JohnnyGobbs
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29. Sad Memory; Getting In
Great post Homer and I agree with virtually everything you've written but I do have a few points, or quibbles to raise regarding what is probably my favourite scene in the Batman franchise thus far.
I'm no 'Burtonite' or 'Nolanite', whatever those terms may mean, since I believe that both directors' respective takes on Batman are equally valid, and as it goes, equally successful (I guess you could call be a fence-sitter on this one). However, one area where I honestly feel Burton trumps Nolan is in his depiction of Thomas and Martha Wayne's death.
Burton's flashback sequence may not be as visceral as Nolan's more faithful though prosaic interpretation of their murder but it is in my opinion much more affecting, primarily thanks to Elfman's haunting score and the overall context of the sequence; Bruce identifying the man who murdered his parents and thereby being forced to recollect the very moment his entire life changed. I also feel these sequences are really where Keaton comes into his fore; he is excellent at playing the deep-seated trauma that explains the seemingly eccentric behaviour he has thus displayed, not to mention his semi-reclusive existance.
I also feel that Basinger does a far better job here than perhaps you are giving her credit for. I may be the only one to say so but there is some genuine emotional sting to Vicki and Bruce's 'perfect world' exchange; and for all my misgivings about Basinger in the more action-orientated sequences (particularly with respect to her persistent screaming) she does equipt herself well in some of the more emotional scenes such as this one and the moment at her apartment when Bruce is on the verge of disclosing his identity. Many may disagree, but I don't think her Academy Award for L.A. Confidential was a mistake, and the warmth with which she imbued Lynn Bracken is on display during these quieter, more poignant moments. Personally, I for one am relieved that Sean Young didn't get cast as Vicki since her persona, both on and off screen has never been particularly sympathetic, give or take Blade Runner.
Finally, I always like to think that it is only after Napier's broadcast and his revealing parting shot to Bruce at Vicki's apartment that Bruce is finally able to piece together the identity of his parents' murderer (recall the mystified look on Bruce's face between The Joker uttering the immortal, "Ever danced with the devil..." line, and then promptly shooting him).
Whilst many traditionalists may balk at The Joker serving as the Waynes' murderer and therefore, the catalyst for Batman's birth this adds a much more operatic and definitive feel to the film as Batman and The Joker get to finally face-off against their figurative creator, and consequently, their most significant foe (although this conceit admittedly works better for a 'one-off' film than it would have done in Nolan's more properly sequential series). Also, as Bruce only discovers the identity of his parents' murderer during the course of the film's events (a plot-thread that is admittedly left ambiguous since it is also implied that he has been keeping a file on Jack Napier for some time), surely it makes sense to construe 'Joe Chill' as the moniker Bruce has ascribed the unidentified assassin up until the moment he is 'reunited' with Napier, in a similar way to how Ed Exley refers to his father's killer as 'Rollo Tomasi' in the aformentioned L.A. Confidential.
Great post Homer and I agree with virtually everything you've written but I do have a few points, or quibbles to raise regarding what is probably my favourite scene in the Batman franchise thus far.
I'm no 'Burtonite' or 'Nolanite', whatever those terms may mean, since I believe that both directors' respective takes on Batman are equally valid, and as it goes, equally successful (I guess you could call be a fence-sitter on this one). However, one area where I honestly feel Burton trumps Nolan is in his depiction of Thomas and Martha Wayne's death.
Burton's flashback sequence may not be as visceral as Nolan's more faithful though prosaic interpretation of their murder but it is in my opinion much more affecting, primarily thanks to Elfman's haunting score and the overall context of the sequence; Bruce identifying the man who murdered his parents and thereby being forced to recollect the very moment his entire life changed. I also feel these sequences are really where Keaton comes into his fore; he is excellent at playing the deep-seated trauma that explains the seemingly eccentric behaviour he has thus displayed, not to mention his semi-reclusive existance.
I also feel that Basinger does a far better job here than perhaps you are giving her credit for. I may be the only one to say so but there is some genuine emotional sting to Vicki and Bruce's 'perfect world' exchange; and for all my misgivings about Basinger in the more action-orientated sequences (particularly with respect to her persistent screaming) she does equipt herself well in some of the more emotional scenes such as this one and the moment at her apartment when Bruce is on the verge of disclosing his identity. Many may disagree, but I don't think her Academy Award for L.A. Confidential was a mistake, and the warmth with which she imbued Lynn Bracken is on display during these quieter, more poignant moments. Personally, I for one am relieved that Sean Young didn't get cast as Vicki since her persona, both on and off screen has never been particularly sympathetic, give or take Blade Runner.
Finally, I always like to think that it is only after Napier's broadcast and his revealing parting shot to Bruce at Vicki's apartment that Bruce is finally able to piece together the identity of his parents' murderer (recall the mystified look on Bruce's face between The Joker uttering the immortal, "Ever danced with the devil..." line, and then promptly shooting him).
Whilst many traditionalists may balk at The Joker serving as the Waynes' murderer and therefore, the catalyst for Batman's birth this adds a much more operatic and definitive feel to the film as Batman and The Joker get to finally face-off against their figurative creator, and consequently, their most significant foe (although this conceit admittedly works better for a 'one-off' film than it would have done in Nolan's more properly sequential series). Also, as Bruce only discovers the identity of his parents' murderer during the course of the film's events (a plot-thread that is admittedly left ambiguous since it is also implied that he has been keeping a file on Jack Napier for some time), surely it makes sense to construe 'Joe Chill' as the moniker Bruce has ascribed the unidentified assassin up until the moment he is 'reunited' with Napier, in a similar way to how Ed Exley refers to his father's killer as 'Rollo Tomasi' in the aformentioned L.A. Confidential.
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