The Amazing Spider-Man ASM Blu-ray: Most Wanted Features and Extras

[Troy_Parker]

I think as long as they're certain on killing her off, it's fine.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I don't feel the same way, lol, but to each their own. I feel that the writers had a chance to create something worthwhile for Gwen Stacy if they didn't kill her off in the sequel with giving her some story in trying to get Peter back instead of the hero vying for the girl while GG could appear in the third and then kill Gwen.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Eh, they got the audience to fall in love with Gwen (which is more than I can say for MJ in Spider-Man 1-3...). If they got the audience to invest in her, they'll hit them hard when they kill her off.

 

[Scarlettess]

You DON'T build up a conversation where Captain Stacy makes Peter promise that he'll stay away from Gwen and then flip the whole thing around at the very last minute. If you don't think that's lazy writing, then no wonder you think certain movies are awful and certain movies aren't.

I'm just going to add to this bit, it's not lazy writing (neccesarily), it's conventional movie structure. They NEEDED the movie to end on a high note, with the protagonist in a 'happy' state, and that was it. Especially IF we are to consider the possibility of them killing Gwen in the second film, they could even break the conventional rule (which I doubt they will) and have a depressing ending for our hero (which, in the 3 act story of a trilogy would ultimately end on a high at the end of ASM3)

Anywho that's all I really wanted to say on the matter, is it may not have neccesarily been a good move, but it was abiding the rules of having a happy ending, leaving the audience satisfied when walking out the theatre blah blah blah.....
my point is it wasn't neccesarily a WANT but a NEED to have that scene there.

 

[AF3619]

A fate that may not even come to fruition until the third installment now with Electro being rumored as the villain. If Green Goblin wasn't going to show up in the sequel, they should've kept Peter keeping Captain Stacy's promise until the second film and build up to a conclusion where Peter and Gwen get back together. Flipping the promise at the very last minute was a very anti-climatic moment after we saw a bit of a montage of Peter staying away from Gwen.

something i´ve heard people complain is about that phrase , did he actually broke the promise? or was the promise really possible to make?,i mean she is one of the only people who knows his secret and goes to the same school,they love each other, but as friends,not in a relationship

 

[Anno_Domini]

Eh, they got the audience to fall in love with Gwen (which is more than I can say for MJ in Spider-Man 1-3...). If they got the audience to invest in her, they'll hit them hard when they kill her off.

Well for sure they got the audience invested into a strong-willed female character. That's one thing they did really well, well two: they got the audience into the female love interest while making her a very strong-willed woman.

I'm just going to add to this bit, it's not lazy writing (neccesarily), it's conventional movie structure. They NEEDED the movie to end on a high note, with the protagonist in a 'happy' state, and that was it. Especially IF we are to consider the possibility of them killing Gwen in the second film, they could even break the conventional rule (which I doubt they will) and have a depressing ending for our hero (which, in the 3 act story of a trilogy would ultimately end on a high at the end of ASM3)

Anywho that's all I really wanted to say on the matter, is it may not have neccesarily been a good move, but it was abiding the rules of having a happy ending, leaving the audience satisfied when walking out the theatre blah blah blah.....
my point is it wasn't neccesarily a WANT but a NEED to have that scene there.

It may not be a happy ending for Peter, but keeping someone's dying wish should end the film on a happy note right there. Flipping it around possibly made some people scratch their heads and ask why Peter actually did such a thing as it's more selfish-happy than straight up happy-happy.

something i´ve heard people complain is about that phrase , did he actually broke the promise? or was the promise really possible to make?,i mean she is one of the only people who knows his secret and goes to the same school,they love each other, but as friends,not in a relationship

I think the ending meant they were going to be in a relationship again. They weren't even friends at first and Captain Stacy knew they went right into a relationship and that's why he asked Peter to stay away from her. I don't see how they just decided to stay as friends with that last scene.

 

[AF3619]

I think the ending meant they were going to be in a relationship again. They weren't even friends at first and Captain Stacy knew they went right into a relationship and that's why he asked Peter to stay away from her. I don't see how they just decided to stay as friends with that last scene.

BUT he didn´t broke the promise....yet, i mean , Capt. Stacy died and Peter can´t talk to Gwen she was sad,plus she knew her dad told Peter to stay away from her and i think Peter felt bad , so he told her that to make her feel better, in the context of the promises thing... but he will and he´ll learn from that mistake

 

[Scarlettess]

It may not be a happy ending for Peter, but keeping someone's dying wish should end the film on a happy note right there. Flipping it around possibly made some people scratch their heads and ask why Peter actually did such a thing as it's more selfish-happy than straight up happy-happy.

I think the ending meant they were going to be in a relationship again. They weren't even friends at first and Captain Stacy knew they went right into a relationship and that's why he asked Peter to stay away from her. I don't see how they just decided to stay as friends with that last scene.

Yeah but you said it yourself, it wouldn't have been a happy ending for Peter. I'm not disagreeing with you though, just giving some hopefully helpful knowledge of what I know from film-making. I admit the first time I saw ASM it even had me screaming 'WHY PETER?!' in the theatre. (inside my head of course.) I agree with your previous post too that if they are using Electro, it would have been better having the 'flip-around' happen in ASM2, but like I said it's all convention and keeping ur audience happy. Him breaking Capt Promise thus hinting at a continued relationship with Gwen puts the audience in a happy position too(or should do). An alternative would have been to have Gwen pursue him but then that would have been too much like SM2's ending maybe.

edit: also technically Peter didn't actually say yes when capt asked him to stay away.

edit 2: woops forgot about the second part. I forgot to say I agree, leaving like an ending like that, I guarantee you that we'll come into ASM2 with them already back together and 'happy'.

 

[spider-neil]

I think people do Dunst a disservice. Okay, she grew 'really' unlikeable by movie 3 but I quite liked her in SM1 and give the girl props, the rain sequence is pretty iconic.

 

[Anno_Domini]

BUT he didn´t broke the promise....yet, i mean , Capt. Stacy died and Peter can´t talk to Gwen she was sad,plus she knew her dad told Peter to stay away from her and i think Peter felt bad , so he told her that to make her feel better, in the context of the promises thing... but he will and he´ll learn from that mistake

Yet? Captain Stacy didn't tell Peter to stay away from Gwen for a few weeks. Even after trying to speak to Gwen a few weeks or whatever since her dad's death is still breaking a promise.

Yeah but you said it yourself, it wouldn't have been a happy ending for Peter. I'm not disagreeing with you though, just giving some hopefully helpful knowledge of what I know from film-making. I admit the first time I saw ASM it even had me screaming 'WHY PETER?!' in the theatre. (inside my head of course.) I agree with your previous post too that if they are using Electro, it would have been better having the 'flip-around' happen in ASM2, but like I said it's all convention and keeping ur audience happy. Him breaking Capt Promise thus hinting at a continued relationship with Gwen puts the audience in a happy position too(or should do). An alternative would have been to have Gwen pursue him but then that would have been too much like SM2's ending maybe.

edit: also technically Peter didn't actually say yes when capt asked him to stay away.

edit 2: woops forgot about the second part. I forgot to say I agree, leaving like an ending like that, I guarantee you that we'll come into ASM2 with them already back together and 'happy'.

To a point, though, Peter did say yes without saying it since he did stay away from her until his aunt spoke to him. I'm glad someone agrees with me though that perhaps stretching it out would've been more helpful with Gwen trying to go after Peter rather the other way around and not flipping everything around at the last minute, but I do get your point how it works with the film as letting Sandman flying away and forgiving him, while an awful, awful move, worked for the thematic element of Spider-Man 3.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I think people do Dunst a disservice. Okay, she grew 'really' unlikeable by movie 3 but I quite liked her in SM1 and give the girl props, the rain sequence is pretty iconic.

Her wet shirt was more iconic in the scene than her acting chops.

 

[AF3619]

Her wet shirt was more iconic in the scene than her acting chops.

true

 

[Spiderdevil]

One time in TAS-M is what I am referring to. And having done it in the comics is not a reason why you should think Peter will do the same with Ben's killer.

I am just saying that not having contacts in the police doesnt mean he cant give them the killer

Do you seriously think that line didn't mean for them to get back together?

Yeah
They werent shown together after that

Mary Jane can be used as a friend, or even as Harry Osborn's girlfriend who's also a character that's going to be cast for the sequel. Bringing in MJ does not solidify Gwen's death. How would you explain Spider-Man 3 with MJ and Gwen being used?

It does for me.If not in 2 then most certainly in 3.Webb hinted at that aswell
As for SM3,it was a ridiculous script,Gwen was just bought in as a jelousy tool

Later? That's as much of a 'What If' scenario as me wondering if Peter will just let the killer go.

Saying they are together is a 'What if?' as well
We arent sure of anything right now
Okay if Gwen doesnt end up dying in this trilogy,I will then agree to you that this was a bad decision.At present it is in sync with the plot

 

[Picard Sisko]

I think people do Dunst a disservice. Okay, she grew 'really' unlikeable by movie 3 but I quite liked her in SM1 and give the girl props, the rain sequence is pretty iconic.

Outside of Spider-Man 3, I have no problems with her. I loved her in the first Spider-Man movie (and that upside down kiss in the rain makes me tear sometimes), and in Spider-Man 2, she was still alright. She just became annoying in Spider-Man 3, and that's how most people remember her since that is fresh in their minds. Geez, Spider-Man 2 was 8 years ago... feels less than that

 

[Scarlettess]

Her wet shirt was more iconic in the scene than her acting chops.

actually I would say it was more her...erm...hardened nips under the wet shirt.

joking aside, I agree, Dunst was great in the first one, and was okay in the second. (Granted the ending scene in the doorway makes up for any subpar performance by her). To be fair, it wasn't her fault, it was the freaking screenwriters why she gets so much hate from the fans. She was just acting as she was written/directed too....which to some is two words that I'd rather not say on here that begin with a b and a w.

 

[Spider-Who?]

What exactly did Capt. Stacey tell Peter? I don't quite recall, but I'm pretty sure there was some grey area. Didn't he just tell Peter to keep Gwen out of "it" - ie his Spider-Man stuff? I don't recall him saying anything like "stay away from Gwen, don't talk to her, don't even look at her". Sure, that could have been Stacey's intention, but his words were pretty grey.

In any case, Peter's line about promises at the end of the film doesn't cement anything. He hasn't broken any promises yet. Of course, breaking that promise will only make Gwen's eventual death even worse for him. But personally, I see the majority of ASM2 being Peter struggling with keeping that promise. He WANT'S to keep it, but his youthful love makes it extremely difficult. I think this "what are we - friends, bf and gf" dynamic between the two will be a focal point in the sequel, and when they finally say "enough! we love each other and can make this work" is when Gwen dies.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I am just saying that not having contacts in the police doesnt mean he cant give them the killer

No, but it could be a reason he can't if the police are after him. Having Captain Stacy die is a possible way to get the police hating Spider-Man, thus much harder to just drop off a robber and a killer at their doorstep.

Yeah
They werent shown together after that

What other scene was there after the classroom scene? Did you expect Gwen Stacy to be patrolling NY with Spidey? Would that have made you think that they got back together? An extra scene wasn't needed as the little scene quickly hinted at that, yes, they were getting back together. In any case, even Aunt May's speech would make no sense if they just became friends.

It does for me.If not in 2 then most certainly in 3.Webb hinted at that aswell
As for SM3,it was a ridiculous script,Gwen was just bought in as a jelousy tool

"If not in 2". You answered yourself. Bringing in MJ in the sequel does not even guarantee Gwen's death. Gwen could die later as in the third, which seems to be looking like that if Electro is the villain in the sequel. Bringing in Mary Jane only builds up the mythology, and that seems to be just that for TAS-M 2.

And the S-M 3 question was more rhetorical than actually needing an answer t:

Saying they are together is a 'What if?' as well
We arent sure of anything right now
Okay if Gwen doesnt end up dying in this trilogy,I will then agree to you that this was a bad decision.At present it is in sync with the plot

If she doesn't die in the sequel it will be a bad decision as they could have built up that tension in a sequel for them to finally get back together, in which they already have, and a third film could be the Death of Gwen Stacy. It would make a lot more sense then if they got back together and Electro is the main villain for the sequel.

actually I would say it was more her...erm...hardened nips under the wet shirt.

joking aside, I agree, Dunst was great in the first one, and was okay in the second. (Granted the ending scene in the doorway makes up for any subpar performance by her). To be fair, it wasn't her fault, it was the freaking screenwriters why she gets so much hate from the fans. She was just acting as she was written/directed too....which to some is two words that I'd rather not say on here that begin with a b and a w.

I would have to say in my opinion I'd switch the views between the first film and the second, but yes, it had to do with the writing. I mean, any great actor can be awful with a poorly written script. Take for example, Righteous Kill. Are Pacino and De Niro bad actors? No, the script was.

 

[Spiderdevil]

No, but it could be a reason he can't if the police are after him. Having Captain Stacy die is a possible way to get the police hating Spider-Man, thus much harder to just drop off a robber and a killer at their doorstep.

Police are already looking for the Killer(They have his sketch and information and everthing),it wont be hard to get him caught

What other scene was there after the classroom scene? Did you expect Gwen Stacy to be patrolling NY with Spidey? Would that have made you think that they got back together? An extra scene wasn't needed as the little scene quickly hinted at that, yes, they were getting back together. In any case, even Aunt May's speech would make no sense if they just became friends.

Something like the ending of SM2 and SM3,nothing of that sort
Instead we saw him roaming alone and Uncle Ben's speech and the final swing
The Aunt May speech and the two lines "I am not good enough for her' and 'Those are the best kind' and also him sending Gwen off,Shows him struggling with his innerself,with his will to keep the promise and his love for her.Thats exactly how a teenager would react
He is not mature enough as yet,he doesnt realize the importance of Stacy's promise and he will learn that when she dies,it will just deepen the agony and make him more mature
As of now,everything is going how it is supposed to with respect to the trilogy,if Gwen doesnt end up dying later,I will agree to your point then

"If not in 2". You answered yourself. Bringing in MJ in the sequel does not even guarantee Gwen's death. Gwen could die later as in the third, which seems to be looking like that if Electro is the villain in the sequel. Bringing in Mary Jane only builds up the mythology, and that seems to be just that for TAS-M 2.

Bringing in MJ guarantees her death somewhere in the trilogy,and thats what matters.Her death
Its not necessary for her to die in TASM#2
Its good enough as long as she dies

If she doesn't die in the sequel it will be a bad decision as they could have built up that tension in a sequel for them to finally get back together, in which they already have, and a third film could be the Death of Gwen Stacy. It would make a lot more sense then if they got back together and Electro is the main villain for the sequel.

All of that can still happen

 

[Anno_Domini]

Police are already looking for the Killer(They have his sketch and information and everthing),it wont be hard to get him caught

And yet they'd be more focus on taking down Spidey just like in this film where they were more focused on a vigilante than a giant lizard.

Something like the ending of SM2 and SM3,nothing of that sort
Instead we saw him roaming alone and Uncle Ben's speech and the final swing
The Aunt May speech and the two lines "I am not good enough for her' and 'Those are the best kind' and also him sending Gwen off,Shows him struggling with his innerself,with his will to keep the promise and his love for her.Thats exactly how a teenager would react
He is not mature enough as yet,he doesnt realize the importance of Stacy's promise and he will learn that when she dies,it will just deepen the agony and make him more mature
As of now,everything is going how it is supposed to with respect to the trilogy,if Gwen doesnt end up dying later,I will agree to your point then

None of this really adds to your point where you think Peter didn't get back with Gwen at the end of TAS-M, lol.

Bringing in MJ guarantees her death somewhere in the trilogy,and thats what matters.Her death
Its not necessary for her to die in TASM#2
Its good enough as long as she dies

So....you would think if Mary Jane never showed up that Gwen Stacy would stay alive? That's weird thinking. More characters are needed to keep a series going fresh, plain and simple.

And it may not be necessary for her to die in a sequel, but it would've made much more sense since Peter and Gwen got back together at the last minute.

All of that can still happen

Yah...no. That's not gonna happen. Peter spoke to Gwen. If Peter stayed ignoring Gwen and keeping her away, I could see Gwen trying to win Peter back, but everything seemed just fine at the end of TAS-M.

 

[Thwip!]

Remember when this thread was about The Amazing Spiderman Bluray?

Those were the days

 

[©KAW]

Ironically enough, I actually have a ASM Bluray question. Did anyone who has reviewed it actually say that the 5-minute Lizard scene is on it?

 

[AF3619]

Ironically enough, I actually have a ASM Bluray question. Did anyone who has reviewed it actually say that the 5-minute Lizard scene is on it?

the Lizard lab scene is in there and a review said that the Bluray is good
Picture: 4/5
Sound:5/5
Extras:4/5
i think....

 

[©KAW]

Not bad, but is the scene actually inserted into the film itself, or an extra bonus feature/scene unto itself?

 

[AF3619]

Not bad, but is the scene actually inserted into the film itself, or an extra bonus feature/scene unto itself?

Extra..there should be a Feature that inmediatly inserts them and replace the other takes

 

[©KAW]

So we don't know for certain that it's indeed automatically inserted into the film by the filmmakers?

Is there any filmed parts with Connor's Wife and Billy?

Never really saw a feature that inserted scenes for you, maybe that's because I just like watching the movie and skip pass the extra stuff.