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Discussion in 'Misc. Films' started by Thread Manager, Jul 3, 2013.
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Arnold Schwarzenegger Returning to TERMINATOR Franchise; Justin Lin to Direct
And I think that's what made them amazing. Terminator 2 is almost a recap of part one, but told differently with a higher budget. It's kinda like the jump from Evil Dead to Evil Dead 2; almost the same narrative with different tones.
and T3 was pretty much a straight recap of T2 but without that different perspective. Which is why it felt so bland.
They really got "lucky" with T2 as i don't know if T1 was the obvious launching pad for a mega-franchise and they've been pushing that luck ever since.
i hate that in the new thread old posts dont have the old date. now it looks like the collider news is from today.
Yeah, you got it right.
And the thing with T3 is that the tone was too light. There's no sense of danger. Also, the endearing dynamic between John and the Terminator is gone because it's a different model and John is now an adult. T2 was a great coming-of-age story in some ways.
And..the TX seems like a desperate attempt at making a new 'evil' Terminator. Not because she's a woman but her powers and skills come off as half-arse brainstorming. I mean, the T-1000 is hard to top and I'm sure he can destroy the TX with ease.
Yeah they essentially peaked with the perfect villain/terminator in T2 with the T-1000. So the only thing they could do is just make it different for difference sake and also have lady parts now.
I also think Salvation failed not only because it was crap but because i don't really believe anybody really cared that much to see the future or John Connor as an adult, that all really worked as back-story but not the main focus.
Like what a journalist said (I think it was Drew McWeeney of Hitfix.com) a while back, it's best not see certain things like that in full. Once you see it as the general setting, the mystery is gone, so it's best to keep it brief. Unless it's the T2 3D show at Universal Studios .
It's like Roy Batty's beautiful 'Tears in the Rain' speech at the end of Blade Runner. Do you really want to see the stuff he saw in a prequel/sequel? No. Best to leave it to the imagination.
You nailed the problem with TX. Loken did a perfectly fine job in the role but the TX did feel like a brainstorming villain more than a fleshed out one. The T-1000 was something completely different from the T-800 and unfortunately the filmmakers failed to top him in T3. We just got T-1000 2.0: This time with more boobs!
I actually find T3 to be quite watchable, quite entertaining but I agree with you on the tone being too light.
Along with that issue I'm sorry but I hated Nick Stahl as Connor. I have no idea why he and the writers turned the smart, cool, thoughtful but dickish little punk kid into a nervous fearful adult? I mean it's a drastic and boneheaded change.
John Connor being like Shia in Transformers, before there was a Shia in Transformers, just baffles the hell out of me. It annoyed me to no end. Even the T.V show tried to bring young Connor back to how Cameron wrote him. Even Salvation's Connor resembled the one in T2. What the **** is that abomination in T3 because it damn sure ain't John Connor?
I'm sorry to rant about this but dammit I hated that characterization. I hated it because it wasn't for the better. Furlong might not have been the greatest actor but everyone more than got what Connor's personality was. I know some might say "but Sarah Connor's personality changed and you liked that!" Yes because it was an interesting change and it worked well within the film. Sarah becoming a paranoid loon worked very well and John becoming a stuttering geek didn't. Sorry.
I'm not a fan of Nick Stahl or his nostrils. His Connor was vaguely defined, and like what you said, had poor characterization.
And to me, T3 is strictly a 'If it's on TV' type of affair for me. It's entertaining but doesn't even attempt at overtaking T2 at all. It's like "Let's make another one" type of sequel instead of a "Let's surpass the previous" edition.
There definitely wasn't any effort made to make a special film.
Terminators Robots in Disguise
Hell, T3 was like a 'made for TV' movie anyway.
I don't think there's anyone out there that cared for Nick Stahl's Connor. I mean....my God, Terminator 3 seemed more like a parody of part 2. The film itself is among the top in my "Sequels that shouldn't have been made list".
T3 was made for Arnold's paycheck. good for him
That is all I want to see now. I want the creation of the time machine, the struggle to use it, and how the war ends (whether humans are wiped out or not). I don't care about the present day/past anymore.
Maybe someone should repost the link to the latest news that this will now be a trilogy rebooting the franchise, and that Arnold might no longer be involved. Just to keep things on track, as some people might not have been following the previous thread.
Terminator: Salvation still has one of the best trailers out there. That trailer made the movie seem so damn good. I still enjoyed it (in retrospect at least, hated it when it was first released) for what it was (better than T3 if you ask me) but it still failed to revitalize the series unfortunately.
"If we stay the course.....we are dead! WE ARE ALL DEAD!"
I gotta agree with you there. While TS was disappointing, it wasn't nearly as abominable as T3.
Actually, he ended up paying for a chunk of the movie out of his own pocket.
Salvation may not have lived up to its promise but I liked the premise and future setting better than yet another rehash of time traveling cyborgs. Whatever they do with this reboot I hope it's not just taking that same story and sticking it in some ridiculous time period.
I always bring up TS whenever there's a topic about "great trailers, bad/so-so movie". That trailer was flawless.
That trailer was amazing and the movie isn't bad, it's just mediocre. I like watching all of the Terminator films because I enjoy the Terminator mythology.
I geeked out big time when the theme kicked in, in this: