Are ILM and Weta the only two effects houses that do good work?

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Honestly, there are many f/x CGI studios out there that do work for movies, but unless it's either of those two it's like fanboys don't give a rat's ass about it. Rhythm and Hues did this Hulk, and I have seen their work before in many a movie, and they're not slouches in the industry, neither are Sony Imageworks. I think unless we don't hear who is doing the CG suddenly we call it shoddy work or sub-par. Weta and ILM have both done extremely well work, but they have also done some ****ty work.
 
i thought they WERE the only 2 effects houses....:huh:

:oldrazz:
 
Didnt weta dish out work to Rythm & Hues on LOTR when they couldnt handle the work load.In fact I believe thats the case for almost everything that R&H works on.Its not an issue of quality,just they arent as big as an ILM or a Weta. Its a smaller fx house where they do "pick up" work right?
 
There are currently 5 big vfx houses.

WETA, ILM, RYTHM & HUES, SONY IMAGE WORKS & DIGITAL DOMAIN.

there are a lot of other awesome fx houses like Hydraulx, hybride, Imagine Engine and bunch more that can also deliver fx as good the big 5 but they are not owned by huge people so they don't get the respect they deserve, which is wrong. Fans need to stop whining when those big 5 aren't working on those films. Sometimes those big 5 fx houses find things very challenging and hence drop out of the project.

Weta = Peter jackson
ILM = george lucas
Rythm & Hues has managed to make some name for themselves eventhough it is not owned by someone who is huge in hollywood
SIW = owned by sony which is big
Digital Domain = Michael Bay owns it now
 
They're certainly the most popular, but not without good reason. They've consistently raised the bar in terms of sfx, and they're always the pioneers in elevating the cg world.

And whoever won the Oscar for "The Golden Compass"....wow. Yeah, they suck hard. :down
 
^Forgot Tippet Studio. They did most of the creatures in Evolution and Spiderwick, except for the giant ogre and that Thimbletack thing.
 
^Forgot Tippet Studio. They did most of the creatures in Evolution and Spiderwick, except for the giant ogre and that Thimbletack thing.

Like i said "bunch more"
 
Honestly, there are many f/x CGI studios out there that do work for movies, but unless it's either of those two it's like fanboys don't give a rat's ass about it. Rhythm and Hues did this Hulk, and I have seen their work before in many a movie, and they're not slouches in the industry, neither are Sony Imageworks. I think unless we don't hear who is doing the CG suddenly we call it shoddy work or sub-par. Weta and ILM have both done extremely well work, but they have also done some ****ty work.

No, they're not the only effects houses that do great work (far from it). Most fanboys are just uniformed.
 
Honestly, there are many f/x CGI studios out there that do work for movies, but unless it's either of those two it's like fanboys don't give a rat's ass about it. Rhythm and Hues did this Hulk, and I have seen their work before in many a movie, and they're not slouches in the industry, neither are Sony Imageworks. I think unless we don't hear who is doing the CG suddenly we call it shoddy work or sub-par. Weta and ILM have both done extremely well work, but they have also done some ****ty work.

Well ILM and WETA are the biggest ones definately. I guess the success of WETA comes with their recent wins of the VFX Oscars ( LOTR and King Kong). But i think that each VFX studio has their own experience. I'll list some of the bigger studios and what i know of their work


WETA's experience is definately performance capture. Gollum , King KOng are the most famous examples and because of the performance capture experience James Cameron chose them as the VFX firm for Avatar.
But consider that Cameron himself has developed his own VFX technology for many years and WETA is the one which will use it. WETA also seems to be one of those few studios that can perform really difficult CGI in a short space of time. They also worked X3 and regardless what what you think of the movie , you gotta admit that those VFX were great.

Sony Image Works specialises in virtual humans. In the last few years many they have been the ones who have constantly been at the forefront. Spider-man 2 and 3 , Superman , Beowulf , MOnster House and POlar Express. AS well as virtual cities . I remember watching the VFX featurette of Mtrix Reloaded and the VFx supervisor ( John Gaeta) mentioned that they have some really good shaders for producing atmospheric CG shots. The problem i sometimes have with their work is that although they have very realistic CG humans , they stil'l haven't reached that level where it should be. As for as creature animation goes , it is a hit or miss. With Spiderman 3 they really delivered excellent work with Sandman but in I AM LEGEND the vampires looked awful sometimes.



Rhythm and Hues specialses in realistic creature animation and to me knowledge , Hulk will be the first movie where they will be creating a CG human. But yeah creature animation or more specifically animation of animals is what they usually are sought after and they do deliver some very good work. Look at their latest movies :
Alvin And The Chipmunks
The Golden Compass
Charlotte's Web
First Narnia movie

Tippett Studios like R&H is also sought after for creature animation but they tend to go for the more "fantasy" based creatures then real creatures. They often are used for smaller pictures but they did loads of work for the 3rd matrix movie , constantine and let's not forget the bugs in Starship Troopers.

And of course there is ILM. ILM is the the biggest firm and have produced many of the famous VFX shots of classic movies ( Jurassic Park , Terminator). I think up to the 90's they were the to go VFX firm ( and probably still are) but with the rise of the other VFX firms they faced huge competition.
You can also see that with the OScars they won. Although they have been nominated each other year , they finally won an OScar again for their work in POTC 2 after their last win '94 for Forest Gump.
'95 was Babe , '96 Independance Day , '97 Titanic , '98 What Dreams May Come , '99 Matrix , '00 Gladiator , '01 FOTR , '02 TTT , '03 ROTK , '04 Spidey 2 , '05 King Kong , '06 POTC 2
ILM has "made a comeback" ( if those are the right words) recently with their photorealistic animation of Davey Jones and Transformers. And i's not like they also have had the great VFX . Remember Van Helsing and the second mummy movie.

There are other big studios such as Digital Domain but honestly i don't know what they specialise in.

Fanboyism plays a big role in determining why many people want ILM and WETA . Especially the case with WETA because of their recent oscars wins. But if you look closer alot of those studios really do deliver some excellent work. VFx isn't just about animating something realistically . It's making something believable. Sometimes that costs loads of money and sometimes it just requires the right talents. And studios always are bringing their own VFX techniques to their last projects.
 
Who's doing speed racer? Whatever they're doing looks pretty good so far.
 
Who's doing speed racer? Whatever they're doing looks pretty good so far.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0811080/companycredits
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CafeFX
Digital Domain (visual effects)
Evil Eye Pictures (visual effects)
Gentle Giant Studios
Halon Entertainment
Industrial Light & Magic (ILM)
Lola Visual Effects (visual effects)
Proof (pre-visualization)
Rising Sun Pictures (visual effects)
Sony Pictures Imageworks (SPI)
 
Well ILM and WETA are the biggest ones definately. I guess the success of WETA comes with their recent wins of the VFX Oscars ( LOTR and King Kong). But i think that each VFX studio has their own experience. I'll list some of the bigger studios and what i know of their work


WETA's experience is definately performance capture. Gollum , King KOng are the most famous examples and because of the performance capture experience James Cameron chose them as the VFX firm for Avatar.
But consider that Cameron himself has developed his own VFX technology for many years and WETA is the one which will use it. WETA also seems to be one of those few studios that can perform really difficult CGI in a short space of time. They also worked X3 and regardless what what you think of the movie , you gotta admit that those VFX were great.

Sony Image Works specialises in virtual humans. In the last few years many they have been the ones who have constantly been at the forefront. Spider-man 2 and 3 , Superman , Beowulf , MOnster House and POlar Express. AS well as virtual cities . I remember watching the VFX featurette of Mtrix Reloaded and the VFx supervisor ( John Gaeta) mentioned that they have some really good shaders for producing atmospheric CG shots. The problem i sometimes have with their work is that although they have very realistic CG humans , they stil'l haven't reached that level where it should be. As for as creature animation goes , it is a hit or miss. With Spiderman 3 they really delivered excellent work with Sandman but in I AM LEGEND the vampires looked awful sometimes.



Rhythm and Hues specialses in realistic creature animation and to me knowledge , Hulk will be the first movie where they will be creating a CG human. But yeah creature animation or more specifically animation of animals is what they usually are sought after and they do deliver some very good work. Look at their latest movies :
Alvin And The Chipmunks
The Golden Compass
Charlotte's Web
First Narnia movie

Tippett Studios like R&H is also sought after for creature animation but they tend to go for the more "fantasy" based creatures then real creatures. They often are used for smaller pictures but they did loads of work for the 3rd matrix movie , constantine and let's not forget the bugs in Starship Troopers.

And of course there is ILM. ILM is the the biggest firm and have produced many of the famous VFX shots of classic movies ( Jurassic Park , Terminator). I think up to the 90's they were the to go VFX firm ( and probably still are) but with the rise of the other VFX firms they faced huge competition.
You can also see that with the OScars they won. Although they have been nominated each other , they finally won an OScar again for their work in POTC 2 after their last in '94 for Forest Gump.
'95 was Babe , '96 Independance Day , '97 Titanic , '98 What Dreams May Come , '99 Matrix , '00 Gladiator , '01 FOTR , '02 TTT , '03 ROTK , '04 Spidey 2 , '05 King Kong , '06 POTC 2
ILM has "made a comeback" ( if those are the right words) recently with their photorealistic animation of Davey Jones and Transformers. And i's not like they also have had the great VFX . Remember Van Helsing and the second mummy movie.

There are other big studios such as Digital Domain but honestly i don't know what they specialise in.

Fanboyism plays a big role in determining why many people want ILM and WETA . Especially the case with WETA because of their recent oscars wins. But if you look closer alot of those studios really do deliver some excellent work. VFx isn't just about animating something realistically . It's making something believable. Sometimes that costs loads of money and sometimes it just requires the right talents. And studios always are bringing their own VFX techniques to their last projects.

ILM didn't do the Matrix!!!

Bunch of new fx companies were hired and see they delivered something out of the world and won fx award at oscar.
 
The work Digital Domain did on ZODIAC was amazing. :up:
 
ILM didn't do the Matrix!!!

Bunch of new fx companies were hired and see they delivered something out of the world and won fx award at oscar.

Where did i say that ILm did the matrix ?
I said :
You can also see that with the OScars they won. Although they have been nominated each other , they finally won an OScar again for their work in POTC 2 after their last win '94 for Forest Gump.
'95 was Babe , '96 Independance Day , '97 Titanic , '98 What Dreams May Come , '99 Matrix , '00 Gladiator , '01 FOTR , '02 TTT , '03 ROTK , '04 Spidey 2 , '05 King Kong , '06 POTC 2

ILM has been nominated every year ( i think) for their VFX but after their win for Forest Gump , it took 12 year before they won another oscar for POTC 2.
Between that period WETA dominated all three LOTR movies and King Kong. R&H won their oscar for Babe , SPI won their oscar for Spidey 2 . Dunno exactly the studio that did ID , Titanic and Gladiator. Wasn't digital domain the one that did Titanic. :huh: ANd Sony who did Gladiator. Must check that again. The studio that did most of the work for Matrix was Manex and they were also responsible for the VFX of What Dreams May Come
 
The work Digital Domain did on ZODIAC was amazing. :up:

Indeed.
But i think the director plays an important role in the use and look of VFX.
Steven Spielberg has done miracles with ILM.And to this day still amazes me. On the other hand ,Stephen Sommers has left me scartching my head. Both of his movies were done by ILM and those VFX was really horrible ( The Mummy 2 and Van Helsing).
 
Indeed.
But i think the director plays an important role in the use and look of VFX. Steven Spielberg has done miracles with ILM.And to this day still amazes me. On the other hand ,Stephen Sommers has left me scartching my head. Both of his movies were done by ILM and those VFX was really horrible ( The Mummy 2 and Van Helsing).

Very true.
 
Indeed.
But i think the director plays an important role in the use and look of VFX.
Steven Spielberg has done miracles with ILM.And to this day still amazes me. On the other hand ,Stephen Sommers has left me scartching my head. Both of his movies were done by ILM and those VFX was really horrible ( The Mummy 2 and Van Helsing).

Directors can insist on FX being redone or fine-tuned. Depends what time and money is available, and how fussy the director is over a certain thing.

I thought the FX in 10,000BC were stunning. Not 100% convinced on the sabretooth, but the mammoths really looked like they were there in that landscape. Also loved the predatory giant birds.
 
The work Digital Domain did on ZODIAC was amazing. :up:
Yes. I didn't even know almost all of it was greenscreen until I saw a making of video. I was like :wow:
 
Sony Imageworks sucks big time when you look at the budget they work with. It dosen't matter since WETA are gonna' blow everyone away with their photo realistic CGI in James Camerons Avatar.
 

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