Are morals relative?

[AhabTheArab]

like my man Q-tip and Fife dog used to say "Its a case of your feet in my nikes..."

anything can be right/wrong, its all perspective. some may disagree, but its weird that way.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

I disagree. No matter how you look at it, raping a child is wrong. Killing a child is wrong. Just to name a couple extreme examples. I believe there are times when evil is simply evil.

When this happened people blamed it on childs play 3.
Alot of people were shocked at how two people of that age had the capability to do such a thing.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger

 

[Mr Sparkle]

I disagree. No matter how you look at it, raping a child is wrong. Killing a child is wrong. Just to name a couple extreme examples. I believe there are times when evil is simply evil.

you people are confusing wrong with "evil"
and the crux of this is simple.
are "ALL" things inherently evil or "GOOD"?

NO.

simple answer.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

So there's nothing wrong with me entering your home, blowing your head off and raping the female members of your family?? I mean since there's no right and wrong and all.......

what if you did it to save hundreds of lives?

 

[Abaddon]

When this happened people blamed it on childs play 3.
Alot of people were shocked at how two people of that age had the capability to do such a thing.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger

x omega

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

x omega

Wonder what sort of people they are now, grown with new identity's, be interesting to find out.

 

[Ghostvirus]

Wow.

There are a lot of crazy hypotheticals floating around this thread...Wow.

 

[Abaddon]

Wonder what sort of people they are now, grown with new identity's, be interesting to find out.

they spent more than half their lives in jail. who knows?

I don't think the article mentioned anything about their parents, which is weird.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Yea wikipedia is very brief in there articles.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

All three of us are Christians, but I believe that just because God says it's wrong doesn't make it so.

I...



I am just amazed at some of the stuff I read here.

Rather than using insults, or trying to tell you something...I ask you, please explain, to me, how you are a "Christian", who does not believe that when God says something is wrong, it is necessarily wrong.

I am very excited to hear about how that is possible.
You will either crack my mind open and blow it away, or I am in for a real laugh.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

what if you did it to save hundreds of lives?

ahem....uh..Celldog?

you there buddy?

 

[Danalys]

the shifting moral zeitgiest shows that some atleast are relative and have changed over time.

 

[Kritish]

Some morals are relative. Like Downloaded music, or other files. But murder is pretty much black, & white.

Black and white turns grey really fast.

 

[Joker]

There's no such thing as right or wrong. There are just events. People made up the entire idea of good and bad. We made all of it up to control each other, and over the years the masses became so ingrained in it that they actually believed it, and so on and so on, and now the concept of morals is all you ever hear about.

The only real truth is what you personally believe. What the next guy feels doesnt matter at all.

 

[Superman]

There's no such thing as right or wrong. There are just events. People made up the entire idea of good and bad. We made all of it up to control each other, and over the years the masses became so ingrained in it that they actually believed it, and so on and so on, and now the concept of morals is all you ever hear about.

The only real truth is what you personally believe. What the next guy feels doesnt matter at all.

Well said.

 

[DareDemon]

I...



I am just amazed at some of the stuff I read here.

Rather than using insults, or trying to tell you something...I ask you, please explain, to me, how you are a "Christian", who does not believe that when God says something is wrong, it is necessarily wrong.

I am very excited to hear about how that is possible.
You will either crack my mind open and blow it away, or I am in for a real laugh.

I believe it's a sin, but I also believe that not everyone would think of it as wrong. They would think it's right. And they're not wrong about that, because it's an opinion on if it's right or wrong.

Just like it's God's opinion that this-and-that is wrong.

In response to Memphis: Yeah, I would care. Like I said, I still have my own views on morality, but if that person veiwed killing my family as right, than it would be....to them. And hopefully them alone.

 

[SurfDUI]

My perspective is that God set the standard of morality long ago, and all the confusion throughout the ages has been because of mankind trying to redefine it.

Bing

 

[SurfDUI]

What is it with you people who cheapen God in such a manner as to suggest you have ANY idea what God thinks?

Thats your perspective, and if that is correct, What is it with you people who think that God is so detached and uncommunicable, that he left us NO instruction whatsoever. The Pope sure aint a diety, but people sure do treat him like one. Cathloic church didn't stop the Nazi's or the pedophole priests. Kreflo dolla, Pat Robertson, or that ***** that orchestrated the S&L scandal sure ain't a diety either, put people treat them like one.

No one should claim to know the ends the God's thinking,-but he's not a mysterious cloud. A whole lot of humanity is going to be wrong someday soon, That don't make alot of what we put up with is right nowaday's

 

[Harlekin]

If there wasn't some truth to moral relativism, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Morailty was designed to be absolute, in the sense that every scenario has two responses, given a particular context. For example, the taking of a human life could be broken down like this:

Deliberate taking of one's own life = suicide
Taking the life of another, without provocation or reason = murder
Taking the life of another by accident, through protection of self or others = self-defense

In all 3 instances, the result is the same: someone loses their life. What determines the true morality of each situation is the context therein.

For example, if a person willfully ends their own existence, with little or no thought beyond the result, most would call it suicide...but what about a scenario like the heroic pilot in "Independence Day"? He knows his actions will result in his death, and yet his motive for doing so is not depression or despair...its hope and love. Some folks would lump that right in with a grief-stricken teen overdosing on pills. But are these two situations really the same at all?

What about an unrepentant murderer gunning down a woman in an alley, whom he's never even met? How many of us could honestly claim that's the same as a 40-year-old father of three shooting a burglar in the middle of the night? Is his situation the same, simply because the end result matches? I doubt it.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I believe it's a sin, but I also believe that not everyone would think of it as wrong. They would think it's right. And they're not wrong about that, because it's an opinion on if it's right or wrong.

Just like it's God's opinion that this-and-that is wrong.

You believe that the supposedly omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent Creator of the Entire UNIVERSE's opinion is no more informed or greater or worthy than any one of ours as people?

You can't be a follower of "Christ" and think that.
Jesus taught that we're all filthy sinners and no one is righteous except God.
Also, God is, from before the beginning of time, the ultimate "good", all goodness comes from him, and He also created Evil.

He defines what is right and wrong because he INVENTED it, out of nothing, and, as creator of every object and concept in the universe, he is the sole, the SOLE authority on EVERYTHING in the universe.


IF, you're a Christian, that is.

It is amazing to me that you can call yourself a "Christian", and in your world view, God himself, the Creator of the entire universe, could come down and tell you that something is "wrong", and you think you could say, "Mmm....no, not necessarily.".....CORRECTING your own supposed Lord and GOD, and that he, the Christian God would then just say, "Oh, well, I respect your opinion. Go ahead and continue doing that, because, while it seems wrong to ME.....you think I'm wrong on that, and it isn't really wrong."

Could you Fed Ex me some of what you are smoking?

 

[November Rain]

He's a christian-lite as with 100% of the rest of the world, big deal...

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

He's a christian-lite as with 100% of the rest of the world, big deal...

No, all the Christians, say, on these boards are Christian Lite, because they ignore only the rules they don't want to live by.

But claiming to be a Christian while denying God's omniscience and role as perfect Creator and arbiter of Right and Wrong, especially in light of our limited perception as flawed humans,...that is off-the-charts Locoinsaneinthemembrane, lol.

 

[November Rain]

Yes morals are relative...

If the majority of people were behind any act (and i mean 100% behind instead of piling under peer pressure) then after a few generations a re-education of people's willingless to accept events would change.

similar to how stance of violence or adult language is slowly sleeping into younger rating films. Soon the word '****' would be used in a PG-13. A word that was once band from all forms of broadcasting.

Even some of the most unthinkable things like child rape could be seen as acceptable. I mean in the roman days, sleeping with a small child was a luxury.


The problem is though that people are unwilling to have their views change. Looking at it from a religious points of view, there are countless people of all sorts of background who believe their own religions are law and everything else is wrong and this goes back thousands of years.

The average human does not like a change of status quo so the shift of relativity is bound to be so small that unless you happen to be at a certain point in time, you aren't likely to notice it.

 

[November Rain]

No, all the Christians, say, on these boards are Christian Lite, because they ignore only the rules they don't want to live by.

But claiming to be a Christian while denying God's omniscience and role as perfect Creator and arbiter of Right and Wrong, especially in light of our limited perception as flawed humans,...that is off-the-charts Locoinsaneinthemembrane, lol.

so he's a dr. christ-lite with a hint of lemon

it all tastes the same in eternal damnation.