ASM #539 Preview

[TheCorpulent1]

People have survived bullets to the head before.

 

[Darthphere]

People have survived bullets to the head before.

Yeah, I saw Regarding Henry too, but they dont survive them when their brains splatter everywhere like Ted Kord.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Now you're just splitting hairs.

 

[Darthphere]

Not really, his death was purposefully depcited that way to avoid those same "People survive bullet to the heads all the time" statements.

 

[tb_fan6782]

Yeah, brain splatter usually means that person is not coming back. However, the way comic books work you never know.

 

[Sloth7d]

People have been shot in the head before in real and survived. Some become handicapped, some in comas, some are lucky and are okay. None the less they survived.

 

[Darthphere]

People have been shot in the head before in real and survived. Some become handicapped, some in comas, some are lucky and are okay. None the less they survived.

Didnt I just rebute this argument?

How many of those actually had their brains splattered against a wall?

 

[Sloth7d]

Wolverine.

 

[Darthphere]

Cute.

 

[The Comedian]

God damn that' cover is awesome though

 

[The Punisher]

Yeah it does look awesome. I wasn't to sure about last issue, but I may just consider picking #539 up.

 

[Dread]

And again, being shot in the chest is nowhere near as ugly or violent as Spoiler and Sue Dibny's death.

Can we at least agree that being shot is more violent and ugly, in fitting with the dark climate, than dying peacefully of old age?

Now you're just splitting hairs.

He's been doing that ever since I posted my point, IMO. As if people go to sleep praying, "Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the lord my soul to keep, and if I die before I wake, please let it be from a single bullet vs. being tortured with a power drill or burnt alive, because that is almost emaculate."

 

[MaskedManJRK]

Hmm, the preview does look pretty cool. Might be interested in this series again. :chappy:

As for May, well, she should have died the first time, so, if I can be brutally honest, I'll be glad if the old bird is six feet under.

 

[YJ1]

like the fact that Peter & MJ had a child that was stillborn; you'd think that a guy who STILL obsesses about the death of his college fiance would maybe even recall the death of a first child, but F that, it "makes him seem older", as one writer or editor justified omitting it put it

This is a GREAT point. They should have added this to the Spider-Man mythos and it should be as powerful as when anyone mentions Gwen. My memory is foggy, however. Didn't Norman take the baby and fool Peter & MJ in to thinking she was stillborn? How was that resolved or am I remembering it wrong?

My point was that nowadays NO CHARACTER'S DEATH is allowed to be of natural causes and be as poignant

Captain Marvel's death was of natural causes and they would never think of bringing him back. You just don't bring back Uncle Ben, Captain Mar-Vell or Bucky. Oh wait...........

We have people who claim that her death in ASM #400 was a great comic years later, who still are miffed at the "actress" baloney that Mackie came up with to revive her (and that all but abandoned her character anyway).

JMS wants us to have some gasping emotional reaction to May getting shot, but I just feel numb. She's been killed off before in more dignified fashion, and it's become a bad joke to have death after death after death after death in comics. I literally read that panel and thought, "Oh, AGAIN!?"

I'm one of those people who claim Aunt May's death in #400 was poignant and remarkably moving. It should have never been undone or crapped on by Mackie. I also agree that last issue's gun shot to the gut had NO emotional impact on me whatsoever.

 

[BrianWilly]

And again, being shot in the chest is nowhere near as ugly or violent as Spoiler and Sue Dibny's death.

He's not comparing the gratuity of the violent deaths. He's pointing out the fact of violent deaths at all.

If it were comparing the gratuity, it would be an entirely different conversation. "DC rapes its characters and tortures them! They're so much more violent!!" and not "Both companies resort to violence!! It's so tacky!"

 

[Xofenroht]

I care more about Aunt May than Sue Dibny...so May's death is worse.

 

[Artistsean]

Maybe they pretend, or fake, that she is dead in order to keep Aunt Man and MJ safe. Like she is stable buy dying during the comic but survives in the end.

I wanna see what he does to the sniper after he throws the car at him. He seems so angry he probably didn't leave it at that.

 

[AndThePickles]

This issue looks great, can't wait until it comes out!

 

[3dman27]

This is a GREAT point. They should have added this to the Spider-Man mythos and it should be as powerful as when anyone mentions Gwen. My memory is foggy, however. Didn't Norman take the baby and fool Peter & MJ in to thinking she was stillborn? How was that resolved or am I remembering it wrong?
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your memory serves correctly its just that the quesada administation prefers to keep miss parker in an alternate timeline to avoid pigeonholeing spider-man into a DEFINITE future

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Even if Peter ended up finding his daughter in the present-day Marvel comics, there's nothing to say that the MC2 stuff would become his definite future. For all we know, the MC2 stuff takes place on Earth-617 or 924 or 1238894. The Earth-616 future is still unwritten and will always remain that way because it has to.

 

[Darthphere]

He's not comparing the gratuity of the violent deaths. He's pointing out the fact of violent deaths at all.

If it were comparing the gratuity, it would be an entirely different conversation. "DC rapes its characters and tortures them! They're so much more violent!!" and not "Both companies resort to violence!! It's so tacky!"

Yeah, I got the point, but Aunt May's "death" wasnt violent at all. We didnt even see her actually getting shot, all we saw was her standing all awkward with what looked like a huge ketchup stain on her shirt. There was nothing violent in her actual "death".

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It was presented in a remarkably tame way (I suspect to keep the suspense up by not letting us know who was shot until the last possible moment), but it's still a violent (possible) death.

Of course, all of this is moot if Aunt May doesn't actually die. Which I'm actually hoping for.

 

[Darthphere]

Aunt May will be a Herald of Galactus once again.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm hoping for a cage-match with Stardust.

 

[Crosis]

It seems assinine to jump all over Dread's comparison like that. His point's valid, it IS a brutal death for an old woman. Frankly, I think the idea of a 70+ year-old woman getting shot makes it nearly as stomach-churning as the young wife of a hero getting burnt or the young hero getting tortured.

It's just a ridiculous and rather discomforting situation to throw May into. I dunno why Darth is hell-bent on defending it from Dread's criticism, but he's way off base here.