Batman: Arkham City - - Part 11

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[Llama_Shepherd]

You've spectacularly failed to miss the point. Morrisons run on Batman is great, not because it's a comic, but because Grant Morrison wrote a fantastic story. If he'd written that as an animated movie, a film, a game or a book, it would still be good. You seem to think that any Batman comic is superior because that was his medium of origin. That's narrow minded and stupid.

Did you read my whole post? The part you quoted even cut off the rest of that sentence that COMPLETELY changed the meaning.

While I see what you mean, and I agree, I don't think the comics are better because they are the comics, I think they're better because of the history and tapestry of the characters. For example if there was a Batman TV show animated in the style of Arkham but with all the G-Mo stories that, to me, would be the best Bat-Universe conceived. I think Arkham comes close, but City, while it was amazing, left me wanting much more out of the story, as it barely scratched the surface of most characters, and now I feel, with Hamill retiring, it may never truly be spectacular, just good.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

But my point is that I don't think you throw a blanket over ANY medium and say it's the definitive medium for something. There are some comics probably better for exploring Batman than some games are in the same way that perhaps TDK explored an idea better than certain other comics, or an animated movie with a better story or characterisation than a Batman game. Simply saying the 'comics' are better, or the 'movies' are better is silly. There have been some great comic writers for Bats and some TERRIBLE ones too.

I know what you're saying about Arkham City, and that's fair enough, but at the same time, I think everyone will have different ideas for what is definitively Batman. For some it is simply the way he operates, the aesthetic of his world and the characters that fill it, in which case a video game or a movie could be the perfect medium for them to enjoy him, or someone might enjoy delving deeper into the psyche of Bruce Wayne/Bats or Joker or someone, in which case a comic or book may be better (or even a film). When it comes to that level, it's horses for courses, but i like I said, you can't give one whole medium precedence because it's had a view good versions. Especially with superheroes, there are just hundreds of interpretations and people will pick and choose the ones that appeal to them, not based on the MEDIUM but on the story/characters.

 

[Primal Slayer]

See why cant they take the time to develop a Justice League game that is as good as this? Also would love a Catwoman game for a spin off of this but that will never happen.

 

[javi1024]

i was actually thinking the same thing. maybe have a game where you have the same open world sand box design and you would have a story where you would rotate between several members of the JL until they all converge in the end.

 

[KneelBeforeZod]

Certain members of the Justice League are very difficult to create in a game. Part of the reason the Arkham series works so well is that Batman is a man ... with human strengths and weaknesses. He is limited by human capability and the capability of the technology. There are things in the game world that he just can't do.

Several members of the Justice League have almost no limits whatsoever. They can do almost anything. Superman and Green Lantern are so all-powerful that they are very hard to program into a game. Batman can use the tools in his belt. Green Lantern can literally create constructs, tools and weapons with his mind ... you can't program that. Batman can fight a hoard of thugs and swing from gargoyles -- but Batman can lose a fight. Superman can break through walls, lift anything, and fly at superspeed -- also extraordinarily difficult to program -- and is invulnerable. He can't be shot. Unlike Batman, there is no logical way to restrict Superman to game-boundaries like Batman is restricted in Arkham City ... such as not being able to fly into space, or go through City walls. Superman could literally just break open, instead of solving, Riddler puzzles.

I think creating a Justice League game as good as the Arkham games would be extremely difficult logisticially. In Arkham City -- the limits on Batman are the limits of the character himself. The best thing about the game is that you feel like Batman ... you feel like Batman because you can do anything Batman could do. If you created the same game with Green Lantern or Superman, the limits wouldn't be the actual limitations of the character ... they would be the arbitrary limits of programming capability. You wouldn't feel like Superman because there would be things that Superman should be able to do that you just can't because the programmers couldn't make it work.

JB

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

passed the story mode last nite on Easy mode! loved the ending and in a way it does set up a great story for the third game. now i am going to go back on do all the side missions and solve the riddles. once i do that, i will play the game on Normal to unlock New Game Plus. it really sucks i can't log in to the PSN because i would love to play with the 1970s costume and Catwoman. guess i am going to wait until i go home for Thanksgiving to do that.

LOL, i found the Penguin's motorized duck car from Batman Returns in the steel mill t:

 

[Troy_Parker]

Didn't anybody else have no sound during the final cutscene? I thought it was like, done for effect until I realized that the subtitles were on. :\

It's on PS3.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

But my point is that I don't think you throw a blanket over ANY medium and say it's the definitive medium for something. There are some comics probably better for exploring Batman than some games are in the same way that perhaps TDK explored an idea better than certain other comics, or an animated movie with a better story or characterisation than a Batman game. Simply saying the 'comics' are better, or the 'movies' are better is silly. There have been some great comic writers for Bats and some TERRIBLE ones too.

I know what you're saying about Arkham City, and that's fair enough, but at the same time, I think everyone will have different ideas for what is definitively Batman. For some it is simply the way he operates, the aesthetic of his world and the characters that fill it, in which case a video game or a movie could be the perfect medium for them to enjoy him, or someone might enjoy delving deeper into the psyche of Bruce Wayne/Bats or Joker or someone, in which case a comic or book may be better (or even a film). When it comes to that level, it's horses for courses, but i like I said, you can't give one whole medium precedence because it's had a view good versions. Especially with superheroes, there are just hundreds of interpretations and people will pick and choose the ones that appeal to them, not based on the MEDIUM but on the story/characters.

Ill say this, if i want my Batman fix, I'm not picking up any comic book and I'm not popping in the Dark Knight Blu Ray. Im playing Arkham City. Thats just me tho.

I also just received my Arkham City graphic novel. Any good?

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Still waiting on mine. I'm a fan of the writer, so hopefully it'll deliver. He usually does, though.

There's so many great Batman fixes to get nowadays, it's crazy.

Highly recommend Batman: Year One on Blu-ray. Great adaptation of a near legendary comic book arc.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

I actualy bought that along with my graphic novel, but amazon shipped the novel first

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

quick stupid question, from stupid person (me) who's just started playing the game. In AA, I dont remember having to do anything special to activate the Riddler challenges. However in AC, is there something you need to do in order for him to start giving you the Riddles and finding the "?'s"?

I've been running around collecting the trophies and just beat Solomon Grundy but dont seem to have the option to solve the riddles.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

quick stupid question, from stupid person (me) who's just started playing the game. In AA, I dont remember having to do anything special to activate the Riddler challenges. However in AC, is there something you need to do in order for him to start giving you the Riddles and finding the "?'s"?

I've been running around collecting the trophies and just beat Solomon Grundy but dont seem to have the option to solve the riddles.

the scanner is activated later on in the story mode. i think that was kinda lame because, like you said, in Arkham Asylum you start off with that.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I think he should have it by now, though.

I haven't even gotten to Grundy yet, and I have the scanner.

You MIGHT need to get it from the upgrade screen when you get enough xp.

 

[SpideyForPrez]

quick stupid question, from stupid person (me) who's just started playing the game. In AA, I dont remember having to do anything special to activate the Riddler challenges. However in AC, is there something you need to do in order for him to start giving you the Riddles and finding the "?'s"?

I've been running around collecting the trophies and just beat Solomon Grundy but dont seem to have the option to solve the riddles.

You need to go back to the Church/Medical Center after you first encounter Harley and the security guards. When you go back, the Church will have a few question marks painted on it. You'll go in, Riddler will tell you about his riddles and hostages and you'll gain the ability to scan his Riddles. Hope that helps.

 

[Drz]

You just can't put the same scope of awesomeness that comics can, because for movies, games and animation the budget is so tight, with comic scripts it's limitless.

Hence comic Batman > all.

 

[Troy_Parker]

When I'm playing as Catwoman and I use her thief vision certain locations have blue claw marks on the ceiling, etc...whose are they? :S

 

[Matt Mortem]

When I'm playing as Catwoman and I use her thief vision certain locations have blue claw marks on the ceiling, etc...whose are they? :S

I wondered the same thing

 

[CapedCrusader14]

Anybody hate the campaign maps on this? I do. I'm on 45 medals and I'm struggling with what I have left.

I'm tempted just to start New Game+ and go back to them later.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

I've almost finished the story,

Spoiler

defeated Hugo Strange, just need to take care of the Joker now

. Still have a bunch of side missions to do though, I've only finished the Mad Hatter and Bane ones. However, when you go back into the game after finishing it, is it like Arkham Asylum where the gameworld is still showing the effects of the story?

Spoiler

Are all the random thugs gone? I liked encountering them every so often are taking them out

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Anybody hate the campaign maps on this? I do. I'm on 45 medals and I'm struggling with what I have left.

I'm tempted just to start New Game+ and go back to them later.

Haven't tried any of those yet or the predator maps, I've played a couple of the combat challenges, so far really liking them. They don't seem as hard as they were on Arkham Asylum.

 

[Matt Mortem]

I've almost finished the story,

Spoiler

defeated Hugo Strange, just need to take care of the Joker now

. Still have a bunch of side missions to do though, I've only finished the Mad Hatter and Bane ones. However, when you go back into the game after finishing it, is it like Arkham Asylum where the gameworld is still showing the effects of the story?

Spoiler

Are all the random thugs gone? I liked encountering them every so often are taking them out

Thugs are still there

 

[CapedCrusader14]

Haven't tried any of those yet or the predator maps, I've played a couple of the combat challenges, so far really liking them. They don't seem as hard as they were on Arkham Asylum.

The ranked maps are fine, some of the predator maps are challenging.

 

[SpideyForPrez]

When I'm playing as Catwoman and I use her thief vision certain locations have blue claw marks on the ceiling, etc...whose are they? :S

I think they're just suppose to be indicators as to where Catwoman can climb the ceiling or under grates and stuff. I don't think they're suppose to belong to any specific, if anyone Catwoman.