Avi is no superhero.

[Mister Gone]

I just got back from X-Men 3 and I have to say we may have a lot to worry about as far as keeping Spider-Man 3 true to the comics. Every time some one brings up an idea that has some proof behind it but strays from canon, folks use Avi Arid as proof that it will stay true to the comics.
Anyone who has seen X-Men 3 (which should be the vast majority of folks posting) knows that even though AA was involved, there were a lot of liberties taken with the story. Now, I am by no means a purist when it comes to superhero flicks, but a lot of people here are. We may need to start recognizing the more outlandish claims as possability, if the peices fit. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

 

[Secret_Riddle]

avi arad has made great and bad marvel movies. he is very hit and miss but hes alot better then wat we cud have ..(it worries me sort of that he has resigned) but his spiderman contributions were a hit so that will most likely continue..also x3 has a lot of other problems other then arad..avi may have saved x3 from being utter garbage (in my books its average) because wen singer left he had to act very fast with the dead lines fox presented. im glad arad is still on spiderman 3.

 

[Green Goblin 1964]

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[Toxin]

I loved X3, to be honest with you, and the way Phoenix was portrayed (no spoilers) made a whole lot more sense to me than trying to fit the actual storyline in, although how she seemed to be just along for the ride was disconcerting - to be honest, I'm expecting things to not be like the comics.

 

[grabmygladys]

X3 was definitely better then I expected it to be but it was nothing without Singer.

 

[Frenzy]

The guy who directed X-3 should have done them all. The Last Stand was better than the first two for providing the "feel" of X-Men (in my opinion).

But I do agree - it goes off the rails when compared to the comics. Different direction entirely. ALL characters used and abused to the max.

 

[Reikowolf]

x3 was truer to the comics than x1 or 2, although x3 was the most poorly directed of the 3

a lot of it is directing though.

avi pretty much says
"put so and so in it"
or
"make sure there's a scene with this in it"
he is not responsible for how it plays out...

 

[Warhammer]

I loved X3, to be honest with you, and the way Phoenix was portrayed (no spoilers) made a whole lot more sense to me than trying to fit the actual storyline in, although how she seemed to be just along for the ride was disconcerting - to be honest, I'm expecting things to not be like the comics.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

I just got back from X-Men 3 and I have to say we may have a lot to worry about as far as keeping Spider-Man 3 true to the comics. Every time some one brings up an idea that has some proof behind it but strays from canon, folks use Avi Arid as proof that it will stay true to the comics.
Anyone who has seen X-Men 3 (which should be the vast majority of folks posting) knows that even though AA was involved, there were a lot of liberties taken with the story. Now, I am by no means a purist when it comes to superhero flicks, but a lot of people here are. We may need to start recognizing the more outlandish claims as possability, if the peices fit. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

there are alot of ****ing liberties taken because that worthless *** Bryan singer was the one who made all the desicions in X1 to screw the X-verse up-listen to the comentaries and interviews he has done, he takes credit for them

no, it is not Arads fault, the Artistic Liberities are all Singer, and the stuff he started in X1 carries over in all 3 of the movies

Sam Rami on the other hand has remained as true as it gets almost, he has done a wonderfull job with making these movies keeping the feel of Spiderman but at the same time making a 200 million dollar Indie Film love story in there as well about a guy who loves this girl but can't have her

the Difference in X-Men vs. Spiderman film wise, is directing only, everything else is about the same, but the styles that both Singer and Ratner (to his credit he only wanted to keep the style the same) took where not at all the style and feel the comic books give, and Sam Rami as basically just been flipping the comic book pages fast enough for it to look like they are moving

 

[Secret_Riddle]

there are alot of ****ing liberties taken because that worthless *** Bryan singer

excuse me altho it is ur opinion on how bryan singer may have messed up x1 and x2 and the x-men series in general (i disgaree and prefer his films to ratner) but regardless his sexual orientation has nothing to do with his films i am straight and have always enjoyed x-men comics and i can see how a gay man would feel such a connection( being a minority) to the x-men world. if anything it helped him make the films with more of a passion. lets not bash is sexuality.

 

[Reikowolf]

there are alot of ****ing liberties taken because that worthless *** Bryan singer was the one who made all the desicions in X1 to screw the X-verse up-listen to the comentaries and interviews he has done, he takes credit for them

no, it is not Arads fault, the Artistic Liberities are all Singer, and the stuff he started in X1 carries over in all 3 of the movies

Sam Rami on the other hand has remained as true as it gets almost, he has done a wonderfull job with making these movies keeping the feel of Spiderman but at the same time making a 200 million dollar Indie Film love story in there as well about a guy who loves this girl but can't have her

the Difference in X-Men vs. Spiderman film wise, is directing only, everything else is about the same, but the styles that both Singer and Ratner (to his credit he only wanted to keep the style the same) took where not at all the style and feel the comic books give, and Sam Rami as basically just been flipping the comic book pages fast enough for it to look like they are moving

1. watch your language

2. Singer is an excellent director.. second to ang lee he might be the best director to have made a comic book movie. But this is objective... so you're entitled to your opinion

3. the guy wants girl but can't have her girl story is the bases of almost every movie ever made.. it is not exclusive to indie film.

4. I agree sam raimi has done spider-man justice

5. the x-men comic has changed so drastically from decade to decade that it is hard to find "a feel" for it. Characters have undergone massive changes. This is due to different writers and different spin off titles. Spider-man has undergone changes as well but not as much as the x-men/x-men universe.

6. again, you are right, bryan was not very true to the source material.. but he related the story to modern society.. x-men was founded on the issue of rights and discrimination. Spider-man was founded on the normal kid becoming a superhero. Which is easier to relate to?

 

[Visionary]

I like X-Men 3 a lot.

 

[Green Goblin 1964]

I like X-Men 3 a lot.

me too

 

[L0ngsh0t]

1. watch your language

2. Singer is an excellent director.. second to ang lee he might be the best director to have made a comic book movie. But this is objective... so you're entitled to your opinion

3. the guy wants girl but can't have her girl story is the bases of almost every movie ever made.. it is not exclusive to indie film.

4. I agree sam raimi has done spider-man justice

5. the x-men comic has changed so drastically from decade to decade that it is hard to find "a feel" for it. Characters have undergone massive changes. This is due to different writers and different spin off titles. Spider-man has undergone changes as well but not as much as the x-men/x-men universe.

6. again, you are right, bryan was not very true to the source material.. but he related the story to modern society.. x-men was founded on the issue of rights and discrimination. Spider-man was founded on the normal kid becoming a superhero. Which is easier to relate to?

i don't know if you've checked this thread in days so this may be a worthless rebutle but i would like to respond to the things you responded to mine about

1. Ang Lee is good director, Bryan Singer is a good director...the Hulk=terrible terrible movie, X1=the worst xmen movie, and an ultimate bor feast that took the names of classic characters like wolveirne, rouge, storm, cyclops, etc etc etc etc. and wrote there own story for it ignoring nealry 30-40 years of back story that has already been written

my opinion Sam Rami IS the best director to direct a superhero movie, again i will repeat all you have to do to make a comic book movie is pick the story arc you like the best out of its 40 year history...and flip the pages fast enough so the pictures will start to move, its not a hard thing...every thing is already there to make somethign that people already love...thats all you have to do, and while Singer and Lee are very expressive and artistc, they could not grasp this simple concept. Brett Ratner is by no means a better director then singer but he got so much xmen out of so little (he didn't write the script which was the down fall of the movie for me so i have no malic towards him)


3. yes it is prevelant in many movie, but in how many 200 million dollar movies do you see them spending the majority of the movie on one mans struggle with who he is, who he wants to be, who he should be, and who he wants? it just doesn't happen that much and Rami pulled the right strings to do that

5. i agree Xmen have changed drastically but last time i checked spiderman isn't wearing the same suit he used to wear to

6. i think my first answer works her to but to finish, for as artistic, and eloquient as Bryan Singers X-men seem to be from the outside, there is still no comparasin to Spiderman, just flat out better movies, they just are, so for as much as people want to praise singer for the work he did getting comic book movies respect, he hasn't made the best ones, and it all came at the expense of the franchise

 

[L0ngsh0t]

excuse me altho it is ur opinion on how bryan singer may have messed up x1 and x2 and the x-men series in general (i disgaree and prefer his films to ratner) but regardless his sexual orientation has nothing to do with his films i am straight and have always enjoyed x-men comics and i can see how a gay man would feel such a connection( being a minority) to the x-men world. if anything it helped him make the films with more of a passion. lets not bash is sexuality.

i had forgotten the bryan singer was a homosexual, and used that word in terms how i would degrad a straight person, i have a homosexual friend and would never call him that or any gay person that, if i could go back in time i would change the word to like ass or something, i don't like bryan singers take on xmen and it has nothing to do with him being gay

 

[Venom1998]

Avi is no hero , he,s a villain and to be exact he,s the mysterious fourth villain

 

[ProjectPat2280]

I like X-Men 3 a lot.

Yea i did too, and so did the rest of America, minus a tiny few.

 

[The Shape]

1 - avi doesn't "make" these movies by himself.

2 - X3 should not be a sign of whats to come in SM3, because:

A) SM3 has the same director as the first 2 unlike X3...
B) SM3 has a larger budget than X3
C) though there may be several villians in SM3, it's nothing like X3,
where there are hundreds of mutants/villains and a huge war took
place at the end.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

1 - avi doesn't "make" these movies by himself.

2 - X3 should not be a sign of whats to come in SM3, because:

A) SM3 has the same director as the first 2 unlike X3...
B) SM3 has a larger budget than X3
C) though there may be several villians in SM3, it's nothing like X3,
where there are hundreds of mutants/villains and a huge war took
place at the end.

And damnit that was kickass!!!!!

 

[Symbiotica]

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[xwolverine2]

And damnit that was kickass!!!!!

exactly

 

[Trooper]

avi is no superhero but he is the driving force behind marvel

 

[L0ngsh0t]

This is all moot, because it was Raimi and not A. who admitted that each successive Spider-Man film would move FARTHER from the source-material.
I do not have the link handly where he said that, but its here somewheres because I remember at least one big discussion about it.

I don't know why this is such an alien concept, when the VINO writing is so plainly on the wall: but it seems to be. How on earth could someone look at VINO, cheer the concept and then be all "CHANGING THE STORY IS BAD!!" [I am not referring to the original poster as saying/thinking that, dunno what he thinks: just speaking rhetorically].

Elementary, my dear Watson. The strange thing would be a comic-movie that stayed fairly true to the source. That is why S-M1 will forever be a precious thing - it wasn't totally faithful but at least it heavily referenced the original storyline, and we won't be seeing that again anytime soon.

i know of Rami saying it will continue to stray, but that remains to be seen

even if it was true i hold nothing back and will not hesitate to say spiderman 1 is better then 2 anyways, but 2 is still really good

and yes i loved X3 as well, i love all the xmen movies, i just look at the spidermans in jealousy because of how spectacular they are compared to the really good spiderman movies

what i always say is, if sony and rami got Xmen as the 2nd comic book movie to come out, and Singer and FOX got Spiderman as the first comic book movie to come out, i honestly think the Spidermans would be the franchise whos core fans are completley devided into love or hate the third installment of the series, and the XMEN's would be the almost universally loved comic book movie

then again i could be wrong, as there is no way of actually testing this i think it becomes a mute point

it's just interesting to think about though, because if i(i representing X-men) wanted to trade directors (singer not ratner, because ratner is obviously worse then rami, and singer is the one most people think is the godsend of christ) with you(representing spiderman) i take the trade any day of the week, but i don't think anyone would give up what they have in sam rami, he is a terrific, terrific superhero director, and just director in general

 

[Reikowolf]

i don't know if you've checked this thread in days so this may be a worthless rebutle but i would like to respond to the things you responded to mine about

1. Ang Lee is good director, Bryan Singer is a good director...the Hulk=terrible terrible movie, X1=the worst xmen movie, and an ultimate bor feast that took the names of classic characters like wolveirne, rouge, storm, cyclops, etc etc etc etc. and wrote there own story for it ignoring nealry 30-40 years of back story that has already been written

my opinion Sam Rami IS the best director to direct a superhero movie, again i will repeat all you have to do to make a comic book movie is pick the story arc you like the best out of its 40 year history...and flip the pages fast enough so the pictures will start to move, its not a hard thing...every thing is already there to make somethign that people already love...thats all you have to do, and while Singer and Lee are very expressive and artistc, they could not grasp this simple concept. Brett Ratner is by no means a better director then singer but he got so much xmen out of so little (he didn't write the script which was the down fall of the movie for me so i have no malic towards him)


3. yes it is prevelant in many movie, but in how many 200 million dollar movies do you see them spending the majority of the movie on one mans struggle with who he is, who he wants to be, who he should be, and who he wants? it just doesn't happen that much and Rami pulled the right strings to do that

5. i agree Xmen have changed drastically but last time i checked spiderman isn't wearing the same suit he used to wear to

6. i think my first answer works her to but to finish, for as artistic, and eloquient as Bryan Singers X-men seem to be from the outside, there is still no comparasin to Spiderman, just flat out better movies, they just are, so for as much as people want to praise singer for the work he did getting comic book movies respect, he hasn't made the best ones, and it all came at the expense of the franchise

heh, I just checked the thread... sorry for taking so long to reply
I agree with a lot of what you say... it's just the intolerant language which kind of upset me previously... that and it's usually misunderstandings of that sort which result in a flame war.

again as before..opinions regarding the hulk/xmen are entirely objective and the box office totals (especially for Hulk) lean in your favor.. but it does not take away from aesthetics of having very talented directors make a comic book movie.

Sam Raimi is the reason I went to film school.. so I can honestly tell you that there is no one better I could see helming the SM movies.. but again, others would disagree and I am biased regarding the issue although I try not to be.

 

[Anjow1060]

See, i prefer the Batman Begins approach, a unique original story with the best elements of the comics added in. As much as comics are amazing, they're not always perfect and great, despite what some may think. Not to mention in films, a completley differant kind of media, you working under a time limit and need to get things done without going too far into exposition. As some famous dude once said, "it's all relative"