Approval Rule Discussion

Eddie Brock

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Wow...I really cannot bring myself to make my first post here.

Maybe I should go watch a zombie movie and then come back.

*goes to see what YouTube has to offer for zombies*
 
So I guess this wasn't "approved" afterall.
 
I was led to believe it was myself, however I did not seek the approval, I just got the rules etc as asked.

Strange how you are always the first to attack someone and something though, why can't we all just get along...
 
We can all get a long if we follow the rules.
 
I was led to believe it was myself, however I did not seek the approval, I just got the rules etc as asked.

Strange how you are always the first to attack someone and something though, why can't we all just get along...

Honestly Cyrus, he's only the first because I didn't want to bother. For the past few weeks a few of us have been working hard on an application process for new RPGs here and that "approved" in the title made it look like you went over those people's heads and asked Drakon (which it appears that you didn't) to approve the idea.

That being said, I'm sure this game will be allowed to continue, I don't think that it'd be right or fair to just shut it down (not that anyone's spoken about doing so, just speculating), but personally, I do think the layout of the first post could be fixed up, to make it more organized and pleasing to the eye, and you may want to clarify the role of this "Zombie Master" guy.

So, yeah, that's it, I've said my piece, and I hope I did so in a diplomatic way. I don't want to offend someone, just to shed some light on the overall situation brought up due to the creation of this game. It's nothing personal against anyone here. Have fun guys. :hyper:
 
I personally don't see why we need to get approved by Twy or Master Bruce at all. I understand Drakon, but not the others. No offense, but those guys aren't mods here. They are mods in the games, but as long as their names aren't red, they should have no official power over anything but the games they are in. I also don't understand the "no new games rule without approval" thing. They did make a RPG forum...what do they expect to happen?
 
I personally don't see why we need to get approved by Twy or Master Bruce at all. I understand Drakon, but not the others. No offense, but those guys aren't mods here. They are mods in the games, but as long as their names aren't red, they should have no official power over anything but the games they are in. I also don't understand the "no new games rule without approval" thing. They did make a RPG forum...what do they expect to happen?
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I'm sorry. I know that they're the "veterans", but it doesn't make sense. When you want to trade a player, you don't ask the other veteran players if it's ok. It's cool that they should have some say, but I hardly think they should get this much power unless they've got a red name, like Charlie said.
 
I personally don't see why we need to get approved by Twy or Master Bruce at all. I understand Drakon, but not the others. No offense, but those guys aren't mods here. They are mods in the games, but as long as their names aren't red, they should have no official power over anything but the games they are in. I also don't understand the "no new games rule without approval" thing. They did make a RPG forum...what do they expect to happen?

In my understanding, part of what was planned in the RPG forum is that Drak would serve as Mod of the forum, but there'll be a "council of elders" of sorts that'll be a liason with him (since he's an Admin and has other responsibilities), so it works out on both sides. We become self-governing and Drak doesn't have to worry too much about us.

As for it being twy and MB specifically, Drak picked them on his own accord. And truthfully, seeing as twy's done more than anyone else for these games as a whole, I think she should be the go-to girl here. (I dunno why MB was chosen, I'm thinking affirmative action.)
 
That isn't fair. This may sound weird, but mods are a step up from a normal poster and keep order on the forums. MB and Twy aren't mods. They shouldn't decide what RPG's get made. I also don't think it is a good idea to limit or filter what RPG's are made. Sure, some of them will be crap, but then let the posters decide if they want to take part in that RPG and keep it alive. The mods don't have that policy on other forums. They don't go "before making a thread in community, check it over with me so I can make sure it is good." I don't see how it has to be any different here.
 
Alright, alright. Settle down. No need in crying over spilt milk here. Things happend and we can't change them. No need to start a Civil War over it.
 
I think everyone is settle here. We are just stating different opinions. How is that unsettled? :confused:
 
Just putting out a fire before it starts. But, go ahead and debate. It is Independence Day after all.
 
All opinions must be supressed! :cmad:

I'm sorry...was that too dictator-like? :o
 
That isn't fair. This may sound weird, but mods are a step up from a normal poster and keep order on the forums. MB and Twy aren't mods. They shouldn't decide what RPG's get made. I also don't think it is a good idea to limit or filter what RPG's are made. Sure, some of them will be crap, but then let the posters decide if they want to take part in that RPG and keep it alive. The mods don't have that policy on other forums. They don't go "before making a thread in community, check it over with me so I can make sure it is good." I don't see how it has to be any different here.

The threads can crowd and I'm thinking it messes up the server or something (I'm not a computer guy, so hell what I know).

Either way, I'm done with this discussion, I just popped in to relieve the "why do you have to be an ass?" stuff off of Red X (who gets that more than anyone I've seen), and inform people what was going on (which in light of these arguments may be changing, I don't know).

I want this forum to survive, and not be shunted into limbo like the previous RPG forums. We all do.
 
The RPG forum was created to take away clutter from the comic boards, which were being overrun by games. To clutter up the RPG boards with all kinds of RPGs that either don't have a stable basis or otherwise not up to par doesn't make much sense either, so I can understand this rule.
 
I'm with Charlie on this one. If an RPG isn't up to the grade, then players will realize this and the game will just die away like that poorly established "Knights of the Old Republic III" RPG. No fuss, no muss.

No offense to Twy or MB as I've been playing RPGs with both of them for a long time now, but we shouldn't need them to decide which games can be given a chance and which ones can't. What next? Are we going to need their approval on which candidates get accepted to play in the RPGs?
 
Since there seems to be some discrepancies with my recent announcement, allow me to retort. Never let it be said that I'm not a fair guy, nor that I don't eat my fair share of the buffet. [Sorry about that lame-ass joke, but I'm starving :(]

I personally don't see why we need to get approved by Twy or Master Bruce at all. I understand Drakon, but not the others. No offense, but those guys aren't mods here. They are mods in the games, but as long as their names aren't red, they should have no official power over anything but the games they are in. I also don't understand the "no new games rule without approval" thing. They did make a RPG forum...what do they expect to happen?


Eddie Brock said:
I'm sorry. I know that they're the "veterans", but it doesn't make sense. When you want to trade a player, you don't ask the other veteran players if it's ok. It's cool that they should have some say, but I hardly think they should get this much power unless they've got a red name, like Charlie said.

Yes, they are not reds, but I've personally appointed them. With that being the case, it doesn't matter what colour their names are. I do understand the feeling towards the Approval act, because it took me a while to come to decide to make that, too, so let me explain. The whole reason that this forum was even made again [remember that we had an RPG forum until about a year and a half ago] was because I [and I think Elijya] was getting several PMs from people complaining. Comicers were fussing because they had to sort through all the RPG threads to read for a thread they wanted [Bought/Thought comes to mind, even though that's generally on the first page, anyway], and the RPGers were tired of sorting through the comic threads to find their stuff [like the OOC threads and such]. So, by removing the peanut butter from the chocolate, everyone was supposed to be happier. The original reason the approval came up was back when this forum was first made, to keep the clutter down, since we were still worried about keeping everything organized and what not, since we had to adjust everything and sort out the new move.

The reason I appointed Bruce and Twy is because they are the ones who are running this, not me. Right now, just online, I'm --

  • Primary Technical Administrator of Superhero Hype
  • Primary Technical Administrator of ComingSoon.net
  • Primary Technical Administrator of ShockTillYouDrop.com
  • Administrator of Gamers Rejects
  • Owner/Administrator of DickDynamite.com
  • Active members of all five of those, plus a few more forums.

And then I have offline life to deal with. I don't have the time, nor the honest desire to add more to my plate. I'm the RPG mod, in the effect that if my two underlings [I like that term :D] need me to merge a thread, or edit a title, I'll do so. However, running this thing is all them. In that effect, I'm just the janitor.


In my understanding, part of what was planned in the RPG forum is that Drak would serve as Mod of the forum, but there'll be a "council of elders" of sorts that'll be a liaison with him (since he's an Admin and has other responsibilities), so it works out on both sides. We become self-governing and Drak doesn't have to worry too much about us.

As for it being twy and MB specifically, Drak picked them on his own accord. And truthfully, seeing as twy's done more than anyone else for these games as a whole, I think she should be the go-to girl here. (I dunno why MB was chosen, I'm thinking affirmative action.)

Ferret's got it right on the nose. I made that long, dragged out post for nothing. :(

Very well said, Ferret. :)

That isn't fair. This may sound weird, but mods are a step up from a normal poster and keep order on the forums. MB and Twy aren't mods. They shouldn't decide what RPG's get made. I also don't think it is a good idea to limit or filter what RPG's are made. Sure, some of them will be crap, but then let the posters decide if they want to take part in that RPG and keep it alive. The mods don't have that policy on other forums. They don't go "before making a thread in community, check it over with me so I can make sure it is good." I don't see how it has to be any different here.

I have had....seven RPGS poised to me in the short time the new board has been up. Of the seven, ONE of them has went to Bruce and Twy. The specifics behind why you have to go to them is very simple. I'm not playing any of these, so I have no idea who is what, and how things are going to be done. For all I know, the idea you're running is also one that is running right now as we speak. Since they know infinitely more about what's already established than I do, it only makes sense to get an informed opinion on it.

Why aren't they offically made mods? Well, the short answer to that is that this whole section isn't official, SHH-Sanctioned. It's fan-sanctioned, and therefore fan-modded. Of course, I'm still here for the stuff I said above, but it's not my party, and it's not Mirko's. There's more to it, too, but nothing I am at liberty to say, even in private.

The RPG forum was created to take away clutter from the comic boards, which were being overrun by games. To clutter up the RPG boards with all kinds of RPGs that either don't have a stable basis or otherwise not up to par doesn't make much sense either, so I can understand this rule.

Another good point, that I dwelled upon above.
 
Charlie No-One said:
[...]Sure, some of them will be crap, but then let the posters decide if they want to take part in that RPG and keep it alive. The mods don't have that policy on other forums. They don't go "before making a thread in community, check it over with me so I can make sure it is good." I don't see how it has to be any different here.
I'm still with this core argument.
 
I'm still with this core argument.

They don't go "before making a thread in community, check it over with me so I can make sure it is good."

No, but if we did, we'd have a lot less of the exact same crap threads over and over and over and over and over. Which is exactly what's trying to be avoided here. And to be honest, you'd be surprised how often our approval is asked for on some threads.

Take a look at some of the Community things. The Deathmatches, for example. We had one not even three months ago, and someone wanted to do another one. It was shot down not only by the other posters, but by Erz, who runs them. They aren't SHH Sanctioned, but fan-sanctioned.

Or look at Survivor. Matt, I believe was set to do the next Survivor, and Movies205 ended up doing a game that, at first, was supposed to be Survivor, but with Clue. Once everyone pointed out that it would be unfair to Matt, he took his setup, tweaked it some, and came back with a [somewhat] successful game of his own. Again, fan-sanctioned, fan-moderated [however, I am a player in the game].

It's the exact same reasoning here.
 
Yes, and the people playing them shot them down. Is that what we are trying to say? Let the players decide if they want them. Why have to go through approval process if one of two things could happen on their own: A.) Idea is denied by fans and RPG dies on it's own while having a chance to live or B.) Idea, which may have been unpopular with mods turns out to be a success.
 
Look its quite simple. Some RPG's are just dumb (maybe not the zombie one), Drakon, not being an RPer, doesn't have much of an idea what'll be worth it or not, Master Bruce and Twylight however are experienced RPers, who take part in most of the RPGs, so they know what's going to work or not.
 
Well, in both instances, that did happen, but was not the case I was pointing out. With the Deathmatches, Erz said "No." With Survivor, yes, it was the players who said "no", but that's only because there was some confusion as to who was supposed to be hosting the next game. Once that was settled, though, Clue became a game on it's own.

Idealistically, I don't think they're gonna shoot down any games, to be honest, providing they follow the SHH offical rules [IE: No "Porn Star RPG! With Pics!"], and that they aren't a carbon copy of a game already set up. That's the primary, if not only, concern I'm having here. Too many people would end up saying "Oh, I don't like this small minute thing in this new game, so I'm going to start my own game where I make the rules!" [don't believe me, look at all the user-based SHH spinoffs, like LeSoftParade and Gamer Rejects].
 
They shouldn't have to decide that. This forum should work just like the others. If it fails, it fails...no big deal. It just remains inactive. If it's a hit...then it's a hit...

EDIT: This was towards UK.
 

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