Art

[Wilhelm-Scream]

ugh. I hate when mods become humanized.

 

[MadMaximus]

Dude, I've displayed a wide variety of mediums in my thread. Ranging from comic book, to graphic, to oil painted portraits, realistic graphite drawings, and so forth. I can easily say, I am better than you. What? Don't like someone saying that? Boo hoo.



And p.s. I hate Star Trek too.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

One of the worst creatures to ever crawl the Earth is an art-snob. I know because I am one.

 

[MadMaximus]

One of the worst creatures to ever crawl the Earth is an art-snob. I know because I am one.

lol, yuh huh. That's why I remain so open minded about art in general, so I don't get lumped in there.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

traditional art takes a lot more skills than comics, so i decided to take a break from comics.

Hahaha, seriously such a dumb thing to say

I won't even go into the facts that:
1) the quality of "art" is subjective (millions believe Andy Warhol to be a genius and Norman Rockwell to be embarrassing. Representational art is despised by most art critics, and there are lowly Ad agency guys that can air brush you a picture that's almost completely photo-realistic, but they'll never be considered to be great artists as Picasso was.

2) You can't generalize with such broad genres. There is "traditional art" that doesn't require much skill, there are comics that are just squiggles and there are comics where it takes years to finish them. All "comics" are not the same, nor are all examples of "traditional art".

3) What "skill"? There are great "fine" artists that would never be able to wrap their heads around what it takes to do sequential art and would have nowhere near the facility with economy of line, etc.

I believe art is for self expression and Jack Kirby is my favorite artist in the world, but since you seem to have a hard-on for technique...when you can do stuff like:

or

then by all means, come back to the Hype, brag that you're better than everyone else and explain that comic art doesn't require as much skill as "traditional" art (whatever that is) .

 

[Spoarz™]

And....that is my art, and it IS superb!!

And you would be right good sir.

 

[Crimson Dynamo]

I won't even go into the facts....

You did go into the facts. And I'm glad you did.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Heh, well what I meant was that books could be written about the subject, so that was just the reduction of the reduction of the points that I wanted to bring up when he said that comics don't require as much skill.

 

[DJ BLASTER]

well its only because im better than you guys .

Wilhelm-Scream: alex ross copies from pictures. and that art isnt even superb, are you saying that stuff is better than DaVinci and other renaissance artists' stuff, come on that is a stretch.

i know there are exceptions to my statement, but obviously im correct.

lol, yuh huh. That's why I remain so open minded about art in general, so I don't get lumped in there.

Did your mother also tell you that you're the best artist in the world?


I think that comic book pros like Charest would admit that they have nothing on classical artists.

Frazzetta is an exception, although im better than him too





































































































































star trek sucks.

 

[MadMaximus]

Did your mother also tell you that you're the best artist in the world?

lol, no. But humorously ignorant for you to think so. Hell, with the way you're acting, it's you're mother that tells you this.

And have you actually opened up a book to classical art? It's really not that hard, particularly in the drawing end. Nothing can match the oil painters of way back when, that's just a fact, but have you ever actually looked at DiVinci's drawings rather than paintings? It very much looks like what is known today as "comic book" art. Most were simply figure studies.

Now, at first, I took your initial comment "I'm better than all of you" from your first post lightly, as I figured you were just joking, but if this is your real attitude about your above average drawing skills of mediocre middle-school level subjects, then you need to get your blinders removed. Drawing "comic book" style is no different from traditional art, except for the fact that it's produced on a very commercial scale. The fact that comic book art can range from realistic to cartoony makes it just as versitle a range as Romantism/Neo-Classicism to Post Modernism. What Travis Charest, Neal Adams, or Berni Wrightson does with their drawings is no different from what DiVinci or Ansil Adams would do. I think you're just letting the subject matter getting in the way of judging.

 

[DJ BLASTER]

i havent read what you said, but...

...i dont care.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Wilhelm-Scream: alex ross copies from pictures. and that art isnt even superb, are you saying that stuff is better than DaVinci and other renaissance artists' stuff,

No, I was saying it's a hundred times better than the amateurish, "star of the high school art class" stuff that you posted on the first page and that you can't quantify how much more "skill" it takes to do a DaVinci or an Alex Ross. What, is it like, 9 pounds four ounces more skill?
Also, I only posted 2 pics by Alex Ross. and I hate DaVinci. I'd say he was overrated, but he was okay for the time, so...

If your measure of "good" art is how...real it looks? or how "evocative" it is (which, again, is subjective), or how well it adheres to the Golden Mean, etc.? Then there are a million commercial artists today that would chew up DaVinci and spit him out. They are not considered to be "Great Artists". Picasso was and is. And you'll never be one hundredth the figure in the art world that he is by cranking out cheesy stuff like what I've seen so far, which is what makes it so amusing that you're acting like some kind of Art Messiah. LMAO

Frazzetta is an exception, although im better than him too

I hope that was another of your "jokes". If not, I wish you'd post something of yours that's "better than Frazetta". I would really be interested to see it.

And it's funny you brought him up. You said you think he's skilled, but as it happens my best friend's Mom used to paint exact copies of his well-known stuff for fun. Looked exactly the same. She was a good mimic.

Art is more about composition and content...creation, than technique. You learn technique because it's a tool that enables you to create visual representations of intangible imagery that forms in your mind's eye. Art is not about some contest of prowess. You make art sound like an Olympic event where the merit of a piece can be judged empirically as if by a stop watch at a 100 meter dash.


It's also kind of sad that you're so insecure in your abilities that you keep approaching the subject in this way at all.
Art is for fun and is the inevitable extension of our nature as humans, our desire to create and express ourselves, not to lord over others and see how many blue ribbons you can collect before you die.


Anyway, I'll be waiting to see that "better than Frazetta" stuff. From your first page posts and the "art gallery" in your sig, it looks exactly like the stuff I was doing when I was the teacher's pet in my senior year art class...I've since thrown all of that stuff away because it's embarrassing and screamed out "PRETENTIOUS".
I'm into subversive pop-art type stuff now and it kicks ass.
P.S. I guarantee you you will never be as famous and your work will never be as well loved as the work of Howard Finster. Fact.

 

[MadMaximus]

William, you have a friend in Mad, hehehe.

 

[Saint]

No, I was saying it's a hundred times better than the amateurish, "star of the high school art class" stuff that you posted on the first page and that you can't quantify how much more "skill" it takes to do a DaVinci or an Alex Ross. What, is it like, 9 pounds four ounces more skill?
Also, I only posted 2 pics by Alex Ross. and I hate DaVinci. I'd say he was overrated, but he was okay for the time, so...

If your measure of "good" art is how...real it looks? or how "evocative" it is (which, again, is subjective), or how well it adheres to the Golden Mean, etc.? Then there are a million commercial artists today that would chew up DaVinci and spit him out. They are not considered to be "Great Artists". Picasso was and is. And you'll never be one hundredth the figure in the art world that he is by cranking out cheesy stuff like what I've seen so far, which is what makes it so amusing that you're acting like some kind of Art Messiah. LMAO

I hope that was another of your "jokes". If not, I wish you'd post something of yours that's "better than Frazetta". I would really be interested to see it.

And it's funny you brought him up. You said you think he's skilled, but as it happens my best friend's Mom used to paint exact copies of his well-known stuff for fun. Looked exactly the same. She was a good mimic.

Art is more about composition and content...creation, than technique. You learn technique because it's a tool that enables you to create visual representations of intangible imagery that forms in your mind's eye. Art is not about some contest of prowess. You make art sound like an Olympic event where the merit of a piece can be judged empirically as if by a stop watch at a 100 meter dash.


It's also kind of sad that you're so insecure in your abilities that you keep approaching the subject in this way at all.
Art is for fun and is the inevitable extension of our nature as humans, our desire to create and express ourselves, not to lord over others and see how many blue ribbons you can collect before you die.


Anyway, I'll be waiting to see that "better than Frazetta" stuff. From your first page posts and the "art gallery" in your sig, it looks exactly like the stuff I was doing when I was the teacher's pet in my senior year art class...I've since thrown all of that stuff away because it's embarrassing and screamed out "PRETENTIOUS".
I'm into subversive pop-art type stuff now and it kicks ass.
P.S. I guarantee you you will never be as famous and your work will never be as well loved as the work of Howard Finster. Fact.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

William, you have a friend in Mad, hehehe.

it's WilHelm, and cool, I loved your post above.
You know what? I just saw that he's 17, so it's cool. I shudder when I think back on my unfounded arrogance and cluelessness when I was a teen. I'm sure he'll grow out of it and his art will improve in a few years.

It's kind of like me with guitar. In the 80's I was a teenager and was a phenomenally gifted guitarist. Back then it was all about how fast and accurately you could play...if you could play every Eddie Van Halen, Yngwie Malmstein or Steve Vai solo flawlessly, or how mind-bendingly complex your arrangements were.

Older fans of my band would tell me how much they liked my stuff, but they'd always mention things like "getting into the groove" and "less is more" and how great "slowhand" Clapton was and how B.B. King could wring more emotion out of one note than the flashy guys could with a hundred. This was preposterous bulls*** to me at the time.

And I "KNEW" that it was just that they were jealous, or felt threatened by my musical genius, that they just couldn't stand the fact that I was a demi-god and they weren't, so they subconsciously wanted to take me down a notch, and I hated all the "old classics" they'd always refer to.

Now I'm older and agree with almost everything they said ( and wish I could find them and thank them and let them know that their lessons were eventually learned ) and it took me years to shed my insecure "LOOK AT ME! I'M THE BEST YOU'LL EVER SEE! I BLOW ALL OF THE OTHERS OUT OF THE WATER!" competitive style of playing and to actually get into composition and feel, and self-expression and real emotion and worry more about enjoying the music than whether or not I'd get voted best local guitarist again in all the local music mags.

Now I can't even listen to the old "impressive" stuff I played back then, it's like the opposite of what I developed/matured into musically. I'd much rather be Jack White than Steve Vai now.

But of course, If I went back in time and told my teenaged self that, my teenaged self would think I was full of it.

So I'll cut him some slack on account of youth.


Must say though, when he made that blanket statement: "I'm better than Frazetta"...whoo....wanted to reach through and slap him.

 

[MadMaximus]

Sorry, I'm actually tired from work, so I read it as "William" lol.

And I play guitar as well, drawing my inspirations from David Gilmour to Joe Satriani, so I know what you're talking about, although I wasn't a teen in the 80's. Except, rather than trying to be flashy like Vai or the harder metal music I was into a few years ago, I've grown more comfortable experimenting even if it is just using one note as a texture, like something Jeff Beck or Gilmour would do.


Ah youth. Their ignorance was bliss, lol.

 

[C. Lee]

well its only because im better than you guys .

Sounds more like - BITTER.

Wilhelm-Scream: alex ross copies from pictures. and that art isnt even superb, are you saying that stuff is better than DaVinci and other renaissance artists' stuff, come on that is a stretch.

So...Ross copies from pictures.....did DaVinci, Rembrant, Raphael, etc.....use psychic abilities to figure out what people and objects looked like....or did they look at people and objects for hours on end, because they didn't have the great invention of photography to use?

Frazzetta is an exception, although im better than him too

There is no use for us to talk any further....that one statement makes everything you say less than worthless. Have fun telling that guy in the mirror how wonderful he is. Buh-bye.

 

[Crimson Dynamo]

This DJ Blaster guy is obviously a joker. Give him three years and he'll snap out of it.

 

[i_am_brucelee]

alex ross copies from pictures.

And you think that the "Masters" drew those pictures from thier heads? you are seriously delusional.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Wasn't it DaVinci that got in trouble because he was taking apart cadavers to better understand anatomy?

I'd rather Alex Ross refer to a photo (that he composed and took, which is art in itself) than cut up corpses.

 

[DJ BLASTER]

stop hitting on each other in my thread....i dont like gays.

p.s. photography isnt art either willy(thats you kaizer wilhelm).

 

[Crimson Dynamo]

stop hitting on each other in my thread....i dont like gays.

Bigoted too huh? No surprises there.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Were, you...um, going to make us eat our words by posting some of your stuff that's better than Frank Frazetta...anytime?

 

[C. Lee]

stop hitting on each other in my thread....i dont like gays.

My other posts were in jest....this one isn't.....We here at the SHH very highly disapprove of bigoted statements like that.....do not do it again.

 

[Bill]

stop hitting on each other in my thread....i dont like gays.
p.s. photography isnt art either willy(thats you kaizer wilhelm).

Ignorant and a bigot, heckuva combination.