Avi Arad vs. Tom Rothman - Who's Worse

[psylockolussus]

Throwing her in because of a possible 1 bad movie is not fair, in my opinion.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I voted Rothman. Avi Arad is unquestionably a mixed bag. However, his role in keeping Marvel together in the 90s shouldn't be ignored. He also greenlit the 90s X-Men and Spider-Man cartoons (and Fantastic Four and Iron Man, but season 2 was better for both of those). Silver Surfer was pretty good too. Did all these cartoons succeed in spite of him? I find that somewhat hard to believe. At least in choosing the right people to run them, even if his ideas weren't their ideas. Given this, I can't put him below Rothman, who I've never heard anything positive said.

 

[smallville fan]

I'm not exactly sure what Tom Rothman did?

Even then, with all the new rumours regarding a Spidey appearance in the MCU and how much we want that to happen, there's only one person who's really stopping this from happening and it's Avi Arad as he wants to keep doing the same thing over and over again while Marvel Studios is making movies about talking Racoons and WB is trying their hand at a female-led superhero film and doing other characters other than Batman and Superman.

 

[Doc Ock]

My annoyance with Arad grows every day, Rothman is just a distant memory.

 

[smallville fan]

My annoyance with Arad grows every day, Rothman is just a distant memory.

Again, not really sure what Rothman did?

 

[Boom]

Arad.

Rothman at least had the decency to resign/get fired.

 

[smallville fan]

Arad.

Rothman at least had the decency to resign/get fired.

From what exactly? Sorry I really am unfamiliar with what he did.

 

[Doc Ock]

From what exactly? Sorry I really am unfamiliar with what he did.

He was at Fox and screwed with X-Men and probably the other superhero movies as well. I think he takes part of the blame for X3. I believe he was against the likes of Sentinels and storylines like Days of Future Past. I've somewhat forgotten the details myself so other people could probably explain it much much better.

 

[smallville fan]

He was at Fox and screwed with X-Men and probably the other superhero movies as well. I think he takes part of the blame for X3. I believe he was against the likes of Sentinels and storylines like Days of Future Past. I've somewhat forgotten the details myself so other people could probably explain it much much better.

So I googled around a bit, and I found this old thread:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=350055 aka The Full List of "Crimes" Committed by Fox's Tom Rothman

I see what he did there and yes good riddance to him. However the X-Men franchise got fixed up and Deadpool's happening etc. All is now good with Fox.

However with Avi Arad, he's still screwing with Spidey today and preventing him from soaring with the rest of his kin.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I think the difference is Arad's at least done some helpful things. He's probably done more things overall, which means he's done more terrible things too, but I can't think of much that Rothman's done that's positive.

 

[smallville fan]

I think the difference is Arad's at least done some helpful things. He's probably done more things overall, which means he's done more terrible things too, but I can't think of much that Rothman's done that's positive.

At least 10 years ago then I agree. However the landscape's changed. People are making films involving talking Racoons and a serious attempt is going to be made into making a female-led superhero film. Arad wants to keep doing the same thing over and over. People want something new.

 

[Hellion]

I don't even remember who I voted for...I'm just changing to both.

 

[Mike Murdock]

At least 10 years ago then I agree. However the landscape's changed. People are making films involving talking Racoons and a serious attempt is going to be made into making a female-led superhero film. Arad wants to keep doing the same thing over and over. People want something new.

I agree, but that means he's mostly mediocre rather than bad. And he's responsible (even if in spite of himself) for X-Men, Spider-Man, and Silver Surfer cartoons. He's had bad, he's had mediocre, but I think he's had good. Rotham has had mediocre and he's had bad.

In addition, the landscape has changed in other ways. One addition is we're not dependent on Sony to make a good comic book movie. It's a plus because we'd like to see Spider-Man be good, but there are other fish in the sea.

 

[DarthDaveBanner]

Arad is a lot like Frank Miller imo; responsible for some great things in the past but now pretty much a pain in the behind

 

[Donut]

No both suck equally option is a failure

 

[Doc Ock]

Arad is a lot like Frank Miller imo; responsible for some great things in the past but now pretty much a pain in the behind

Yeah, that is a good way to look at it.

 

[The Endless]

If Rothman was still head of Fox the X-Men franchise would still be in a mess. There would be no First Class, The Wolverine, DoFP, Deadpool, Apocalypse.

And it wasn't just superhero films he butchered. He forced Ridley Scott to rip the guts out of Kingdom of Heaven and turn it into a rom/com action adventure.

 

[TMC1982]

Arad is a lot like Frank Miller imo; responsible for some great things in the past but now pretty much a pain in the behind

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=30085657&postcount= 959

People defend him by saying that he had to make the deals he did, but any fool could have done better. He let studios have the rights in perpetuity instead of adding clauses that would have return them to Marvel after a set period of time. He also made deals that paid Marvel very little on even the most lucrative franchises.

Arad saved Marvel but left it in a very poor position. Had Kevin Feige not taken control of the studio at the age of 34 and proven to be a brilliant visionary, Marvel would eventually have gone under anyway. Arad delusionally claims that he is more responsible than Feige for Marvel's success but everyone in Hollywood knows better.

 

[smallville fan]

I feel this thread should be bumped back up in light of recent news. Now that Rothman's mark on Fox is pretty much gone with future Fox films moving forward, I take it here everyone is definitely putting Arad on the wanted list?

 

[Scarlet Spider]

The two can't really be compared because they've both held /hold different positions of power. Arad's just a producer. Rothman on the other hand was a studio head. Arad's equivalent would be Lauren Shuler Donner and Rothman's would be Amy Pascal.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I feel this thread should be bumped back up in light of recent news. Now that Rothman's mark on Fox is pretty much gone with future Fox films moving forward, I take it here everyone is definitely putting Arad on the wanted list?

Well, there hasn't been anything new since the last time this thread was here (yes, a lot of buzz about things being discussed, but no new movie). I'll say what I said before, Arad has some good things in his career to make up for the negative things (he had a longer time). Rothman never really did anything good. But there's still more opportunities for Arad to drag things down farther. If he does, he'll be worse. But I don't think we've quite gotten to that point.

 

[smallville fan]

Well, there hasn't been anything new since the last time this thread was here (yes, a lot of buzz about things being discussed, but no new movie). I'll say what I said before, Arad has some good things in his career to make up for the negative things (he had a longer time). Rothman never really did anything good. But there's still more opportunities for Arad to drag things down farther. If he does, he'll be worse. But I don't think we've quite gotten to that point.

With all the recent Sony news, I feel that he's already doing that now.

 

[Mike Murdock]

All the behind the scene wrangling only has meaning when transformed into a final product (or in its failure to become a final product). It's still too early to know what the future will hold.

And, for all we know, every year has events like this in the background. The Sony hack is an unprecedented window into a world normally kept secret. In the past, we judged it based on what the results were. I don't see any reason to change that now.

 

[TMC1982]

Arad is a lot like Frank Miller imo; responsible for some great things in the past but now pretty much a pain in the behind

Another analogy regarding Avi Arad:

Avi Arad is the George Lucas of the 2010s, he was once of the most brilliant creative minds in Hollywood who's name was regularly associated with quality, however greed has lead him to run his projects like a business, and thus has tarnished his name. His accomplishments cannot be denied, he was even a producer on Iron Man!

 

[TMC1982]

The two can't really be compared because they've both held /hold different positions of power. Arad's just a producer. Rothman on the other hand was a studio head. Arad's equivalent would be Lauren Shuler Donner and Rothman's would be Amy Pascal.

Was Tom Rothman (I in all honesty, don't know how much of a considerable negative effect or influence Lauren Shuler Donner has had over the worst aspects of the X-Men films thus far) around when Fox put out the decidedly underwhelming Fantastic Four films from Tim Story, the 2003 Daredevil film along w/ Elektra?