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[Darthphere]

It seems assinine to jump all over Dread's comparison like that. His point's valid, it IS a brutal death for an old woman. Frankly, I think the idea of a 70+ year-old woman getting shot makes it nearly as stomach-churning as the young wife of a hero getting burnt or the young hero getting tortured.

It's just a ridiculous and rather discomforting situation to throw May into. I dunno why Darth is hell-bent on defending it from Dread's criticism, but he's way off base here.

You're way off base here!


My point is simple, I will do somehting Dread would never expect me to do, concede his point. I get it I do. But I'll reiterate once again, we never saw Aunt May actually being shot, the violent aspect of the "death" was never portayed. And I still stand that you can't compare them to the overly violent deaths of Sue Dibney and Spoiler, I don't think you can.

Its all about the way the death's were portrayed IMO.

 

[Dread]

You're way off base here!


My point is simple, I will do somehting Dread would never expect me to do, concede his point. I get it I do. But I'll reiterate once again, we never saw Aunt May actually being shot, the violent aspect of the "death" was never portayed. And I still stand that you can't compare them to the overly violent deaths of Sue Dibney and Spoiler, I don't think you can.

Its all about the way the death's were portrayed IMO.

Fair enough. I grouped them together because of the trend, not because they are all created equal. The end result is the same. If someone you loved was murdered would it really matter how? Would you be any more relieved that it was merely a single bullet than combustion? I doubt it, because it'd still be horrible.

I contend that the act of shooting an old lady with a sniper rifle is in itself violent, even if you aren't actually shown the bullet drilling into her flesh for 7 panels or something. By that logic, if I showed a picture of a man facedown on the ground with a small blood puddle around his head, but you never actually saw the action, this ISN'T a depiction of violence act because we never saw it.

Even if it's not vividly portrayed in gruesome detail, it's still a sniper mowing down Aunt May. And that's terrible. But terrible is a trend now.

I'm not rooting for her death, but I honestly can't see much reason to go overboard on the "wearing black to mourn" if she doesn't.

 

[Darthphere]

Fair enough. I grouped them together because of the trend, not because they are all created equal. The end result is the same. If someone you loved was murdered would it really matter how? Would you be any more relieved that it was merely a single bullet than combustion? I doubt it, because it'd still be horrible.

I contend that the act of shooting an old lady with a sniper rifle is in itself violent, even if you aren't actually shown the bullet drilling into her flesh for 7 panels or something. By that logic, if I showed a picture of a man facedown on the ground with a small blood puddle around his head, but you never actually saw the action, this ISN'T a depiction of violence act because we never saw it.

Even if it's not vividly portrayed in gruesome detail, it's still a sniper mowing down Aunt May. And that's terrible. But terrible is a trend now.

I'm not rooting for her death, but I honestly can't see much reason to go overboard on the "wearing black to mourn" if she doesn't.

Coma? Lung transplant? He' sad that she actually didnt die. "Why wont this old ***** just die?"

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Peter could be wearing black to mourn something more abstract. May could survive, but Peter could still put on the black costume to mourn, say, the loss of his innocence, when he could still reveal his identity and believe everything would be all right. Or maybe to mourn the loss of America's innocence, given that the people have essentially said that they'd prefer sociopaths like the fake Venom and the Green Goblin protecting them rather than Captain America.

Frankly, if May dies, it's going to be stupid. We know this because they've done it already and it didn't take. How long do we really think it's going to be until Spider-Man's sales are in the toilet again and yet another regime believes that Peter needs his ol' Auntie May to come back and deliver that motherly dose of relatability to the character and his family structure? If she does die, the only thing I'm going to feel is curiosity about whether her next inevitable resurrection could possibly be any more ******ed than her previous one.

 

[Dread]

Peter could be wearing black to mourn something more abstract. May could survive, but Peter could still put on the black costume to mourn, say, the loss of his innocence, when he could still reveal his identity and believe everything would be all right. Or maybe to mourn the loss of America's innocence, given that the people have essentially said that they'd prefer sociopaths like the fake Venom and the Green Goblin protecting them rather than Captain America.

Frankly, if May dies, it's going to be stupid. We know this because they've done it already and it didn't take. How long do we really think it's going to be until Spider-Man's sales are in the toilet again and yet another regime believes that Peter needs his ol' Auntie May to come back and deliver that motherly dose of relatability to the character and his family structure? If she does die, the only thing I'm going to feel is curiosity about whether her next inevitable resurrection could possibly be any more ******ed than her previous one.

Well said.

 

[Shockdingo]

Good points, I like the theory that he dons black for the loss of America's innocence, I mean dudes Cap all of a sudden is the bad guy here while Gobby and Bulleseye are the good guys, what the hell?

I agree with Dread's point on character deaths these days, one there's too many of them and they're messy to the extreme. Writers now seem to think that in order to do something dramatic someone needs to die across 13 panels and we see thigs down to the cell destruction. I miss the old days when stories were strong and even though there was threat of death, there was the threat of other things. Death was supposed to be reserved for extreme cases of drama, if you pile on the deaths too much things feel cheesy. (That's even my problem with Lost, but that's another story)

Killing May (again) only applies and satisfies this new "shock value" culture and to go to the writer's egos ("Yea I had enough pull and courage to kill off a beloved character. Haw haw hawwww....burp") It feels cheap, uneeded and forced. Properly written, May getting gravely injured/ dying as the result of a super villain could be really emotional, but the fact she's died hurts things, and the other fact is that death is sooooo common and overused.
Since no one in the 616 Marvel universe stays dead (except for Uncle Ben, who knows maybe Doc Strange will accidentally bring him back as May dies, bleeding over his grave in a 13 page spread ) he ressurection and return are most likey going to be horrifically moronic.

I can only pray that sometime within the next couple of years Marvel gets a big ol' overhaul and gets back to caring about the fans, but I highly doubt that'll happen any time soon.

 

[3dman27]

Good points, I like the theory that he dons black for the loss of America's innocence, I mean dudes Cap all of a sudden is the bad guy here while Gobby and Bulleseye are the good guys, what the hell(

good question