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Avengers Academy

I don't know why he'd want Pym Particles, but check out the chest emblem--circle with lines coming out and wrapping around the shoulders--and the little outlines on the arms. All elements present on Steve's new costume.

To be fair, plenty of people wore Steve's OLD costume who weren't him, either. Or variations of it. :word:

Seriously. If anything, I'd say giving Steve some Pym Particles would only slow him down.

Indeed. He doesn't need that noise. He could defeat Galactus with just a sneer. :o
 
Liars, the lot of you. I refuse to believe you're not champing at the bit to see Steve do his ridiculous acrobatics when he's the size of a skyscraper. Have Godzilla attack or something. It'd totally be worth it. :o
 
Liars, the lot of you. I refuse to believe you're not champing at the bit to see Steve do his ridiculous acrobatics when he's the size of a skyscraper. Have Godzilla attack or something. It'd totally be worth it. :o

It's been done already at the end of The Kang Dynasty, except it was in space.....
 
But Marvel's resident creator of Godzilla knock-offs, Dr. Takiguchi, died.

Damn you, Cyclops!
 
Liars, the lot of you. I refuse to believe you're not champing at the bit to see Steve do his ridiculous acrobatics when he's the size of a skyscraper. Have Godzilla attack or something. It'd totally be worth it. :o

That'd be so silly that I can only accept it happening if the tone of the story was light. That sort of thing happening in a story meant to be taken seriously doesn't work. Red Skull was grown to giant size at the end of CAPTAIN AMERICA REBORN #6 and I only groaned and thought, "You have GOT to be kidding me."

BATMAN: THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD can do wonky stuff because it sets up the tone early that everything isn't serious. Same with a lot of stuff Fred Van Lente writes. AVENGERS ACADEMY for the most part isn't that. Things are usually taken seriously. That isn't to say there aren't any comedic interludes, but it's not a title in which someone could be transformed into a cat and it'd be played for laughs, whereas in a PRINCE OF POWER book, it would be. Much as I can expect anything to happen in a JAY & SILENT BOB movie, but if all of a sudden in a Jerry Bruckheimer legal thriller, suddenly the judge grew to 60 feet tall, I'd think they were on drugs.

It also isn't organic. Hank Pym is a part of the regular cast, and appears in every issue. Steve Rogers isn't.

Besides, Steve Rogers doesn't need super powers or special particles, they'd only slow him down.
 
I hope this new Giant-Man is a new student, who Pym is passing the name Giant-Man down to. And I do see the similarities to Steve's new costume but some artists arent that good at coming up with original designs.
 
Oh and on a side note, I wish O'Grady would get "his" Ant-man costume back. They better explain why O'Grady is wearing Scott Lang Ant-man suit in the mini coming up. There is a lot to explain and there are reasons that could be brought to light as to why O'Grady is no longer in his irredeemable Ant-man suit. O'Grady's original suit was made by Pym, but it was Skrull-Pym during the Secret Invasion. I'd like to see what Pym thought about Skrull-Pyms version of Ant-man.
 
I hope this new Giant-Man is a new student, who Pym is passing the name Giant-Man down to. And I do see the similarities to Steve's new costume but some artists arent that good at coming up with original designs.
A new Giant-Man, Jr. would be cool. :up:
 
It is kind of a shame we haven't seen more of Tom Foster, Bill Foster's nephew and the new Goliath. He's working with Damage Control, Inc, but he could always join a team somewhere. Marvel just doesn't handle a lot of young characters or legacies well at all. Iron Fist, Captain America and 3-D Man (!) are usually the exceptions, not the rule.

Hank Pym's grown to "giant" size in his Wasp persona, so if he goes back to his Giant-Man identity, then there has to be some sort of reason for it. Has he decided that after months of using Janet's identity, he's honored her enough? Of course, for all we know it could be some sort of tease, like he only dons the costume for an exercise or something.

I do agree that I'd like to see O'Grady return to the "GI Ant-Man" suit. I don't care for the retro look for him. The proper way to handle a legacy is to have someone honor the original, while being unique. Such as, say, James Barnes or Delroy Garret having different costume designs (even if slightly) than the originals.
 
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Actually, I'm very surprised Lang hasn't been revived yet. If Janet comes back before him, it'll be a damn shame.
 
Gage's Giant-Sized Plans for "Avengers Academy"

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CBR: Christos, let's kick things off by talking a little bit about your main cast of characters and the bombshell you dropped recently. In the letter column of issue #3, you revealed that at least one of the students of “Avengers Academy” is going to become a villain. How far out do you have this series planned? Can we expect this villainous turn to happen soon? Further on down the line? Or when we least expect it?

CHRISTOS GAGE: I have a pretty good idea of where I'm going, but I'm giving myself flexibility in terms of how and when to get there. To me, the premise of this book is that you have a group of young superhumans who are at a crossroads in life. Depending on the choices they make, they could become heroes or villains, and the tension comes from the fact that they're at serious risk of going the villainous route. Given that, I think it would be a cop-out for all of them to ultimately choose the heroic path. Hence my promise that at least one of them is going to go bad. As for when, I'd go with "when you least expect it!"

For the first six issues of “Avengers Academy,” you’re spotlighting a different trainee in each issue. We've only really gotten to know three characters so far, and of those three three, the character that seems like they're most destined for villainy is the polymath known as Finesse. We've certainly seen how manipulative and cunning she is. Have we seen all the facets of her personality? Is there some good in Finesse right now? And if not, do you think she's capable of learning how to be good? Or is that one skill that's going to prove hard for her to master?

Finesse is interesting to me because I don't think she's good or evil, per se. Right now she's more amoral. She's someone who craves information, all she can get, and that's what led her to blackmail Quicksilver into teaching her the lessons Magneto taught him as a boy in the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. She's also eagerly absorbing the lessons of how to be a hero that Hank Pym and the others are teaching her. She's stockpiling information and skills. What she ultimately does with them is the big question. But there is something ominous about her, isn't there? When Mike McKone designed her, he described her as "evil Audrey Hepburn," which I absolutely love.

Now let's talk a little bit about the faculty of “Avengers Academy.” It seems like Speedball is not as mentally healed as he's claiming to be. In issue #3 it looked like he's still cutting himself?
Speedball has made a lot of positive changes in his life but he still definitely has issues. He's learning that you can't change what you've experienced just by changing clothes. He's trying, but it's hard. Tied into that is the fact that his Penance powers - his kinetic energy blasts, which are more effective as a weapon than his Speedball powers - are activated by pain. So he doesn't feel he can just leave Penance behind, or some of the things that came with being Penance. To me, Speedball is one of the more interesting characters. He's on a difficult journey, and it'll be interesting to see how he faces the challenges involved.


As you mentioned, Finesses blackmailed Quicksilver into agreeing to teach her some of the lessons his father Magneto taught him as a member of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. Why is Quicksilver allowing Finesse to blackmail him? Why doesn't he come clean to his fellow instructors? Or use his powers to launch a surprise attack on her? Is there something in him that's actually interested in and excited by the chance to teach the lessons his father taught him?

Now that's an interesting question. We'll be exploring the Quicksilver/Finesse relationship in upcoming issues, so I don't want to say too much, but you seem to be picking up on things I've definitely considered. There's also the fact that it's not so easy for him to trump her as you might think. Attacking her physically will do no good, unless he plans to kill her, and he's not that guy; not yet, anyway. And if he comes clean about her, she'd tell the world he was never replaced by a Skrull - it was actually him who made those horrible mistakes - and he'd be as hated as his father. I love the dynamic between them and we'll definitely be seeing more of it.


Currently, the cast of “Avengers Academy” is on a field trip gone wrong to the Vault, in the three-part crossover with “Thunderbolts” called “Scared Straight.” What can readers expect from “Avengers Academy” #4, which is in stores September 22 and the final chapter of the story?

[This story’s] about three of the kids coming face to face with Norman Osborn, the man who tortured them and in many ways made them what they are. It's about what they'll do to get revenge versus what they'll do to cling to the hope of being normal. And it's about what the consequences will be for a very serious act they've committed.

From the solicits it sounds like “Avengers Academy” #5 is going to have some personal moments for Hank Pym in that the Whirlwind attacks Avengers Academy because he blames Pym for the death of Janet Van Dyne. And recently it was revealed that Pym would abandon his current Wasp identity and become Giant-Man again. Are these two things a coincidence?

They're related. I don't want to say more so as to avoid spoilers, but Hank will soon be rethinking his approach to Janet's legacy, as well as his own.


What can you tell us about your reasons for turning Pym back into

Giant-Man? It seems like he just assumed the identity of the Wasp, and it seemed like since he assumed the identity as a way of honoring Janet Van Dyne, that it would last for awhile.

Hitting your last point first, issue #7 explores Hank's feelings about Janet, himself and his costumed identity (as well as a massive fight between Giant-Man and the Absorbing Man!). So I don't want to give the in-story reasons away. But as for my external reasons for making him Giant-Man again, well, it just seemed right. I'd been thinking a lot about Hank. He's a founding Avenger, a classic Silver Age Marvel character, and I thought about when he works best. And I realized that whenever you see a version of the Avengers from a parallel world, or the future, or another dimension, the creators - no matter who they are - make him Giant-Man. Not any of his other identities. Giant-Man.



He's Giant-Man in the upcoming cartoon. That seems to be the role in which people respond to him the most, from a visceral, "that's so cool!" standpoint. I know that's true for me, and it seems to be true for most others as well. So I decided to go back to what I think is his purest form as a character. A guy who grows giant. It's simple, its awesome, and it works. Of course, there's a complex character wrapped up in all that, but when you get right down to it I felt like Hank becoming Giant-Man fit with the “Heroic Age” ideal of the Avengers getting back to their best; what made them great.
 
It doesn't sound temporary. Gage seems to consider Giant-Man his best identity. As much as I love the idea of having him be the Wasp to honor Jan, I agree. Ant-Man is more Scott Lang's at this point, Goliath could be Hank, Hawkeye, or one of the Fosters, Yellowjacket is tainted and could arguably be considered more Rita DeMarr's now as well, and the Wasp is Jan's; but no one else is "Giant-Man." He's been Giant-Man for some of my favorite appearances, from the Harras era to Avengers Forever, and the image of Giant-Man trundling around over New York is so powerful that Busiek and Ross decided to use it as one of the most recognizable images from Marvels. Giant-Man's a good identity. It fits Hank well, it's totally his own still, and it feels right for the Heroic Age ostensibly getting characters back to their roots.

And I just noticed that McKone brought back the three rectangles over each ear. Oddly enough, that was my favorite part of the classic Giant-Man costume, so I'm glad they're back. :hehe:
 
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As Giant-Man, did he ever shrink down at all? I think getting small would be so much more useful that getting big. But w/e, guess this means O'Grady won :D
 
He shrank and grew under pretty much every name. He's been growing more and more as the Wasp, even, despite the fact that that makes no sense. Take into account Pym's psychology, too. He has an inferiority complex, so growing to giant size would probably be the more natural thing for him to do in most situations--overcompensate for how small he thinks he is by becoming bigger.

I really like the costume, too. I could've gone for some goggles instead of those creepy-looking antennae, but still, he looks good. :up:
 
I doubt Finesse will be "the one who goes evil" because it would be too obvious and I don't think Gage wants to pick the obvious one. For all we know, it could be Veil. Sometimes the purist ones are the ones who crack the most - just ask Hal Jordan (at least before the "fear demon" excuse became canonized). For the moment, Finesse and Striker are the two who seem the most likely to turn bad. Veil and Mettle are usually the best ones, with Hazmat in the middle and Reptil having had the most experience, but who could also go wild if his powers went haywire. However, Gage is right that at least one of them does have to become a villain; if they all pan out as heroes, than the Avengers look paranoid for their approach. However, if one of the kids does, sadly, live up to their concerns of villainy, than the approach wasn't an uneducated one, and they can go, "at least we saved the others". Helping 5 out of 6 is better than, say, 1 out of 6.

Quite a lot to look forward to here. Whirlwind being used properly will be good. And Gage has a fair point about Pym and the Giant-Man identity. The website THE APPENDIX TO THE HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE has profiles on at least 11 alternate Giant-Man identities, and that doesn't include Ultimate (who was Giant-Man). In contrast, they have only 4 alternate "Hank Pym" profiles from other dimensions/what if tales. Giant-Man was Pym's first alternate identity after Ant-Man, and virtually all of his other identities (Goliath, Yellowjacket) have utilized the growing schtick that was first used with Giant-Man.

While Gage has a point, I probably liked the "Dr. Pym" thing. He always uses all of his various schticks anyway, regardless of whatever identity he is using (growing, shrinking, controlling ants, having shrunken devices on him, etc.). I sort of always saw it as how very few people call Reed Richards "Mr. Fantastic" anymore and just call him Reed or Dr. Richards or so on. Who he is as a scientist has become far removed from his super power that a codename is almost window dressing. Pym, despite his various breakdowns or neurotic tics, is like that with the Avengers. He can wear whatever costume he wants, but regardless of the codename he always uses all of his tricks anyway, and comes up with more. While Pym was calling himself "the Wasp", most anyone just called him Pym anyway.

In terms of marketing, I imagine Marvel isn't against Gage's idea to return Pym to his Giant-Man guise in the only comic he appears in regularly around the same time as "AVENGERS: EARTH'S MIGHTIEST HEROES" debuts on Disney XD. Not saying that made it mandatory, but that they likely hardly mind it.

I don't care for the eyebrows, though. The suit overall it a bit too retro for me, even if McKone does a good job with it, and it has some tweaks. The similar chest symbol to Steve Rogers' new suit is perhaps not a coincidence, as they're both long time Avengers. Still, I do wish that more had been done to update the Giant-Man costume besides just tinker with the chest symbol and that's really it.
 

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