The Amazing Spider-Man ASM Blu-ray: Most Wanted Features and Extras

[Mike]

Bloody hell, easy tiger!
What I took away from AF15 is that if you have the power to help someone you should (regardless of the circumstance). My general point is in the movies Peter was slighted so it was 'understandable' he acted in the manner he did, I probably would have done the same thing. But in AF15 Peter wasnt slighted and he was given the oppertunity to stop a crook even though the only motivation to do so was it was the right thing to do but he chose not to.
For me as a concept AF15 works better than both movies.

i disagree. He just comes off as an a hole in af15. Raimi and webb atleast try to humanize peter pre ben's death.

 

[spider-neil]

i disagree. He just comes off as an a hole in af15. Raimi and webb atleast try to humanize peter pre ben's death.

The fact that Peter looks out for himself makes complete sense and Peter is an outcast and a nobody and the only people that care for his are his aunt and uncle. When Peter is performing and making money it makes sense to be he would look out for number one (and his aunt and uncle).
I'm not talking about that character of Peter I'm talking specifically about the moment in which he is confronted with stopping the crook or not, I would have preferred it if it just happended rather than Peter getting his own back because he was wronged.

 

[Mike]

The fact that Peter looks out for himself makes complete sense and Peter is an outcast and a nobody and the only people that care for his are his aunt and uncle. When Peter is performing and making money it makes sense to be he would look out for number one (and his aunt and uncle).
I'm not talking about that character of Peter I'm talking specifically about the moment in which he is confronted with stopping the crook or not, I would have preferred it if it just happended rather than Peter getting his own back because he was wronged.

yea youre right. It would have been.

 

[Troy_Parker]

The fact that Peter looks out for himself makes complete sense and Peter is an outcast and a nobody and the only people that care for his are his aunt and uncle. When Peter is performing and making money it makes sense to be he would look out for number one (and his aunt and uncle).
I'm not talking about that character of Peter I'm talking specifically about the moment in which he is confronted with stopping the crook or not, I would have preferred it if it just happended rather than Peter getting his own back because he was wronged.

But that would make no sense because it'd go against Peter's characterization they developed earlier in the movie. Even before he had powers he stopped Flash from bullying that kid. If Peter saw that happen and was like "Oh, whatever, as long as it's not me getting bullied." then what you said (where the shop keeper wouldn't be a dick to Peter and Peter would simply choose not to stop him) would make sense. But then again, if they portrayed Peter like that before he even got powers... he wouldn't be very likeable, would he?

 

[Spiderdevil]

I highly recommend seeing it eight times t:
The Lizard analogy doesn't make any sense since Lizard has a regenerative ability, so Lizard dying by Captain Stacy's gun would be stupid, being shot by a canon as Bane was isn't. I don't know why anyone would think it's such a bad or embarrassing death; at least it's not just by a handgun.

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I was just giving an example
Take any random main villian,say Joker or DocOck in TDK and Sm2,I would hate it if they died by a single gun shot,ofcourse it is gonna kill them but they arent supposed to killed so easily from a story point of view,thats not how movies work

Theatricality - Bane; Deception - Talia...powerful agents in the League of Shadows.

That would have been the case had Bane not made to look like a sidekick

Being shot by a canon isn't dying easily

I am talking about the Story POV
Its lazy writing at its best,the main villian is never killed so quickly

And Talia and Bane were never lovers, so another thing I don't get is the whole "friend" nitpick.

Ther relationship should have been made clear which it wasnt

TDKR IS a great movie too

Doesnt compare to TDK

They were equal partners since Ra's al Ghul is the one who always wanted to destroy Gotham. Talia and Bane just decided to re-form the League under new rulership. And a tear being shed isn't bad. People cry; villains even cry. It's okay for Sandman to cry, but not Bane?

Yeah because Sandman was being shown as sympathetic villian,they wanted the audience to sympathize about him and his daughter,not the case with Bane,he was pure evil,he was meant to cry.Imagine Sebastian Shaw in XMen:First class crying? How ridiculous it would look

If they potray Electro as pure evil in TASM2,I would NEVER want him to cry

 

[Spiderdevil]

Confused individual? No, that would be you when both origin films share a lot of resemblance even with the real killer not having been caught. Also saying that by the end of this trilogy, this Peter could pull exactly the same and just let the killer go.

Till he does that,Shut up!

Seriously all you do is speculate
What If What if What if

Saying he will let his Uncle's Killer go is just like saying Electro is gonna shag Gwen Stacy.Very less probability

And if you are comparing just the two films,there is a huge difference between not able to catch the guy after trying so hard and catching him and then letting him go because he narrated a sob story about his daughter

If you cant see the difference then you can stop watching Spider-man movies altogether

 

[Spiderdevil]

"I'm too cheap to pay the two cents for something I can't afford; and my uncle's gonna be a dumbass and attempt to stop a man with a gun" Vs. "You screwed me over 2900 bucks, so I'm gonna let the robber pass."

Way to go Webb

That works cause Webb's Peter is supposed to be a lot immature than Raimi's
I think both origin's were good narrations,I prefer Webb's but the villian part makes SM1 better for me

 

[Spiderdevil]

But that would make no sense because it'd go against Peter's characterization they developed earlier in the movie. Even before he had powers he stopped Flash from bullying that kid. If Peter saw that happen and was like "Oh, whatever, as long as it's not me getting bullied." then what you said (where the shop keeper wouldn't be a dick to Peter and Peter would simply choose not to stop him) would make sense. But then again, if they portrayed Peter like that before he even got powers... he wouldn't be very likeable, would he?

Because he was already pissed off after fighting with Ben,people dont think right when they are pissed off
A sober Peter would have probably stopped him

 

[Anno_Domini]

Yeah, okay, I can't debate this with you if going to go into SM3 doesn't exist mode. And I happen to think he did better than all three movies the first time out. We don't have a Peter who stood by and did nothing as a man fell to his death before him--that he himself is involved with. Nor do we have a Peter who let his Uncle Ben's killer go free after catching him. Marc Webb can butcher it, depending on what he does in the next 1 to 2 films, but Sam Raimi has already butchered it.

Although I did bring up if we use Spider-Man 3 as canon and how it DOESN'T ruin the "true hero's origin" for the hero as Spidey still learns these lessons and specifically from Uncle Ben as well as still going through his many trials. Letting Sandman fly away, while a very terrible idea, doesn't take anything away from Peter Parker being Spider-Man. It's a joke if you really think Spider-Man 3 takes everything away from Peter being a true hero; it's only a bad movie, that's all.

And we may not have seen those two things in Webb's film, but that's all directing around Uncle Ben and in the first film it seemed like Peter had found the right guy. At least Raimi's Peter wouldn't lie to a dying captain.

|I was just giving an example
Take any random main villian,say Joker or DocOck in TDK and Sm2,I would hate it if they died by a single gun shot,ofcourse it is gonna kill them but they arent supposed to killed so easily from a story point of view,thats not how movies work

A canon to the chest.

Something devastating had to happen to Bane. How does anyone think that isn't a fine death? It isn't a simple handgun and Bane simply had to be a character that dies.

That would have been the case had Bane not made to look like a sidekick

And Bane didn't look like a sidekick when he did everything else in the film besides the last ten or so minutes. We never get an ounce of knowledge of Talia ordering Bane to do anything, thus calling Bane a sidekick is outlandish. Needless to say we've been over this many times as the one order Talia does give out to Bane, Bane does not acknowledge it. That's like if I were to tell you something, and even though you don't listen, we can assume you're my sidekick just for the hell of it.

Talia was never a part of Ra's al Ghul's plan until she found out he died, but she needed help, obviously, and that's when she found Bane. That doesn't seem like Bane was a sidekick to me as Talia needed Bane. Bane didn't need Talia as he wasn't affiliated, he didn't care unless Talia came to him.

I am talking about the Story POV
Its lazy writing at its best,the main villian is never killed so quickly

A canon isn't being killed so easily. In fact, it was great writing as it's true justice since Bane wasn't going to make Batman suffer anymore and blow Batman's brains out with a shotgun.

Ther relationship should have been made clear which it wasnt

It was clear enough as Bane was a very big brother type inside that Pit as well as Talia sleeping with Bruce Wayne and no jealousy was being shown by Bane. A villain who was in love, in that way, with someone else would bring it up. Bane could've mentioned how he hated Bruce for sleeping with Talia, but, nope, that was never mentioned. So it wasn't that kind of love.

Doesnt compare to TDK

I think it does, but it's always nice to know that Nolan had made some really great Batman films though t:

Yeah because Sandman was being shown as sympathetic villian,they wanted the audience to sympathize about him and his daughter,not the case with Bane,he was pure evil,he was meant to cry.Imagine Sebastian Shaw in XMen:First class crying? How ridiculous it would look

Bane was a sympathized villain who was the only decent man inside that Pit that saved a young Talia, which were shown in flashbacks way before the finale battle anyways so it wasn't a quick attempt to give Bane some sympathy. How is that any different than making Sandman a sympathetic character(who at least was a forced sympathetic character...Marko was always a regular joe in comics and at least Bane had his moments of caring)?

And the thing about Shaw....he was never meant to be a sympathetic character

If they potray Electro as pure evil in TASM2,I would NEVER want him to cry

If Electro is meant to be a pure evil villain in TAS-M 2, I wouldn't expect him to cry either, but Bane was never meant to be pure evil as seen during those flashbacks of the Pit.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Till he does that,Shut up!

Seriously all you do is speculate
What If What if What if

Saying he will let his Uncle's Killer go is just like saying Electro is gonna shag Gwen Stacy.Very less probability

And if you are comparing just the two films,there is a huge difference between not able to catch the guy after trying so hard and catching him and then letting him go because he narrated a sob story about his daughter

If you cant see the difference then you can stop watching Spider-man movies altogether

Oh no, you showed me!

I loved the beginning when you told me to shut up too, haha.

Obviously you're not understanding my point as bringing up a 'What If' scenario to the table isn't some bogus claim as seeing a film and thinking something that never existed(Bane and Talia as lovers )

If one wants to say Sam Raimi butchered his films, then one should realize that Webb can very well do the same and that, if we go by the first film alone, Webb has already butchered the character by taking Captain Stacy's words on not being vengeful, but yet he doesn't listen to the captain and gets back with Gwen.

 

[©KAW]

Bloody hell, easy tiger!
What I took away from AF15 is that if you have the power to help someone you should (regardless of the circumstance). My general point is in the movies Peter was slighted so it was 'understandable' he acted in the manner he did, I probably would have done the same thing. But in AF15 Peter wasnt slighted and he was given the oppertunity to stop a crook even though the only motivation to do so was it was the right thing to do but he chose not to.
For me as a concept AF15 works better than both movies.

That lesson was learned after Ben was killed. Peter Parker isn't perfect, he may be smart as hell, but he's not perfect and he was pissed after his fight with Ben. It's why he's called the "every man" because most likely, you and I would do the same thing he would. What should be taken from AF15 is that Peter learns from his mistakes (being a selfish jackass) in order to better himself. It's the kick-starter within him to becoming Spider-Man.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Oh no, you showed me!

I loved the beginning when you told me to shut up too, haha.

Obviously you're not understanding my point as bringing up a 'What If' scenario to the table isn't some bogus claim as seeing a film and thinking something that never existed(Bane and Talia as lovers :funny)

If one wants to say Sam Raimi butchered his films, then one should realize that Webb can very well do the same and that, if we go by the first film alone, Webb has already butchered the character by taking Captain Stacy's words on not being vengeful, but yet he doesn't listen to the captain and gets back with Gwen.

Okay Im not gonna reply to the TDKR posts since people dont like that here and we are not gonna change each other's minds

Can do the same? The probability of which is extremely low

As for Stacy's words,we are yet to see what happens to the relationship.Webb wanted to keep him options open.Good decision imo

 

[Anno_Domini]

Okay Im not gonna reply to the TDKR posts since people dont like that here and we are not gonna change each other's minds

Can do the same? The probability of which is extremely low

As for Stacy's words,we are yet to see what happens to the relationship.Webb wanted to keep him options open.Good decision imo

How is the probability extremely low? Spidey doesn't have any friends in the police force and he wouldn't kill. I could very well see Webb using the path of Peter letting the killer just go as Captain Stacy told him there are bigger things to do then being on some vendetta.

Plus, you could still have some relationship and not have Peter running back to Gwen at the very end. It wasn't a good decision when the ending of the final battle at this conversation between Stacy and Parker that deliberately asked Peter to stay away from Gwen. That whole moment is ruined by the last couple of minutes. You wanna talk about terrible writing, THAT is terrible and lazy writing to flip it around at the last second.

 

[Spiderdevil]

How is the probability extremely low? Spidey doesn't have any friends in the police force and he wouldn't kill. I could very well see Webb using the path of Peter letting the killer just go as Captain Stacy told him there are bigger things to do then being on some vendetta.

Leave him hanging outside the police station,thats what he is gonna do

Plus, you could still have some relationship and not have Peter running back to Gwen at the very end. It wasn't a good decision when the ending of the final battle at this conversation between Stacy and Parker that deliberately asked Peter to stay away from Gwen. That whole moment is ruined by the last couple of minutes. You wanna talk about terrible writing, THAT is terrible and lazy writing to flip it around at the last second.

We still dont know what he will ultimately do,he is a loner in the end,No kiss or hug or anything,he doesnt get back together as yet

Plus thats the whole point,he is immature and doesnt listen to CapStacy,he will know the terrible consequences and the value of that promise when she dies.

Thats the difference between Raimi's and Webb's Peter,Raimi's was goody two-shoes and realized that by himself at the end of SM1,Webb's Peter is immature(As teenagers are supposed to be) and will learn that later

 

[Troy_Parker]

Because he was already pissed off after fighting with Ben,people dont think right when they are pissed off
A sober Peter would have probably stopped him

He didn't seem too pissed off during that the shop bit though... I think what you're saying might have come off a little weak.

I get what you mean, but I don't think it would have worked.

 

[Mike]

Leave him hanging outside the police station,thats what he is gonna do



We still dont know what he will ultimately do,he is a loner in the end,No kiss or hug or anything,he doesnt get back together as yet

Plus thats the whole point,he is immature and doesnt listen to CapStacy,he will know the terrible consequences and the value of that promise when she dies.

Thats the difference between Raimi's and Webb's Peter,Raimi's was goody two-shoes and realized that by himself at the end of SM1,Webb's Peter is immature(As teenagers are supposed to be) and will learn that later

its as if people dont realize this. What in the eff? Lol thats not lazy writing. Its organic teenager traits. Do they not get the bitter sweet ending?. Lol george stacey died in the comics from falling debris, from doc ock. Pete in the comics was a bit older than webbs peter. So you would think he would know better, and on principle alone not to go anywhere near Gwen after that incident... but we all know how that went down.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Leave him hanging outside the police station,thats what he is gonna do

You think. Just because we only saw it happen once.

We still dont know what he will ultimately do,he is a loner in the end,No kiss or hug or anything,he doesnt get back together as yet

They got together. There'd be no reason to have that one line if we weren't to acknowledge that they got back together behind Captain Stacy's wish. It even works with "Those are best kind" from Captain Stacy's dying wish to Peter.

Plus thats the whole point,he is immature and doesnt listen to CapStacy,he will know the terrible consequences and the value of that promise when she dies.

We don't know if there will be terrible consequences as much as we don't know if Peter will find the killer or what he will do to the killer, especially now if Electro becomes the villain to the sequel and Green Goblin is pushed back.

Thats the difference between Raimi's and Webb's Peter,Raimi's was goody two-shoes and realized that by himself at the end of SM1,Webb's Peter is immature(As teenagers are supposed to be) and will learn that later

Not all teenagers are immature, and that's not even a great excuse. He does one intelligent thing and then takes two steps back. That's lazy writing when you do that to a hero. That's the progression Clark Kent took in Smallville. That's how bad the writing is when I can use SV as an example.

its as if people dont realize this. What in the eff? Lol thats not lazy writing. Its organic teenager traits. Do they not get the bitter sweet ending?. Lol george stacey died in the comics from falling debris, from doc ock. Pete in the comics was a bit older than webbs peter. So you would think he would no better on principle alone not to go anywhere near her after that incident but we all know how that went down.

Your posts are filled with fanboy remarks and 'lol's. Just letting you know, and I find it hilarious.

You DON'T build up a conversation where Captain Stacy makes Peter promise that he'll stay away from Gwen and then flip the whole thing around at the very last minute. If you don't think that's lazy writing, then no wonder you think certain movies are awful and certain movies aren't.

 

[Spiderdevil]

You think. Just because we only saw it happen once.

No,It was happened countless times in the comics

They got together. There'd be no reason to have that one line if we weren't to acknowledge that they got back together behind Captain Stacy's wish. It even works with "Those are best kind" from Captain Stacy's dying wish to Peter.

No they dont,they arent shown together

We don't know if there will be terrible consequences as much as we don't know if Peter will find the killer or what he will do to the killer, especially now if Electro becomes the villain to the sequel and Green Goblin is pushed back.

There wouldnt have been an MJ casting if that wasnt the case

Not all teenagers are immature, and that's not even a great excuse. He does one intelligent thing and then takes two steps back. That's lazy writing when you do that to a hero. That's the progression Clark Kent took in Smallville. That's how bad the writing is when I can use SV as an example.

Most of the teenagers are immature
And how many times will I have to say this.It is part of the story,he will learn the consequences later

You DON'T build up a conversation where Captain Stacy makes Peter promise that he'll stay away from Gwen and then flip the whole thing around at the very last minute. If you don't think that's lazy writing, then no wonder you think certain movies are awful and certain movies aren't.

We arent even sure if it was flipped

 

[Mike]

You think. Just because we only saw it happen once.



They got together. There'd be no reason to have that one line if we weren't to acknowledge that they got back together behind Captain Stacy's wish. It even works with "Those are best kind" from Captain Stacy's dying wish to Peter.



We don't know if there will be terrible consequences as much as we don't know if Peter will find the killer or what he will do to the killer, especially now if Electro becomes the villain to the sequel and Green Goblin is pushed back.



Not all teenagers are immature, and that's not even a great excuse. He does one intelligent thing and then takes two steps back. That's lazy writing when you do that to a hero. That's the progression Clark Kent took in Smallville. That's how bad the writing is when I can use SV as an example.



Your posts are filled with fanboy remarks and 'lol's. Just letting you know, and I find it hilarious.

You DON'T build up a conversation where Captain Stacy makes Peter promise that he'll stay away from Gwen and then flip the whole thing around at the very last minute. If you don't think that's lazy writing, then no wonder you think certain movies are awful and certain movies aren't.

im a huge comic fanboy this is correct. But what seperates me from you. Is that im actually having fun debating with you. What else am i gonna do? Go back to ripping off mob dealers? YOU COMPLETE ME! Lol From one fan boy to another."Cheers Mate!"

 

[Anno_Domini]

No,It was happened countless times in the comics

One time in TAS-M is what I am referring to. And having done it in the comics is not a reason why you should think Peter will do the same with Ben's killer.

No they dont,they arent shown together

Do you seriously think that line didn't mean for them to get back together?

What was that line intended for then, huh? To be friends? Gwen's face lighting up and smiling did not look like a "Yay, we're friends now" look.

There wouldnt have been an MJ casting if that wasnt the case

Mary Jane can be used as a friend, or even as Harry Osborn's girlfriend who's also a character that's going to be cast for the sequel. Bringing in MJ does not solidify Gwen's death. How would you explain Spider-Man 3 with MJ and Gwen being used?

Most of the teenagers are immature
And how many times will I have to say this.It is part of the story,he will learn the consequences later

Later? That's as much of a 'What If' scenario as me wondering if Peter will just let the killer go.

We arent even sure if it was flipped

It was.

 

[Anno_Domini]

im a huge comic fanboy this is correct. But what seperates me from you. Is that im actually having fun debating with you. What else am i gonna do? Go back to ripping off mob dealers? YOU COMPLETE ME! Lol From one fan boy to another."Cheers Mate!"

This is borderline fanboy debating psychosis.

 

[Mike]

This is borderline fanboy debating psychosis.

dont talk like them youre not one of them.

 

[AF3619]

Remember when this thread was about The Amazing Spiderman Bluray?

 

[Troy_Parker]

I ended up debating with my friends about the "Promises" line at the end. I thought it was stupid and made Peter seem selfish for breaking the promise he made to a dying man just a night (?) ago. But then I realised (with some help from my friends... )... that that's exactly why they had him say "BUT THOSE ARE THE BEST KIND.", it's why they had him break Stacy's promise. Peter thinks he's on top of the world... and at that point in the movie, he is, but because he went back on his promise and got close to Gwen again, he's going to pay for it. He pretty much sealed her fate, imo.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I ended up debating with my friends about the "Promises" line at the end. I thought it was stupid and made Peter seem selfish for breaking the promise he made to a dying man just a night (?) ago. But then I realised (with some help from my friends... )... that that's exactly why they had him say "BUT THOSE ARE THE BEST KIND.", it's why they had him break Stacy's promise. Peter thinks he's on top of the world... and at that point in the movie, he is, but because he went back on his promise and got close to Gwen again, he's going to pay for it. He pretty much sealed her fate, imo.

A fate that may not even come to fruition until the third installment now with Electro being rumored as the villain. If Green Goblin wasn't going to show up in the sequel, they should've kept Peter keeping Captain Stacy's promise until the second film and build up to a conclusion where Peter and Gwen get back together. Flipping the promise at the very last minute was a very anti-climatic moment after we saw a bit of a montage of Peter staying away from Gwen.