Age of Ultron AoU's connection to TWS (Spoilers)

[hoy-small-fry]

SPOILERS AHEAD! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED



Does anyone else feel like Age of Ultron was written in a bubble aside from The Winter Soldier? Everything that was built up in that film was rendered inert in moments every time...

Look at it;

1) Fury was dead to the world, yet he's now in charge of the Avengers? He changed his look in TWS, but nope, same old Fury

2) SHIELD is gone, but hey, here's a Helicarrier

3) SHIELD is gone, but hey, here's the staff hanging around from TWS

4) Von Strucker and HYDRA are dealt with in moments. Boy, they were a threat...

5) Black Widow went underground. Not any more!

6) Bucky was given lip service at best, felt really forced

7) The Avengers are assembled, but with no reason as to why/when

8) Agents of SHIELD ignored...

Probably more, but it seems REALLY strange to me that TWS' ramifications were ignored so wholly

 

[Lilbaz]

SPOILERS AHEAD! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED



Does anyone else feel like Age of Ultron was written in a bubble aside from The Winter Soldier? Everything that was built up in that film was rendered inert in moments every time...

Look at it;

1) Fury was dead to the world, yet he's now in charge of the Avengers? He changed his look in TWS, but nope, same old Fury

2) SHIELD is gone, but hey, here's a Helicarrier

3) SHIELD is gone, but hey, here's the staff hanging around from TWS

4) Von Strucker and HYDRA are dealt with in moments. Boy, they were a threat...

5) Black Widow went underground. Not any more!

6) Bucky was given lip service at best, felt really forced

7) The Avengers are assembled, but with no reason as to why/when

8) Agents of SHIELD ignored...

Probably more, but it seems REALLY strange to me that TWS' ramifications were ignored so wholly

Agreed. But. AOS might fill in some of the blanks regarding Fury/Shield.

Black Widow never went under ground, she said you know where to find me (and stormed out of the court room).

As for Strucker and Avengers being assembled. They did say at the beginning they had been taking down his bases looking for the sceptre. This one had the best security of them all so it must be there.

Tony and Steves journey's in their own franchises seem to have been ignored to a certain extent.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Yeah hopefully AoS fills in all that. Would be great if Fury rocks up to remove NuSHIELD and reform it

 

[darthcoolness3]

It was a good idea to ignore Agents of Shield, because there's probably tons of people around the world who didn't watch Agents of Shield and they would be confused if Inhumans teleported in and out and helped with the battle. On Agents of Shield, Coulson is alive and director of Shield, so it will be confusing to the non-watchers of Agents of Shield when Coulson and his team jumps into battle and help.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Not so much Inhumans, but they had SHIELD Helicarriers in it - why weren't Bobbi or May staffing it? Easy crossover, lots of points from fans, and everyone is happy. It's just stubbornness

 

[Lilbaz]

It was a good idea to ignore Agents of Shield, because there's probably tons of people around the world who didn't watch Agents of Shield and they would be confused if Inhumans teleported in and out and helped with the battle.

Not sure why they would. Hopefully it was Gonzalez hellicarrier and we see Mac helping to pilot it next week. We'll see.

Will Shield helping to rescue all them people put them back in the worlds good books? What was the base at the end where Cap and Widow were training new recruits? Was that Shield?

 

[Lilbaz]

Not so much Inhumans, but they had SHIELD Helicarriers in it - why weren't Bobbi or May staffing it? Easy crossover, lots of points from fans, and everyone is happy. It's just stubbornness

Possible spoilers for the TV show? Maybe on the show we see Hill/Fury convincing Gonzales they need their help etc...

 

[Alex Julliao]

Not so much Inhumans, but they had SHIELD Helicarriers in it - why weren't Bobbi or May staffing it? Easy crossover, lots of points from fans, and everyone is happy. It's just stubbornness

Saw the movie yesterday and

Spoiler

yes, Agents of Shield was mentioned. It's a indirect mention, but it's there.

 

[MbJ]

Not so much Inhumans, but they had SHIELD Helicarriers in it - why weren't Bobbi or May staffing it? Easy crossover, lots of points from fans, and everyone is happy. It's just stubbornness

Probably because that then opens a lot of doors they don't want to open. If you have it explicitly onscreen that May and Bobbi are involved with Fury's new Avengers Initiative people are gonna ask why they still aren't involved with it in the TV show or why the Avengers aren't popping up from time to time.

 

[ctsketch]

SPOILERS AHEAD! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED



Does anyone else feel like Age of Ultron was written in a bubble aside from The Winter Soldier? Everything that was built up in that film was rendered inert in moments every time...

Look at it;

1) Fury was dead to the world, yet he's now in charge of the Avengers? He changed his look in TWS, but nope, same old Fury

2) SHIELD is gone, but hey, here's a Helicarrier

3) SHIELD is gone, but hey, here's the staff hanging around from TWS

4) Von Strucker and HYDRA are dealt with in moments. Boy, they were a threat...

5) Black Widow went underground. Not any more!

6) Bucky was given lip service at best, felt really forced

7) The Avengers are assembled, but with no reason as to why/when

8) Agents of SHIELD ignored...

Probably more, but it seems REALLY strange to me that TWS' ramifications were ignored so wholly

1. He's not in charge

3. Obviously not all of shield just died and vanished from the world...as seen from the end of TWS and seen in AoS

5. She never went underground she said "You'll know where to find me"

6. Doesn't in this

7. has nothing to do with TWS

8. AoS is leading up to AoU if you've been following

 

[MbJ]

4) Von Strucker and HYDRA are dealt with in moments. Boy, they were a threat...

Whedon was the one who introduced Strucker in The Winter Soldier to begin with. If you notice, Strucker had no relevance to the overall plot of that movie other than his surprise reveal during the mid-credits scene. So it's not like he took a plot thread the Russo brothers introduced and stamped on it.

And as Agents of SHIELD has show, there's still HYDRA bases and agents around the world. There's nothing stopping them from using more of them in future Captain America movies. Hell, that's probably how they'll introduce Zemo in Civil War.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

It's going to be really interesting how AoS sets up the Strucker attack next week. Kinda hope the week after we learn that the Helicarrier came from them

 

[Demileto]

Whedon was the one who introduced Strucker in The Winter Soldier to begin with. If you notice, Strucker had no relevance to the overall plot of that movie other than his surprise reveal during the mid-credits scene. So it's not like he took a plot thread the Russo brothers introduced and stamped on it.

The problem, of course, is that as far as HYDRA heads go the fans are much more invested in Baron Von Strucker than Alexander Pierce, who bears no resemblance to his 616 counterpart and is more akin to an amalgamation of Aleksander Lukin and Dell Rusk (Red Skull's secretary of defense persona). In that regard, Strucker being discarded like that was a major letdown when they could've kept him alive for either future Captain America movies or Agents of SHIELD.

 

[MbJ]

The problem, of course, is that as far as HYDRA heads go the fans are much more invested in Baron Von Strucker than Alexander Pierce, who bears no resemblance to his 616 counterpart and is more akin to an amalgamation of Aleksander Lukin and Dell Rusk (Red Skull's secretary of defense persona). In that regard, Strucker being discarded like that was a major letdown when they could've kept him alive for either future Captain America movies or Agents of SHIELD.

I can get why the fans might be mad but in the grand scheme of things neither villain was likely someone most of the audience had even heard of before these two movies.

 

[Demileto]

I can get why the fans might be mad but in the grand scheme of things neither villain was likely someone most of the audience had even heard of before these two movies.

Eh, that goes for all villains not named Loki, I think.

 

[Spiderine]

The problem, of course, is that as far as HYDRA heads go the fans are much more invested in Baron Von Strucker than Alexander Pierce, who bears no resemblance to his 616 counterpart and is more akin to an amalgamation of Aleksander Lukin and Dell Rusk (Red Skull's secretary of defense persona). In that regard, Strucker being discarded like that was a major letdown when they could've kept him alive for either future Captain America movies or Agents of SHIELD.

I think they decided to get him out of the way to introduce Zemo as the new head of Hydra and will make him a more formidable foe for Cap. Strucker became expendable and was likely a character they weren't going to use again with Red Skull also being out there some where.

 

[Deserana]

I feel this post hits at my overall issue of the film. The general feel of disconnection with the other films.

 

[Demileto]

I think they decided to get him out of the way to introduce Zemo as the new head of Hydra and will make him a more formidable foe for Cap. Strucker became expendable and was likely a character they weren't going to use again with Red Skull also being out there some where.

As far as HYDRA heads go, yeah, Zemo is a more formidable foe for Captain than Strucker, but wouldn't prison suffice here? If they keep killing good comic characters like they're D-list villains they may eventually find their A-list and B-list to be empty to use in their movies and shows.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

I feel this post hits at my overall issue of the film. The general feel of disconnection with the other films.

Yeah, I do feel like this was written in a bubble compared to the others, and then someone came in and did some tidying at the start and end to get it synched up. Maybe that's just a casualty of having so many movies, and it doesn't harm AoU individually, but just the overall story of the MCU

 

[Deserana]

Yeah, I do feel like this was written in a bubble compared to the others, and then someone came in and did some tidying at the start and end to get it synched up. Maybe that's just a casualty of having so many movies, and it doesn't harm AoU individually, but just the overall story of the MCU

To me it just raises the question of what's the point of the universe building with all the films if pivotal parts are just dropped. Fair enough if it's small tidbits but when you have Iron Man blow up his suits and essentially stop at the end of IM3 it is a bit of an eye brow raiser to see the group start as if they've literally just walked away from the first avengers into this.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

Well they did say these last few episodes of AOS will tie into Age Of Ultron. Maybe they episodes of AOS will run parallel to the events of AOU. Which would explain why May and Coulson don't show up.

 

[Creo]

I don't think the end of Iron Man 3 was him giving up on being Iron Man (especially since it specifically states that Iron Man will return). I think it was more hi coming to terms with the fact that HE is Iron Man, he is the hero, and that he isn't just a suit of armor. Him blowing up all of his other suits was him getting rid of everything that had to do with him dark times, like an alcoholic dumping out of all of store when he goes clean. At least that's what I took from Iron Man 3, and it meshes a lot better with the movies.

As to the other complaints-

1) Fury was dead to the world, yet he's now in charge of the Avengers? He changed his look in TWS, but nope, same old Fury

He wasn't in charge of the Avengers, he just offered help when they needed it. I don't recall him ever telling them what to do in this movie.

2) SHIELD is gone, but hey, here's a Helicarrier

This will tie in with 3, but there is at least on Helicarier still in use in AoS, and it doesn't seem like a stretch to have that tie into the movie via Aos over the next two weeks

3) SHIELD is gone, but hey, here's the staff hanging around from TWS

4) Von Strucker and HYDRA are dealt with in moments. Boy, they were a threat...

This was a little disappointing, but he was never built up to be a big bad guy in the movies. He had a brief appearance in TWS and was mentioned a few times on AoS. I don't see it as a huge loss with Zemo on the horizon.

5) Black Widow went underground. Not any more!

Already been mentioned, but she never went underground, she just left to "find some new ones (covers)." I would have liked to see more fallout from the end of TWS though.

6) Bucky was given lip service at best, felt really forced

I am upset over the lack of Bucky development, especially since I don't think he's going to be part of Civil War. I didn't mind the explanation, but I'm desperately hoping for more during Phase 3.

7) The Avengers are assembled, but with no reason as to why/when

This one threw me a bit as well. They mentioned that they've been working together for a bit tracking down Hydra outposts, but they should have expanded on this more for sure.

8) Agents of SHIELD ignored...

This is similar to the TWS. No real mention in the movies, but I foresee connections in the show for sure.

 

[Jaxon]

I don't think everything needs to be explained down to the micro detail, it's OK to actually fill in the blanks.

Thor's there to get the infinity stone, now leaves to find out who's pulling the big chain.
Stark is there because it helps him have a purpose
Cap is there because it helps him have a purpose
Banner is there because Stark gives him a purpose and distracts him from his plight
Hawkeye is not sure if he needs to be there but it's what he knows
Widow is there because she can't disappear into the shadows

Fury has been known to have contingencies for everything. Given CA:TWS destroyed the 3 new helicarriers you can assume this one is the one from Avengers 1, and that just maybe not everyone in SHIELD was bad. No issue with this.

 

[John Venus]

Fury mentions while in the kitchen that he doesn't have all his resources any more. He even tells Stark on the farm that he is not the Director of SHIELD anymore but an old man.

When the Helicarrier arrives, he mentions how it was kept moth balled. Fury is all about secrets so it doesn't surprise me that he kept a Helicarrier handy just in case.

Even the staff on the plane felt like all the people that he could throw together for a machine. The Helicarrier in the first Avengers had dozens of people, this one look like it was only operated by a handful of people.

 

[John Venus]

As for Hydra, there will always be another sleeper cell. Just because they destroyed one base doesn't mean two more won't sprout in it's place. Hydra will always be around.