Arrow Arrow Season 3 Episode 16 the offer

[BattleCat]

Damn, I feel bad for Oliver. is felicity intentionally making thing's hard on Ollie. Every time she speaks to him, she gets within kissing distance, and gets all touchy-feely.

 

[BattleCat]

Sometimes I wonder how Flash could be so good yet this show has failed to go back to that great Season 1 glory.

I wonder the same thing.

 

[Herolee10]

Damn, I feel bad for Oliver. is felicity intentionally making thing's hard on Ollie. Every time she speaks to him, she gets within kissing distance, and gets all touchy-feely.

Well, I guess now we know who taught Iris to do the same on "Flash".lol

 

[Lencho01]

"My planet needs me"

That part cracked me up.

 

[Lencho01]

I could really go on about the list of things that didn't make sense, like Oliver's ability to web sling away when there's not a building in sight of the direction that his arrow was shot at (first Batman, now they're ripping off Spider-Man.lol)...but another thing that really bugged me is why would Ra's even bother personally going around masquerading as Green Arrow?

He has like several/countless archers at his disposal that could have easily done that.

I'm thinking Ra's initially his keeping his plans to himself. But, I guess he changes his mind based on that recent trailer.

 

[Herolee10]

Well, at least Oliver can now say that he's a swinger in both his civilian and hero personas.

 

[chamber-music]

I like how nonplussed Oliver was about Ras Lazarus Pit.

ETA: Maseo referred to his son in the past tense (although not inherently implying death).

Every time that kid makes an appearance I think he is going to die. Feels like the writers are trolling the audience a little.

The episode had it's good points, but the premise of Oliver's willpower keeping him alive still doesn't sit well with me.

If there was a Green Lantern on this show then Oliver would get his ring

What the **** did he even attach that to?

He used anti-gravity arrows

If they're not allowing Ras' to judge Malcolm, why aren't they giving Malcolm to Star City police? Tsk Tsk!

Malcolm could at least be handed over to Argus like Deadshot was.

So Ras master plan is that if Oliver doesn't accept his offer he will make him by having people turn on against the Arrow.

 

[The Shape]

I'd rank this season of Arrow higher than TF.

I find that so hard to believe. Also shocked that you ranked both of this week's episodes of The Flash and Arrow at the same 7.5 score.

 

[Boy Scout]

I find that so hard to believe.

They've both been pretty mediocre up to this point. Arrow gets the edge because of the quality of the performances and my investment in the characters.

Also shocked that you ranked both of this week's episodes of The Flash and Arrow at the same 7.5 score.

The series are very different. I don't usually have one in mind when rating the other.

 

[Kar]

...Am I the only one that's tripping over Shado being alive? I was like "WTF?!". I'm interested in seeing how that's explained.

I'm gonna try and not nitpick with this episode. It was cool. Glad Oliver didn't take Ra's on his offer. But I'm really disappointed in the explanation of why he chose Ollie. It would have made more sense for the deadliest man in the world to make it LOOK like he killed Oliver Queen, explaining how he survived his fall and everything. But no. "You survived my sword and came back to life with willpower (and magical leaves) so you HAVE to be the new Ra's al Ghul." Really weak if you ask me and it teeters into "chosen one" territory. I do like the Lazarus Pit finally making an appearance and I like the fact there were other Ra's al Ghuls.

Murmur was cool. Laurel still being rusty is cool. Her and Nyssa going out for dinner...loved it. Don't know why but I almost felt like I was watching a scene from a Birds of Prey show.

My main gripe with this episode though is why in the **** is Oliver still saving Malcolm?! There is literally no point in keeping Malcolm around at this point. Take him to the Squad or something. Everything involving Malcolm has been resolved already. I just pray that by the end of the season we find out Ollie's been saving Malcolm's ass for his own secretive reasons apart of a much bigger plot. I dunno.

 

[The Shape]

They've both been pretty mediocre up to this point. Arrow gets the edge because of the quality of the performances and my investment in the characters.

The series are very different. I don't usually have one in mind when rating the other.

I disagree that The Flash has been mediocre. Quite the contrary, actually, and I think 95% of the show's viewers would disagree with you on that point. You're right in that the series are very different, but if you'd actually rank this season of Arrow above The Flash, it seems you might simply have a preference for Arrow, its characters, and actors.

For me, coming off of Arrow's second season, this season has been a huge disappointment. So many things don't make sense, the character motivations are all over the place, the acting has been week, the same conversations have been repeated over and over again, villains have been relatively non-existent for the most part, the flashbacks couldn't be any less interesting than they already are, and there's honestly very little for us to be excited about heading into this last stretch of episodes. I even think the camera work, editing, and action have become weaker this season.

But hey, that's just me.

 

[Bats1690]

I enjoy both shows and tend to shy away from comparing the two, but here's my opinion on the matter.

Honestly, everything aside from the Reverse Flash plot in The Flash has been mediocre IMO. The villains of the week aren't any better than the ones in Arrow and they're pretty cheesy as well. The love triangle in The Flash is just as bad as what goes on in the Arrow. Maybe even worse.

Tom Cavanagh and his character are literally the only reason I'm so heavily invested in The Flash. Well maybe Grodd to.

 

[chamber-music]

The Flash has been better so far across it's 15 episode run than Arrow has been across it's entire 62 episode run and I say that as some one who likes Arrow.

I think they do a far better job of building and maintaining momentum on The Flash than they do on Arrow. I also think the various subplots on The Flash tend to be more interesting than the ones on Arrow.

Both are good shows but for me The Flash is better at the moment than Arrow.

 

[Boy Scout]

I disagree that The Flash has been mediocre. Quite the contrary, actually, and I think 95% of the show's viewers would disagree with you on that point.

With respect to you and all those other people, that doesn't mean anything to me. I don't make it a habit of allowing other people influence my opinion.

Personally, I don't think The Flash is anything to write home about. The acting is largely unimpressive (if not outright terrible), the villains are often laughably bad, and the writing is hopelessly contrived. It usually gets a pass from the fans because it's "fun" or whatever (show Grodd for eight seconds and I guarantee you at least three people will rate the episode 10/10), but I require a bit more from my entertainment.

Don't get me wrong; I genuinely like the show, but I find it to be vastly overrated.

You're right in that the series are very different, but if you'd actually rank this season of Arrow above The Flash, it seems you might simply have a preference for Arrow, its characters, and actors.

Of course I do, and that's because I think Arrow is superior to TF in almost every respect. This season of Arrow has been the worst yet, but I'd take it over TF any day.

So many things don't make sense...

TF is hardly better in that respect.

...the acting has been week, the same conversations have been repeated over and over again...

See above.

...and there's honestly very little for us to be excited about heading into this last stretch of episodes.

Speak for yourself.

 

[Spider-Ock]

Like I mentioned above, the only reason "Out of Time" is touted to be one of the best episodes in the show's entire run is that the Wells plotline picked up steam in it. That's it. Aside from that, the Flash has been consistently bogged down with poor acting on the part of Iris and the villains of the week. Captain Cold seemed like a good introduction, but ep 10 with him and purcell got real corny real fast. And this is coming from a guy who loved them in Prison Break.

So yeah, the Flash is largely overrated in my opinion. It is good; but it is not as good as some proclaim it to be. I think Gustin and some of the others literally carry the show in some episodes.

 

[SpideyVille]

Do you guys know that the actor playing Murmur has played Smallville's first freak of the week, Jeremy Creek?

I was waiting for someone to mention this. I noticed in the first trailer and knew he looked familiar, then I remembered from where.

 

[Bats1690]

I also have to say that I loved seeing the Lazarus Pit actually heal and they pretty much kept it exactly like the one in the comics where the Pit slowly loses its effects the more it's used. And I'm loving Matt Nable's performance as Ra's. By seasons end it could possibly be my favorite live interpretation of him (yes even above Liam Neeson). The scene he had with Nyssa was just incredible.

 

[Steyin]

The 1st season of the Flash has shown me just how bad Arrow really is in comparison quite honestly. Even up against the first 2 seasons I find the Flash highly superior, and I loved Arrow's last season. Coming off of that awesome 2nd season, coupled with how much I enjoy Flash, this season has been quite a letdown and very WTF at several moments.

 

[dhandler01]

Good episode with some great scenes for Ollie, loved him being worked by Ra's and his scenes with Felicity when he returned as well as with Digg, it's the most clarity Ollie has had in some time.

I like them pairing Nyssa with Laurel, I think there is a genuine side to it but Nyssa may also be looking to get on the inside with Team Arrow so she can catch Ollie with his guard down.

The villain of the week had a gimmick that would be interesting to see further explored but his motives were simple and provided 2 good action sequences. Mostly though he was useful in Ollie's arc and Lance's continued journey into bitter self pity.

Poor Thea. I definitely think Malcolm has to go by the end of the season.

Not sure what to make of the Shado scene.

The end scene with Ra's impersonating The Arrow to begin his plan to turn everything he predicted into a reality for Ollie was fantastic and sets the season run-in up enticingly.

Your positivity is not welcome here! Please repost this pointing out nothing but nitpicky stuff and things you hate!

(sorry Mod, I had to...just joking around)

 

[SpideyVille]

I feel like Ra's may start to become a growing presence on the show, meaning, we'll finally get to see the villain more often.

With that said, I think the biggest problems that have faced the show this season are the forced Olicity moments, and the fact that the show is clearly filling up air time trying to stall certain things for as long as they can.

 

[The Shape]

With respect to you and all those other people, that doesn't mean anything to me. I don't make it a habit of allowing other people influence my opinion.

I wasn't suggesting that you should. Rather, just stating a fact.

Personally, I don't think The Flash is anything to write home about. The acting is largely unimpressive (if not outright terrible), the villains are often laughably bad, and the writing is hopelessly contrived. It usually gets a pass from the fans because it's "fun" or whatever (show Grodd for eight seconds and I guarantee you at least three people will rate the episode 10/10), but I require a bit more from my entertainment.

And Arrow this season is giving you that "more" from your entertainment this season?

Everything you just described can be applied to Arrow, and both shows certainly have elements that are contrived -- something that began in the first season of Arrow that the creators continued in The Flash.

The "fun" aspect of The Flash is kind of the hook of the show and also the character. It's lighter and has been unabashedly comic book-y right from the start, but the season has also been pretty tight in terms of the over-arching story and subplots. It's had a clear focus right from the beginning and the season hasn't been filled with deviations from that or unnecessary reversals.

For awhile, Arrow was very good at being a "dark", semi-gritty, Batman-lite procedural show with comic book elements and a plethora of melodrama. Now, however, they've been dropping the ball in almost every respect.

TF is hardly better in that respect.

What doesn't make sense about the Flash? I wasn't referring to little nit-picks like "The Flash should have been able to take away Cold's gun" or things like that, but rather, I was referring to major decisions made by the writers and subsequently the characters. Few examples:

- Laurel and Team Arrow keeping up a lie to Det. Lance for several months that Sara was still alive, which included Laurel using a voice modulator to impersonate her dead sister to her own father
- Forced attempt at a romantic relationship between Oliver and Felicity to pander to the fans
- Oliver surviving the duel against Ra's with not even a relatively reasonable explanation provided to us
- Oliver protecting Merlyn, working with him, saving him, dumping him at Thea's place in spite of how much Thea has expressed hatred towards Malcolm
- Thea wanting to die
- Oliver seriously considering accepting Ra's Al Ghul's

Speak for yourself.

I have, though I appreciate the suggestion.

Either way, there's no need to make this a competition between the two shows. My initial comment towards you was just meant to express my surprise at the fact that you rated both of this week's episodes equally, and your opinion that this season of Arrow is stronger than that of The Flash.

 

[kane9321]

Yay for Nyssa. On the other hand, everything else...

Nyssa and diggle. makes the show enjoyable for me..EVERYTHING ELSE

 

[Boy Scout]

I wasn't suggesting that you should. Rather, just stating a fact.

Noted. I apologize if that came off rudely.

And Arrow this season is giving you that "more" from your entertainment this season?

Generally, no. Compared to TF, yes.

Everything you just described can be applied to Arrow, and both shows certainly have elements that are contrived -- something that began in the first season of Arrow that the creators continued in The Flash.

I never said otherwise. Rather, I find sloppy writing to be a bit more prevalent in one show than the other.

The "fun" aspect of The Flash is kind of the hook of the show and also the character.

Which is great, but it isn't an excuse for lackluster performances or bad writing.

What doesn't make sense about the Flash?

I believe I've reviewed every episode to date. I could share the reviews with you if you're genuinely curious.

I wasn't referring to little nit-picks like "The Flash should have been able to take away Cold's gun" or things like that...

That isn't a nitpick.

I have, though I appreciate the suggestion.

Again, I apologize if that came off rudely.

Either way, there's no need to make this a competition between the two shows.

That wasn't my intention. I usually try not to mention one when speaking of the other.

My initial comment towards you was just meant to express my surprise at the fact that you rated both of this week's episodes equally, and your opinion that this season of Arrow is stronger than that of The Flash.

They're both weak; one is just slightly stronger (IMO).

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

Nyssa and diggle. makes the show enjoyable for me..EVERYTHING ELSE

yeah Diggle!( and Roy i like Roy!) is a big reason i keep watching! That freaking dude should be a JOHN STEWART/GREEN LANTERN!!
but all this going back and forth! Thea calling the LOA on Malcolm and then letting him sleep on her couch?!? What the &*() is that?! it goes from felicity saying good bye to Oliver and then being sad that she is with Ray. this going back and forth stuff is bugging me!

 

[Slade W]

The Flash is great and I am really enjoying it, but I also prefer this season of Arrow to it.