Batman: Arkham Asylum

LOL @ the first panel b/c Harvey looks like James Woods:lmao:

"He he he" "I know I look queer":lmao:

Sorry...how childish of me.:cwink:
 
ronny said:
I don't know, I guess I wouldn't mind if Moll came back. But to be honest, I always felt his voice was a bit gimmicky for the part. Aaron Eckhart just spoke normally but managed to get across the split personality all the same.
Harvey was the angry, shouting one. Two-Face was like a zombie and seemed completely detached from everything around him.
If Moll could put in a great performance like Hamill in the first game, then go for it. But I still don't like the version of Two-Face from the animated series. His first appearance, when they went down the crazed vigilante road was superb. But giant coins and plots to destroy the city or hold it to ransom just embodied the wrong direction many writers take with Two-Face.

Basically, more of this:

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And a whole Hell of a lot less of this:

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I see the tragic aspect of the character in his desire to do good but his inability to empathise with other human beings or their feelings. Basically, he shares Batman's commitment to justice and fairness but has none of his humanity, compassion or basic decency. He's a zealot, in every sense of the word.
And he should make the player agree with his goals from time to time, only to re-evaluate their opinion when they see his methods.

As for Catwoman, I'm cautiously optimistic. As long as they stay away from the Burton version and don't portray her as a sex-addict. The most important thing is to find a voice-actress who doesn't make every word sound like a double entendre.
She doesn't exist simply to make Batman hot and bothered. She has real goals she tries to acheive and sometimes Batman stands in the way of those goals.
She's not just a plot device, but an intrguing character in her own right. I hope they have picked the voice-actress carefully.
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Wow Ronny you're first person I heard say "I didn't like BTAS Two-Face voice. I thought Moll's voice was great as Two-Face.
 
Like I said, in his first two episodes. Moll was brilliant, truly great. The way he breaks down when his wife tries to reason with him, and his pathetic reaction to Batman throwing the tray of coins at him, it was great. But even a great actor looks poor when given the wrong material. And I think that by portraying Two-Face as a common thug in so many episodes, they lost the tragic nature of the character and the superb dynamic he should have with Batman.

They turned him from someone seeking personal justice, someone trying to do what the system couldn't, into a rather mundane crime boss. Which is a trait of Two-Face I have always loathed in the comics. I don't see him as a mobster and never have.

Point is, Moll could have been great if they had given his character better stories. Note how in the comics, Dent has a long-standing grudge with Joker. He seems to really hate the guy with a passion. Yet in the show it's shown as a jokey realtionship, in one episode they're even playing cards!
They could have done a great episode in which the two of them were pitted against each other. In fact, there were many possibilities. But they never explored them.

I don't think we ever got to see how brilliant Moll could be. So who knows? This game could give him the chance he should have got before.
 
On a serious note, I just about entirely agree. That is why Nolan killed Two Face off. Once the character is done with his original arc of retribution and what he believes to be true justice, there isn't much else to do with him before he subscums to a generic crime boss or bank looter who robs the second nation bank of Gotham on the second of every month lol.

As for Joker, I've only read a handful of comics where he interacts with Harvey. I like the way they saw eachother in TDK. Harvey hated him and knew he had to be brought off the streets but Two Face just saw him as a mad dog.
 
I loved this game and I have beaten it twice and I am working on my third,so when I heard about the second one being announced I couldn't wait,so I am very excited for Batman Arkham City.
 
Man, those pics are great, as is the title (pretty perfect actually) and Catwoman's design. I love the wash-out black and white look to them. My anticipation level for this game just skyrocketed.
 
Remember when some people were arguing that the cat we saw in the alleyway in the teaser trailer meant that Catwoman would be included :awesome:
 
ALP said:
On a serious note, I just about entirely agree. That is why Nolan killed Two Face off. Once the character is done with his original arc of retribution and what he believes to be true justice, there isn't much else to do with him before he subscums to a generic crime boss or bank looter who robs the second nation bank of Gotham on the second of every month lol.

As for Joker, I've only read a handful of comics where he interacts with Harvey. I like the way they saw eachother in TDK. Harvey hated him and knew he had to be brought off the streets but Two Face just saw him as a mad dog.
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I entirely disagree with that statement. Two-Face had so, SO much more potential that Nolan left completely untapped. Killing Two-Face off was the worst part of TDK, and easily Nolan's biggest mistake.

To begin with, they never explored Two-Face's obsession with duality. And I'm not talking the corny "I'm going to rob Gotham's SECOND national bank on the SECOND Tuesday of the SECOND month at TWO o'clock." I'm talking about his obsession with the duality in all things. The light and dark nature in them, and how he likes to exploit this.

I also would have loved to see Two-Face's split personality and his mental issues handled in a serious tone under Nolan, something that could have been truly eerie. And he didn't make use of the wonderful backstory Harvey has involving his father. He only calls his coin his "dad's lucky coin," but how much more twisted does that comment sound when we learn that his father used that coin in mental and physical abuse on Harvey? He would tell Harvey he would flip a coin to decide if he would get beaten or not. Being a double sided coin, Harvey always was beaten.

Nolan made Two-Face into a generic revenge villain with a coin motif. He's much more then that, and could have been much more then that.
 
Nolan alluded to Dent's split personality by how Eckhart acted in his scene's as Two-Face.

Notice how Dent was the one who was shouting and angry at what had happened to him and Rachel. When he tells Weurtz to shut up and screams at Gordon and Joker, that's Harvey's personality coming out. All this very human, unerstandable rage seeping through.

Two-Face on the other hand, stalks through the film like a zombie. Look at his face when he flips the coin on Weurtz or when he gives the speech on chance. He's placid, almost euphoric. Like he's been completely drugged out. Remember when Gordon says "I'm sorry! For everything!"? Look at Dent's face, he's got this serene smile on his face as if he's on cloud nine. Yet in a few moments he seems on the verge of a nervous breakdown when he says that "There is no escape from this!" It really is like two completely different people.
Dent may be angry at the world, but Two-Face has the cold nature to turn that anger into real action. So, for me, this was exactly the split personality I had hoped to see. Not overstated, no refering to himself as "we" and none of this **** where he acts like Joker and seems to know he's crazy.
Nolan did it right.

And as for his past, his emotional abuse at the hands of his father. To me, the scene with Thomas Schiff kind of alluded to that. Here we have Dent, known as a heroic DA, mentally torturing a mental patient. A man who seemed to have the mental age of a child. A terrified, grovelling wretch who didn't understand what was happening. Dent was tormenting him in much the same way as his father hurt him.
It was unpleasant, but I felt Nolan put it in there to show Dent's capacity to lash out. His father used that coin to torture his son, and Dent does the same thing to Thomas Schiff.

The fact that the coin had two heads was irrelevant. What he was doing was abuse. Pure and simple. No better than his dad.
 
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ronny said:
Nolan alluded to Dent's split personality by how Eckhart acted in his scene's as Two-Face.

Notice how Dent was the one who was shouting and angry at what had happened to him and Rachel. When he tells Weurtz to shut up and screams at Gordon and Joker, that's Harvey's personality coming out. All this very human, unerstandable rage seeping through.

Two-Face on the other hand, stalks through the film like a zombie. Look at his face when he flips the coin on Weurtz or when he gives the speech on chance. He's placid, almost euphoric. Like he's been completely drugged out. Remember when Gordon says "I'm sorry! For everything!"? Look at Dent's face, he's got this serene smile on his face as if he's on cloud nine. Yet in a few moments he seems on the verge of a nervous breakdown when he says that "There is no escape from this!" It really is like two completely different people.
Dent may be angry at the world, but Two-Face has the cold nature to turn that anger into real action. So, for me, this was exactly the split personality I had hoped to see. Not overstated, no refering to himself as "we" and none of this **** where he acts like Joker and seems to know he's crazy.
Nolan did it right.

And as for his past, his emotional abuse at the hands of his father. To me, the scene with Thomas Schiff kind of alluded to that. Here we have Dent, known as a heroic DA, mentally torturing a mental patient. A man who seemed to have the mental age of a child. A terrified, grovelling wretch who didn't understand what was happening. Dent was tormenting him in much the same way as his father hurt him.
It was unpleasant, but I felt Nolan put it in there to show Dent's capacity to lash out. His father used that coin to torture his son, and Dent does the same thing to Thomas Schiff.

The fact that the coin had two heads was irrelevant. What he was doing was abuse. Pure and simple. No better than his dad.
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The coin having two heads is quite relevant, because it took Harvey a long while to realize why luck was so apparently against him. And it's part of the reason he forms his obsession with chance later in life.

And I could see the hints of the things I was talking about, as you have shown in this post, but the fact is, we only saw Two-Face for about fifteen minutes in this film (maybe). Harvey Dent was done wonderfully, but Two-Face deserved his own feature film. I liked the ending of TDK, but I didn't like it enough to sacrifice one of Batman's most interesting villains. Two-Face simply was not done justice. Sure, we saw a little of the split personality, but honestly, if anyone really thinks that's the best Nolan could have done, their kidding themselves. I wanted to see a movie that really delved into Two-Face's psyche, but we're not going to get that now, and it's a shame.
 
Batman AC hub update for those who haven't found secret room in first game it is revealed at game informer. More news on Wednesday.
A lot of new info on the story is out. http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=259321 Oh Catwomen is not co op she is the main reason why batman goes into AC cause he has to save her.
 
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Oh, if only THIS could've been the route taken by the Bat-films once Nolan was done....:woot: God, I love this franchise. I just finished replaying the first game and I still had little geekasms everytime I found all the Riddler stuff and the likes of Freeze's cell, Black Mask's mask, Catwoman's goggles.....oooooh the joy!
 
Dialogue from the game. It sounds like Catwomen is going to be a supporting character like the commissioner was in first game More info and pictures at http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=112303 ALL info from the batfan

New info
"Thugs have much more variety in appearance.

There are armored thugs.

Bats can counter 2 thugs at once.

There were hints in their demo about joker's health but they couldn't tell what was wrong. Rocksteady won't confirm that it's venom overdose.

New quick and brutal attack called the beat down. Batman unleashes a rapid flurry of painful punches that'll knock out most any enemy whether he's wearing protection or not.

HARLEY has a new COSTUME. she is wearing red and black pants and a matching midriff-baring top. Her face paint is much more subtle and she has a joker tattoo on one of her hips peeking out over her waistband.

NEW GADGET the broadcast analyzer, he uses it to track the location of the joker's transmissions. You can use it to scan around different broadcasts. That's the GCPD dispatch. I can also tune into Gotham FM. There are lots of secrets here for players to find. Lots of mystery broadcasts that will lead you to different areas if you search around:


Like Gears of War active reload, players can now hit the attack button again at just the right time to bring down enemies faster.

Rocksteady says "What we wanted to do in building arkham city was to create a place with the same attention to detail that we built with arkham island - to create something where there's a story around every corner. It's not a big, empty, expansive world.We wanted something with a real richness to it. WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE THE MOST DETAILED AND RICH CITY THAT HAS EVER BEEN REALIZED IN A VIDEO GAME."
Beginning of game
"Where is she, Alfred?" Batman asks.
"Miss Kyle was last seen in the vicinity of the solomon Wayne Courthouse," replies his faithful butler
"That's where Two-Face has been setting up camp"
"Let's hope she is still in one piece when you find her. Mr. Dent's fascination with the number two could prove fatal to Catwoman."


In a nutshell: Batman gets to catwoman, she is dangling above a vat of acid, chained up.
"You certainly know how to keep a girl hanging, Harv." Catwoman says. "Hey, have you had some work done?

Two face strikes her across the face

"That's for spying on us. No one spies on us." He threatens.

"I'm sorry. I've been a bad kitty." she teases "untie me and I'll make it up to you."

"Let's see if the coin thinks you're telling the truth" Two face snarls. "The court is now in session"

Batman beats up thugs and confronts two face

With all his goons out of commission, Two-Face makes one final play. "Objection," he says before shooting batman. "Overruled." With batman out of the picture, he turns to catwoman.

"Heads or tails kitty cat?"

"Which one ends with me getting out of here alive?" she asks

Two face flips the coin and the scarred side lands facing up. "Not this one. Time to die."

"I vote for a stay of execution." catwoman says as she claws the ropes off her wrist and slashes him in the face. Two face recoils in pain catwoman frees her legs and gets right side up. A grappling hook fired from nowhere at two face and soon enough he's the one dangling above the acid.

"I thought it was only cats who had nine lives," Catwoman says as batman walks into view " anyone ever tell you you're full of surprises?"

"Figured you could use my help, Selina " He replies

"You're right, think I chipped a nail back there"

"Funny"

"So what do you need mr. detective? I'm guessing it's something to do with our friend here and how he fits into what professor strange has cooking"

"What do you know, selina?"

"Not much. no one knows anything about the mystery man. It's like he never existed before sharp hired him. But there is definitely something going on with him and Joker"

"that's not what I wanted to hear"

"It gets worse, the clown has a plan to destroy gotham and take you out at the same time. You should get out of here, Leave Joker. He'll be dead soon.

"I can't. He's even more dangerous when backed into a corner."

As if on cue, a green laser dot traces its way up catwoman's snug yet tactical suit. Next we see her in the crosshairs and hear a familiar voice. "Twinkle, twinkle, little bat, Watch me kill your favorite cat." Joker's disembodied voice tried to burst out into his trademark maniacal laughter but he's cut short by a violent coughing fit.

"The ex-district attorney here said something about..." Catwoman says before batman pulls her out of the way of joker's bullet. "What the hell?"

"You're not safe here. No one is," Batman warns as he presses her against a wall.

"Nine lives, remember?" Catwoman quips as she cracks her whip up into the rafters of the courthouse, pulls herself up, and sneaks off into the night.
Batman interrogating a Riddler thug
He grabs the thug by the neck

"Riddler - what's he up to?"

"Oh crap, okay, okay! I just help him out, There's a bunch of us. We give him info and he doesn't put us in those crazy machines of his."

"It's been a pleasure" Batman growls before knocking the informant out.
Batman and Zsasz ( Also, new intimidation feature)
Batman hears a payphone ringing with a group of prisoners huddled around it. They speak about an urban legend about if you answer a payphone you die after. Batman jumps down and uses his taunt:

"You're all going down," Batman threatens.

"It's batman! Get out of here!" A prisoner shouts.

Everyone screams without a fight and batman strolls up to the still ringing phone. he picks it up.

"Hello, Batman. Do you recognize my voice?"

"Zsasz," he replies.
Batman and Harley
"Coming through, B-man! as she charges him with a series of handsprings and flips. batman sidesteps her.

"Let the lady go, batfreak, or the doctors all get a bullet in the head" warns one of several joker members.

" I think you should do what he says, it would be a shame to get blood all over my new outfit" says harley
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wow! Two-Face looks awesome 2011 & 2012 will be year of the Bat!
 
Amazing stuff!

JOY GASM!
 
Two Face's scarred side of his face looks just like Aaron Eckhart's in TDK. The left side of his coat even looks burned like in TDK.
 
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