Bad Robot/Jonathan Nolan Bringing "Westworld" to HBO

[vanson]

I think we definitely have seen a human in the show who is really an android and
maybe even the humans interacting with "it" dont know it is one..

It's kind of the obvious thing to do with a show like this. (maybe thats the
reason I'm wrong ^^)

Especially the Man in Black. He talks about this maze he wants to find and in
the preview for EP4 Bernard gives Dolores the same task.. kinda weird..

The other suspect I have the security hemsworth dude.. both of them are
kinda linked because he gave Ed Harris a pass on the killing spree.

 

[djsunyc]

I think we definitely have seen a human in the show who is really an android and
maybe even the humans interacting with "it" dont know it is one..

It's kind of the obvious thing to do with a show like this. (maybe thats the
reason I'm wrong ^^)

Especially the Man in Black. He talks about this maze he wants to find and in
the preview for EP4 Bernard gives Dolores the same task.. kinda weird..

The other suspect I have the security hemsworth dude.. both of them are
kinda linked because he gave Ed Harris a pass on the killing spree.

imho, bernard is an android.

 

[David H.]

I think we definitely have seen a human in the show who is really an android and
maybe even the humans interacting with "it" dont know it is one..

I was thinking the same thing. Could be Ford still searching for the top of the pyramid. Places a "host" among humans and waits to see if the answer emerges.

imho, bernard is an android.

He's my first choice. For the same reasons he could also not be it. Too obvious, y'know.

 

[Kaleb]

Spoiler

Another clue as to Westworld perhaps taking place on another planet,Bernard at one point apologizes to Gina Torres character saying he is sorry for not getting back to her sooner, ''as it is difficult getting an open line out here'' perhaps having to rely on a satellite to communicate

 

[elgaz]

Pretty good ep all round. Liked the young Ford footage, nice bit of digital graphic work there.

Thoughts:

Spoiler

I considered the MIB might be Arnold for a number of reasons :

- timescale (MIB said he's been coming for 30 yrs, and the photo of Arnold would put him in the right age category if so)
- Ford said Arnold 'died' in the park. MIB stated that one could say he was 'born' in the park. These may be references not to a literal birth/death, but some kind of epiphany or mental breakdown.
- If Arnold was Ford's partner, he was very high up the pecking order - which ties in with Ep2, where we learnt the MIB gets to do whatever he wants as far as Westworld staff are concerned.

However it seems a little too ............... obvious? Also, someone who was in Arnold's position would surely be recognised by all the staff as the MIB?

Another thing which was mentioned a lot in this episode was the focus on Orion. I thought this was interesting. Orion was the mythical Greek hunter who was placed among the stars as the constellation of Orion. There are many stories surrounding him, but one of these was his death by the bow of Artemis. That's the same Artemis who was - according to myth - the twin sister of Apollo, and born on the same island - Delos.

Additionally, and this is a more recent development which has nothing to do with Greek mythology but ties into my earlier theory about them being on Mars ......... Orion is the ongoing NASA spacecraft project which has been and will continue to participate in development missions, all geared towards it leading a successful voyage to Mars sometime in the 2030s

 

[MadVillainy]

Im liking the show so far, I just hope it doesn't collapse into itself by having too many characters.

It wasnt as bad this ep, but I dont like Shannon Woodwards character. The dialogue they write for her is turrible.

 

[harlequinade]

The most complex episode so far, for me. Dolores' loop thing made me think about it almost as long as it took to watch the episode

 

[Rowsdower!]

So in the promo for next week, it looks like Delores goes searching for the maze. We know that the maze is "not for" the guests, so perhaps it's a special game that Ford designed precisely for the hosts as a way of getting out of the park?


Also, it dawned on me yesterday that Anthony Hopkins' character shares a name with the man who killed Jesse James. I wonder if there's some sort of symbolism there beyond the obvious (the creative director of Westworld has the same name as a famous outlaw). Maybe in the end, hes secretly sabotaging Westworld (the equivalent of shooting it in the back).

 

[Man in the Suit]

Live + Same Day viewership so far...

Episode 1: 1.96 million
Episode 2: 1.50 million
Episode 3: 2.10 million

And that's not counting HBO Now, On Demand, or DVR.

 

[Filmfan93]

Can someone please explain a few things for me, please?

Spoiler

So, who put the real gun so Dolores could get it? Was it Ford or Bernard? Ford doesn't want Bernard to thinker with the hosts' consciousness, but Bernard does it because he is lonely because of his son's death and he wants to interact with them, right? Also, Ford seems very mysterious. What is his end-game? And is it possible that Arnold might be the MiB?

Furthermore, did Ford or Bernard sent Teddy to that narrative so that Dolores can be alone when Rebus attacks her?

Also, who programmed Wyatt's men to kill Teddy and the other hosts?

Lastly, who was that host (stuck at the rock) that tried to attack Ashley and Elsie and why did he do that?

Thank you and appreciated. I've been loving this show so far. But it really gets me confused at times.

 

[Kaleb]

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[harlequinade]

So in the promo for next week, it looks like Delores goes searching for the maze. We know that the maze is "not for" the guests, so perhaps it's a special game that Ford designed precisely for the hosts as a way of getting out of the park?


Also, it dawned on me yesterday that Anthony Hopkins' character shares a name with the man who killed Jesse James. I wonder if there's some sort of symbolism there beyond the obvious (the creative director of Westworld has the same name as a famous outlaw). Maybe in the end, hes secretly sabotaging Westworld (the equivalent of shooting it in the back).

Robert Ford killed Jesse James who was admired by many. He did so cowardly. After episode 3 I think

Spoiler

Ford killed Arnold, who was more skilled than him and found a way to let hosts 'evolve' and now Ford's new narrative is designed to turn the hosts against the voice they hear, which is Arnold's code he somehow put into programming before his death

Can someone please explain a few things for me, please?

Spoiler

So, who put the real gun so Dolores could get it? Was it Ford or Bernard? Ford doesn't want Bernard to thinker with the hosts' consciousness, but Bernard does it because he is lonely because of his son's death and he wants to interact with them, right? Also, Ford seems very mysterious. What is his end-game? And is it possible that Arnold might be the MiB?

Furthermore, did Ford or Bernard sent Teddy to that narrative so that Dolores can be alone when Rebus attacks her?

Also, who programmed Wyatt's men to kill Teddy and the other hosts?

Lastly, who was that host (stuck at the rock) that tried to attack Ashley and Elsie and why did he do that?

Thank you and appreciated. I've been loving this show so far. But it really gets me confused at times.

Dolores

Spoiler

did it. She took the gun from the attacker (he looks at the holster). She killed him. She buried the gun. Then she dug it out. Then she he hid it in the drawer. Then she hid it in the hay stack. It's a loop.

Ford's new narrative imho is set on demonizing the voice of God for hosts - the villain in the narrative claims to hear the voice of God. Which is probably Arnold's code.

Maybe the bullets did nothing because of some sort of armor. I don't know, I have problem with that one too.

He was just a host but I think he too heard Arnold's voice but unlike Dolores he wasn't as evolved as she was (after the Violent Delights command + Bernard talks) and just went mad, as Ford said to Bernard people who believe they can hear God would

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

[BLACKOUT]About Dolores'gun not sure it is the same gun she took for her aggressor because the big question is : is it a real gun or a host gun ?[/BLACKOUT]

 

[harlequinade]

[BLACKOUT]About Dolores'gun not sure it is the same gun she took for her aggressor because the big question is : is it a real gun or a host gun ?[/BLACKOUT]

Why would they show us the host attacking her check the holster? I think the only option is that because she took it. So host gun.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Why would they show us the host attacking her check the holster? I think the only option is that because she took it. So host gun.

Of course she took it from her aggressor, that was clear, it also shown us that she was able too fire a shot ( under stress and/or with the inner voice telling her to "kill him" + the memory of MiB aggressing her ), something she was not able to do in her training with Teddy.
What would be the point of the scene where she find the buried gun if it was a host gun but maybe it is not the same gun ...?
I'm just making suggestions here. I usually don't ask myself too much questions when I watch a show.

 

[harlequinade]

Of course she took it from her aggressor, that was clear, it also shown us that she was able too fire a shot ( under stress and/or with the inner voice telling her to "kill him" + the memory of MiB aggressing her ), something she was not able to do in her training with Teddy.
What would be the point of the scene where she find the buried gun if it was a host gun but maybe it is not the same gun ...?
I'm just making suggestions here. I usually don't ask myself too much questions when I watch a show.

That shows requires questions, it's so damn thought provoking but it makes me feel so silly when I read other people thoughts and turns out I missed so much

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

You're not alone, more often than not it is other users's posts that make me think of things I didn't see nor thought about.
In the case we are talking about Dolores I think it is to prepare us to the fact that she will be able to shot a guest with a gun don't knowing it is a real gun.

 

[Light]

This is one the best TV series I have seen in a while, I love everything about this show.From the design to the philosophical questions it raises. So it seems like Ford and Bernard are on the same side striving for the same thing? So why the show for Bernard when he entered the room and Ford tore into that guy that covered that host? Also wow I forgot how handsome Marsden is, I am a hetrosexual guy but wow just wow.

 

[Light]

Oh does anyone else think there is a third liberator besides Bernard,and Ford? I think this third player is the one that introduced the Arnold code to some of the hosts.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Ford and Bernard does absolutely not share the same point of view toward the robots.
Ford sees them at tools, mechanical beings, he refuses/denies that they can be or become more than they are. Bernard probably shares Arnold's belief, that the robots can acquire consciousness or maybe he uses them to understand/cope with his own humanity.

 

[rashad]

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Episode #4: “Dissonance Theory”

Debut date: SUNDAY, OCT. 23 (9:00-10:00 p.m.)

Dolores (Evan Rachel Wood) joins William (Jimmi Simpson) and Logan (Ben Barnes) on a bounty hunt in the badlands. The Man in Black (Ed Harris), with Lawrence (Clifton Collins, Jr.) in tow, finds a critical clue in his search to unlock the maze. Dr. Ford (Anthony Hopkins) and Theresa (Sidse Babett Knudsen) discuss the future of the park. Maeve (Thandie Newton) is troubled by a recurring vision.

Written by Ed Brubaker & Jonathan Nolan; directed by Vincenzo Natali.

 

[Light]

Ford and Bernard does absolutely not share the same point of view toward the robots.
Ford sees them at tools, mechanical beings, he refuses/denies that they can be or become more than they are. Bernard probably shares Arnold's belief, that the robots can acquire consciousness or maybe he uses them to understand/cope with his own humanity.

That's just it I don't think we have been made privy to what Ford is really up to, I also think he put on an act for Bernard (could be wrong) when he chastised that employee for being to invested in the hosts psychological and physical well being. He comes across as a man with a lot of regret and I think initially be may have been against Arnold's belief but has now taken on his friend/partners ideals. Also it's clear that the powers that be murdered Arnold and Ford is aware of that based in his commentary that Arnold never made mistakes ruling out the possibility of an accident. There are two options when it comes to Arnolds death and that's he either faked it or his dead ( which I think he is). The great mystery is this third individual that has yet to be revealed and that is the person installing the Arnold code.

 

[vanson]

I've got a question guys.. about the mechanics of Westworld..

So the guests can't be shot dead by the hosts .. and obviously the guests cant shoot each other... but what happens if a guest comes up with the idea, to take a shovel and bash it into a hosts face to kill him, not realising its another guest !?

 

[Bruce Malone]

I've got a question guys.. about the mechanics of Westworld..

So the guests can't be shot dead by the hosts .. and obviously the guests cant shoot each other... but what happens if a guest comes up with the idea, to take a shovel and bash it into a hosts face to kill him, not realising its another guest !?

That's only been touched upon by Nolan in an interview where he states the Hosts are also guest protectors and look out to ensure they don't get hurt. So they would theoretically step-in to stop that.

It is confusing watching it applied on the show though, as a viewer it's hard to tell who exactly is a guest and who's a host?

 

[harlequinade]

Photos from next episode - http://violentdelights.freeforums.net/thread/25/promo-pics-episode?page=1&scrollTo=104

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