story. They all make the story far less believeable, although I know this is generally a fantasy,

What do you guys think of this?
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Yeah, noticed that too. That's why I think SM 1 and SM2 are better than Sm3. There was more logic on the thing going on. Don't get me wrong I liked SM3but some things feel kind of rushed, and that's why I think is getting all this mixed reviews.

 

[sandgoblin]

I agree.

 

[webhead731]

And what about in SP2...

Dock Ock is in the same bank with Ant May and Peter

Dock Ock grabs Ant May of all people in front of the bank

Mary Jane gets engaged with JJJ's son who happens to be Peter's boss

Dock Ock knew where Peter was meating M.J before he kiddnaped her

and that's just of top of my head....it's a comic book movie,this is not Agatha Christie,dont take it too seriosly

There's a couple more but I like that Spider-Man and Ock just HAPPEN to hit the train as it comes by at the last second lol.

These movies are full of them. Who cares.

 

[lordofthenerds]

If he hadn't bumped into it, and it would have just started ringing on the hour like church bells do, more like what happened in the comics/TAS, and Peter had just "happened" to be there, you guys would just be having one more coincidence fit.

Dr. Connors could have told him the symbiote is affected by sound and Peter could have purposely ripped the symbiote off with the bell.

umm I don't know but since he was struggling maybe he I don't know stood up and I forget what it's called but I think tripping!

And out of all places in New York, he's in a bell tower when he trips?

 

[Hobgoblin]

It was just too much. I realize that the origin of Spider-man is essentially a coincidence, but Spider-man 3 took the number of coincidences too far. Here are the ones that I noticed:

- The meteor with the symbiote happens to fall right next to Peter and MJ.
- Flint Marko just happens to fall into the atomization bowl and become Sandman.
- The man that becomes Sandman just happens to be Uncle Ben's actual killer.
- Out of all the people in New York City, the one woman that needed to be saved in the crane disaster was Gwen Stacy, who is Peter's lab partner.
- Eddie Brock just happens to be in the same church as Peter when he is ripping off the symbiote.
- Bernard, the butler, decides to reveal the truth about Norman's death to Harry at the perfect time, which allows Harry to go to the construction site to aid Peter.
- Sandman just happens to run into Venom in the streets of New York, and Venom knows Flint Marko's life story (I know there was background here that was deleted from the theatrical release but it still came out like a random coincidence).


Did anyone else notice all of these? There may have been more I can't think of now, but people I have spoken to about this film (mostly non-Spiderman enthusiasts) mentioned some of these coincidences, like the meteor,Brock in the church, and Bernard, as being weak parts of the story. They all make the story far less believeable, although I know this is generally a fantasy,

What do you guys think of this?
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That, and Eddie just happened to be at the jazz club when Peter and Gwen were walking in. Oh well, lots of movies have forced coincidences.

 

[TwilightPro101]

Just have to have a suspension of disbelief, when it comes down to movies.

 

[webhead731]

That, and Eddie just happened to be at the jazz club when Peter and Gwen were walking in. Oh well, lots of movies have forced coincidences.

In the novel (they didn't explain this too well in the movie) Eddie was a stalker of Gwen.
It's possible he was just following her around, and seeing Peter with her pissed him off.

 

[Blader5489]

^I think it could be kind of inferred from the movie, where Eddie considers his date with Gwen as an "amazing night" (so much that he wanted to marry her) while Gwen brushed it off as just having coffee.

Though I think it would've helped more if they kept in the scene where Eddie goes to Gwen's house.

 

[The Shape]

Just have to have a suspension of disbelief, when it comes down to movies.

Right, and I can accept coincidences in stories. I mean, as I said, Spider-man's own origin, as well as half of his villains', is a coincidence. But in this film there were so many "OH COME ONE" ones. It almost seems like half of them are there just for the easy way out.

Like Sandman's. I know there was no other way then to have him accidently become Sandman. But they should have had him hiding out in the bowl or a special facility overnight, and while he was sleeping the process started. In the movie, it was like, "Woops...I fell into this huge bowl! What's happening? How unfortunate is it for this thing to be starting up just a few seconds after I have fallen into it? Oh, well. I'm stuck."

 

[Kmack]

Yeah and majority of these coincidences involve Venom which makes his whole being in Spider-man 3 feel forced.

 

[webhead731]

Like Sandman's. I know there was no other way then to have him accidently become Sandman. But they should have had him hiding out in the bowl or a special facility overnight, and while he was sleeping the process started. In the movie, it was like, "Woops...I fell into this huge bowl! What's happening? How unfortunate is it for this thing to be starting up just a few seconds after I have fallen into it? Oh, well. I'm stuck."

1. I don't think he would want to take the time to hide out overnight. The cops would easily think of looking in there. In fact, they did. Right after the machine finished up they came and looked. The novel had them looking for longer though.

2. He wouldn't sleep in a crap load of sand. He could easily figure out with the bigass pole things (the things that would spin around) above his head that where he was wasn't safe. He's also on a mission to get his daughter better and healthy. I wouldn't sleep too well knowing that either.


I wish they'd kept the scene in the novel of Sandman going to the doctor at night and shoving him against a computer screen because the doctor needed more money.

 

[The Shape]

1. I don't think he would want to take the time to hide out overnight. The cops would easily think of looking in there. In fact, they did. Right after the machine finished up they came and looked. The novel had them looking for longer though.

2. He wouldn't sleep in a crap load of sand. He could easily figure out with the bigass pole things (the things that would spin around) above his head that where he was wasn't safe. He's also on a mission to get his daughter better and healthy. I wouldn't sleep too well knowing that either.


I wish they'd kept the scene in the novel of Sandman going to the doctor at night and shoving him against a computer screen because the doctor needed more money.

I meant that the entire scene of his origin should have been different, probably set in a different place. I mean, let's say Marko snuck into a secret facility to escape the police and hid in a certain chamber where they wouldn't find him. As the night goes on, Marko falls asleep, and the process begins to happen then or something. That's more similar to his origin in the comics.

 

[chaseter]

Flint wanted to get money for his daughter...then why and how did he get from NYC to a bog out in the middle of nowhere?

 

[Dragon]

I meant that the entire scene of his origin should have been different, probably set in a different place. I mean, let's say Marko snuck into a secret facility to escape the police and hid in a certain chamber where they wouldn't find him. As the night goes on, Marko falls asleep, and the process begins to happen then or something. That's more similar to his origin in the comics.

What you're talking about would require more contrivances. How would he get INSIDE a secret facility? There'd have to be security and locks. Marko entered an outdoor testing ground that warned of the danger. So this wasn't an area they'd likey monitor constantly for intruders. And his falling asleep inside a testing chamber is unbelievable. He'd have to know that such a thing was going to be used, possibly while he slept. The movie origin works better in that respect, as it all happens instantaneously. Marko literally stumbles into the testing area. And the doctors had no reasn to think a HUMAN would be dumb enough to defy the warning signs and enter the area. He can't escape or think.

The one part I was bothered by was the police being too close on his tail for him to get away. they should've shot it to make it more clear as to how he gets away from them.

 

[Dragon]

Flint wanted to get money for his daughter...then why and how did he get from NYC to a bog out in the middle of nowhere?

Dude, do you REALLY need to see a bunch of scenes of Marko hitching rides or stowing away on freight trains or cargo trucks? I mean all of this stuff is so cliche that I can understand Raimi not including them. We've all seen enough movies with this stuff to know how it works.

 

[chaseter]

^Why would he go out in the middle of nowhere, far away from his daughter, far away from any money to save his daughter, and far away from any hope of saving her? I don't need to see him getting there, I need to know why he went there. I think that scene should be before he goes to see his daughter in the city. Reiker's isn't in the heart of the city.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

The one that really annoyed me was when Peter just happened to be watching TV.

That's as pointless a nitpick as most of these.

 

[Iron Man's Dad]

Flint wanted to get money for his daughter...then why and how did he get from NYC to a bog out in the middle of nowhere?

What ya never heard of NJ?

 

[Dragon]

^Why would he go out in the middle of nowhere, far away from his daughter, far away from any money to save his daughter, and far away from any hope of saving her? I don't need to see him getting there, I need to know why he went there. I think that scene should be before he goes to see his daughter in the city. Reiker's isn't in the heart of the city.

To escape the police. He can't do anything for his daughter if he's captured. If he stayed around his daughter, there was also the chance she could get hurt if the cops started firing at him. Not to mention the fact that his wife might turn him in just for spite.

Marko probably figured if he could get away from the cops he could go somewhere and hide out, then figure out a way to get money.

 

[chaseter]

What ya never heard of NJ?

Nobody wants to go to NJ t: He should have gotten nuked on 7 mile island!

 

[chaseter]

To escape the police. He can't do anything for his daughter if he's captured. If he stayed around his daughter, there was also the chance she could get hurt if the cops started firing at him. Not to mention the fact that his wife might turn him in just for spite.

Marko probably figured if he could get away from the cops he could go somewhere and hide out, then figure out a way to get money.

That's a good explanation...I just wish the movie had more explanation like that. I hope and pray we get Raimi's cut becuase I think that extra 20-30 minutes will help Sandman's character as well as Eddie's flesh out a lot better and make the movie better. Just right now, there was too much stuff with too little development, throw in a dash of bad kid cameos, and a wtf from the Butler and you have a b grade movie that should have been an A+.