Batman: Arkham Knight - Part 4

[zeptron]

Arkham Asylum had no side stories. Arkham Origins had the best main story by far. City's was the weakest. It's basically chasing a cure.

Well Asylum did have all the Riddler stuff. That's if you consider that a side quest.

 

[zenith16]

No not really. I disliked it. First off, 3 PRISON BREAKS IN ONE NIGHT??!! Second I hated and I mean hated the Joker twist. I was sold on Black Mask hiring assassins but then we had to have Joker in it. I liked the Joker parts but still hated the twist. Third the assassins. I was expecting assassins to come at you but some like Shiva & Deadshot only on the side. Meanwhile Croc, who isn't even an assassin, gets taken out. Deathstroke gets taken out which is just wrong. Sorry no. Noob Batman could never take out Deathstroke. Boss was great but no. Deathstroke once fought the entire Justice League and won.

The story was decent but City was better IMO. The stuff in City was Strange and Ra's, Joker, Penguin, and Freeze were great. At the end of Origins, Joker is the only villain who doesn't look like a complete joke.

the problem with what your stating here is this version of death stroke which was the pre crisis the pedophile version(as I &others know him) always lost to nightwing and the titans in the comic's. and man he needed the beat down screwing under age girl. (tera ) and always trying to kille them since. people for et that versio of him is the mai foe of the titan's & nightwing . nightwing is a skilled dude.

but just cause death stroke messed justice league up with the first encounter(once ) doesn't mean "he can't lose ever" it's like Stan Lee said [YT]L4_zFYnnn2Y[/YT]
there other factors skill ad suprise ad a to of other factors that will alway have ether side win. and most importantly there's the writer and who he /she want's to win.


lol Get outta here with talking like that man. way too much over exaggeration with that.

 

[SymbioticToxin]

He wasn't noob level, he had been at it for quite some time. A year, at most, I think. And he was plenty skilled thanks to his training. So him taking on Deathstroke and beating him makes sense, since neither of them left the battle untouched.

 

[BrollySupersj]

Deathstroke was a pedophile?

Forgive my lack of knowledge, I only know just a bit of stuff.

 

[zenith16]

Deathstroke was a pedophile?

Forgive my lack of knowledge, I only know just a bit of stuff.

alot of the 80's had some nasty stuff with some villains death stroke screwed Tera of the titan's when he used her as a spy and then killed her off when she figured she actually liked the team . He was a sick dude .I've stated this before in the past. One sec I'll put up a link from a site you can look at with his profile details.

Here it is

Deathstroke
Slade Wilson

also stated here(which DC own's and runs) too.



Deathstroke
New Earth

^^

Teen Titans

Slade has a long history as an enemy of the Teen Titans, beginning when his other son, Grant, became an early Titans foe called the Ravager who was physically enhanced to fulfill a contract to kill or capture the Teen Titans. However, those enhancements proved fatal and Slade agreed to complete the contract. As a result, he attacked the Titans continually and finally succeeded in capturing them by introducing Terra (whom he shared an intimate relationship with, despite her being barely sixteen years old) into the team as a spy.

From the site Titans Tower & DC Wikia. His first appearance were the titans book. He just showed up in JL books for a bit, but he was the main villain in the titans titles . there was a reason for that. I suggest you find the issue the details where Terra show up are detailed in the titans tower site .

 

[The Joker]

No not really. I disliked it. First off, 3 PRISON BREAKS IN ONE NIGHT??!!

Two prison breaks. Not three.

Second I hated and I mean hated the Joker twist. I was sold on Black Mask hiring assassins but then we had to have Joker in it. I liked the Joker parts but still hated the twist.

Now see if the Joker twist had been the big climax of the game, I would agree, but it wasn't. It was revealed quite early in the game actually. Whereas Hugo Strange being a puppet of Ra's wasn't revealed until the end, and he'd been barely in the game at all, after they had been promoting him as such a big bad ass main villain presence in the game, too:

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Third the assassins. I was expecting assassins to come at you but some like Shiva & Deadshot only on the side. Meanwhile Croc, who isn't even an assassin, gets taken out. Deathstroke gets taken out which is just wrong. Sorry no. Noob Batman could never take out Deathstroke. Boss was great but no. Deathstroke once fought the entire Justice League and won.

Deathstroke is not the untouchable god you make him out to be. Not even close. Batman is a world trained hero, and he was doing this for nearly two years now. Slade was still awesome, and his fight was a highlight in the game.

Shiva was excellently portrayed. So was Bane (a million times better than Asylum and City). Copperhead was also terrific. Firefly was bad ass. The only ones I'd say was rather forgettable was Croc and Electructioner, but then Croc is a meat head villain, and I loved his boss fight. Who gives a toss about Electrocutioner.

Then you have the excellent character portrayals and relationships that are developed in this game. Batman and Alfred, Batman and Gordon, Batman and Barbara, Batman and Joker etc. I don't think there's one scene in the previous games that matches the level of character insight than say the Joker therapy session with Harley in A.O. where we get a glimpse inside his head and what he thinks of Batman. Amazing.

The story was decent but City was better IMO. The stuff in City was Strange and Ra's, Joker, Penguin, and Freeze were great. At the end of Origins, Joker is the only villain who doesn't look like a complete joke.

How was Arkham City's better? Arkham City is basically chase the cure. A lot of people get brainwashed into thinking 'the setting IS the story' which it isn't.

Thing is, Arkham City (the game title that is) never ever was about Arkham City ( he prison itself). Arkham City is arguably the most intriguing and fascinating premise for a Batman story. A walled off prison like Escape From New York, with some of Gotham's worst villains in there dividing up the land between them. Whenever people talk about the story all they have the image of that very unique setting in the back of their heads.

If you take the setting away, if you just take the game's plot and put it into just a random corner of Gotham City.. it's actually one of most bland, run-down-the-Mill and forgettable Batman stories ever created.

The story in Arkham City is nothing more then a glorified 'chase/track-down story', one we've seen at least a thousand times in the Batman comics and done less contrived too.

Batman has to find Catwoman for information
Batman has to find Joker just because he took a pot shot at Catwoman with a gun
Batman has to find Mr. Freeze for finding Joker's cure
Batman has to find Penguin for finding Freeze's suit
Batman has to find Ra's Al Ghul for finding an enzyme in his blood
Batman has to find Joker again for taking the cure
Batman has to stop Hugo Strange and stop Protocol 10
Batman has to find Joker again for taking Talia

Practically none of this has ANYTHING to do with the Arkham City situation or Strange foreshadowed "protocol 10", or the hierarchy among criminals and gang bosses.

I called Arkham City contrived because at times it really was. Batman is on a mission to stop Arkham City from the inside, take down Hugo Strange and prevent this mysterious "protocol 10" from happening. Yet for some reason he totally goes after Joker ( whose in prison with rules so "technically" is doing nothing wrong whatsoever ) because he fired a bullet at Catwoman. So what? It's the Joker! It's what he does for God's sake! Wouldn't taking down Hugo Strange be on a higher list for just this once?

Then Joker needs a cure.. which is again totally unrelated to any Protocol 10 sub-plot and is basically there to kill the time.. and of course Mr. Freeze has it. Who was coincidentally just kidnapped by Penguin, who then coincidentally needs a enzyme that only Ra's Al Ghul has, coincidentally one of his ninjas is sitting nearby in Penguin's display case.

I could go on, but the message should be clear. There's nothing extraordinary about Arkham City's story at all. Yes, the idea of prison built between Gotham were the inmates are allowed to tear each other apart.. is nothing short of genius. But it's never used for the story. The idea that Batman has to chase a cure because he got poisoned, is one the laziest and forgettable premises for a Batman there is. That's the main story.

This is not being a hater of Arkham City. I love it to bits. One of the best games ever. But the story is not one of the reasons why it's so great.

Well Asylum did have all the Riddler stuff. That's if you consider that a side quest.

Not really since it's just basically collecting stuff on your way through the game. You don't have to go off from the main story to do it like you do with the side missions in AC and AO.

 

[SymbioticToxin]

Speaking of, am I alone with groaning at Riddler in Arkham Knight? We've had 2 games with him and his riddles and trophies. AO, I think, was supposed to have Anarky take his role and it would have been interesting and new...but he was there anyway and just kind blah. Do we need him in this new one?

 

[zenith16]

well part of the reason he was there was solvin his clues which added to the detective experience. In a Sherlock(well semi) way to a degree. other wise. other wise some of that(detective feel) would be lost. it depends on the execution though .

 

[SlamAdams]

I'm a fan of the Riddler in the Arkham games. I like the riddles that you have to snapshot the answers for. I missed that aspect in Origins

 

[hafizbat]

I imagine Knight won't be all that different seeing as they're going out with the classic "find the bombs and deactivate or removing them out of the city" plot.

The game will still be spectacular no doubt but it's sticking to the tried and true.

Are they really? They used the same plot for Batman in Assault on Arkham...I'd hope they're capable of something more original.

 

[Jick]

Arkham Asylum had no side stories. Arkham Origins had the best main story by far. City's was the weakest. It's basically chasing a cure.

There was that curious search for the spirit of Amadeus Arkham. I consider it a side story, since it has nothing to do with the main goal.
Unless you meant side missions.

 

[The Joker]

There was that curious search for the spirit of Amadeus Arkham. I consider it a side story, since it has nothing to do with the main goal.
Unless you meant side missions.

They were part of the Riddler's challenges. So yeah I don't consider them a side mission. They were just another thing to scan along the way, and they had a vocal pay off like the patient interview tapes.

 

[Marvolo]

Despite the technical problems I also think Arkham Origins had the best story. I still enjoyed the story of all three games tho.

I wouldn't mind more Arkham and Gotham history being scattered throught Arkham Knight like the Amadeus stuff in Arkham Asylum. That stuff was interesting and added to the atmosphere. That's one thing that I feel both Origins and City were lacking: atmosphere.

 

[Nardz937]

I personally enjoyed Arkham City's story the most while playing it. More than Asylum and Origins.

 

[Travesty]

I think I enjoyed Asylum's story the most.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

They all blend together into one kick ass Batman story for me. Iv said it before, but the Arkham games are like Pizza and Sex, even when they're bad, they're still pretty damn good.

 

[Brother Jack]

The lack of Deathstroke in Origins was disappointing. The marketing had made it seem like he was a big part of the game but it only amounted to one boss fight and some challenge room DLC.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

The lack of Deathstroke in Origins was disappointing. The marketing had made it seem like he was a big part of the game but it only amounted to one boss fight and some challenge room DLC.

Deathstroke was used the way he needed to be. He was a hired assassin to take down Bats, he failed because well, Batman is the goddamn Batman, then Bats moved on. As bad ass as Slade is, we didnt need any more of him in that game. Maybe another boss fight could of been cool, but Slade was only there to collect the money, he didnt have any bigger motivation than that.

And the marketing pretty much showed his role, that of a hired assassin to take down Batman.

Plus we got to play as the dude in the challenge maps. There was plenty of SW in Origins.

 

[Broseph44]

Two prison breaks. Not three.



Now see if the Joker twist had been the big climax of the game, I would agree, but it wasn't. It was revealed quite early in the game actually. Whereas Hugo Strange being a puppet of Ra's wasn't revealed until the end, and he'd been barely in the game at all, after they had been promoting him as such a big bad ass main villain presence in the game, too:

[YT]muCtJsy-d9w[/YT]



Deathstroke is not the untouchable god you make him out to be. Not even close. Batman is a world trained hero, and he was doing this for nearly two years now. Slade was still awesome, and his fight was a highlight in the game.

Shiva was excellently portrayed. So was Bane (a million times better than Asylum and City). Copperhead was also terrific. Firefly was bad ass. The only ones I'd say was rather forgettable was Croc and Electructioner, but then Croc is a meat head villain, and I loved his boss fight. Who gives a toss about Electrocutioner.

Then you have the excellent character portrayals and relationships that are developed in this game. Batman and Alfred, Batman and Gordon, Batman and Barbara, Batman and Joker etc. I don't think there's one scene in the previous games that matches the level of character insight than say the Joker therapy session with Harley in A.O. where we get a glimpse inside his head and what he thinks of Batman. Amazing.



How was Arkham City's better? Arkham City is basically chase the cure. A lot of people get brainwashed into thinking 'the setting IS the story' which it isn't.

Thing is, Arkham City (the game title that is) never ever was about Arkham City ( he prison itself). Arkham City is arguably the most intriguing and fascinating premise for a Batman story. A walled off prison like Escape From New York, with some of Gotham's worst villains in there dividing up the land between them. Whenever people talk about the story all they have the image of that very unique setting in the back of their heads.

If you take the setting away, if you just take the game's plot and put it into just a random corner of Gotham City.. it's actually one of most bland, run-down-the-Mill and forgettable Batman stories ever created.

The story in Arkham City is nothing more then a glorified 'chase/track-down story', one we've seen at least a thousand times in the Batman comics and done less contrived too.

Batman has to find Catwoman for information
Batman has to find Joker just because he took a pot shot at Catwoman with a gun
Batman has to find Mr. Freeze for finding Joker's cure
Batman has to find Penguin for finding Freeze's suit
Batman has to find Ra's Al Ghul for finding an enzyme in his blood
Batman has to find Joker again for taking the cure
Batman has to stop Hugo Strange and stop Protocol 10
Batman has to find Joker again for taking Talia

Practically none of this has ANYTHING to do with the Arkham City situation or Strange foreshadowed "protocol 10", or the hierarchy among criminals and gang bosses.

I called Arkham City contrived because at times it really was. Batman is on a mission to stop Arkham City from the inside, take down Hugo Strange and prevent this mysterious "protocol 10" from happening. Yet for some reason he totally goes after Joker ( whose in prison with rules so "technically" is doing nothing wrong whatsoever ) because he fired a bullet at Catwoman. So what? It's the Joker! It's what he does for God's sake! Wouldn't taking down Hugo Strange be on a higher list for just this once?

Then Joker needs a cure.. which is again totally unrelated to any Protocol 10 sub-plot and is basically there to kill the time.. and of course Mr. Freeze has it. Who was coincidentally just kidnapped by Penguin, who then coincidentally needs a enzyme that only Ra's Al Ghul has, coincidentally one of his ninjas is sitting nearby in Penguin's display case.

I could go on, but the message should be clear. There's nothing extraordinary about Arkham City's story at all. Yes, the idea of prison built between Gotham were the inmates are allowed to tear each other apart.. is nothing short of genius. But it's never used for the story. The idea that Batman has to chase a cure because he got poisoned, is one the laziest and forgettable premises for a Batman there is. That's the main story.

This is not being a hater of Arkham City. I love it to bits. One of the best games ever. But the story is not one of the reasons why it's so great.



Not really since it's just basically collecting stuff on your way through the game. You don't have to go off from the main story to do it like you do with the side missions in AC and AO.

Bravo good sir! AO gets too much hate. When in my opinion it's my favorite Arkham game so far. Pas you said the character development egg is just top notch.

Speaking of, am I alone with groaning at Riddler in Arkham Knight? We've had 2 games with him and his riddles and trophies. AO, I think, was supposed to have Anarky take his role and it would have been interesting and new...but he was there anyway and just kind blah. Do we need him in this new one?

Well he's in it regardless so yeah. If his stuff is simply side mission stuff that is optional then just don't do his missions. Simple!

 

[Broseph44]

Deathstroke was used the way he needed to be. He was a hired assassin to take down Bats, he failed because well, Batman is the goddamn Batman, then Bats moved on. As bad ass as Slade is, we didnt need any more of him in that game. Maybe another boss fight could of been cool, but Slade was only there to collect the money, he didnt have any bigger motivation than that.

And the marketing pretty much showed his role, that of a hired assassin to take down Batman.

Plus we got to play as the dude in the challenge maps. There was plenty of SW in Origins.

Boom exactly. Well said.

 

[zeptron]

Apparently Deathstroke was originally gonna have a bigger role. According to the art book it says that he was originally planned to play a bigger part in the story and at one point was supposed to patrol Gotham in a chopper looking for Batman using attack drones to hunt him down. That would have been awesome. He was definitely overhyped for the role he had in the game. He was in all the trailers yet you fight him early in the game and barely see again?

I also think Killer Croc should have just been a bodyguard for "Black Mask" instead of one of the assassins. His assassin spot could have gone to someone like David Cain instead. That would have made more sense as he's considered one of the world's premier assassins. And is the one that trained Batman. A huge missed opprunity there.

 

[Broseph44]

I love how this thread went from being about Arkham Knight, to people giving their own ideas or dreams of how they would change things in Arkham Origins. Things that can't be changed haha.

 

[Travesty]

I didn't mind AO story or how the gameplay didn't evolve that much. I just had major issues with button lag and gltiches, and a few camera angles on the boss fights. Other than that, it was a good game.

 

[Naked Shia]

Arkham knight better have a story as good as AO. I say!

 

[Drz]

Second I hated and I mean hated the Joker twist.

People only hate this because of Joker-fatique, if Origins had come before City, the story wouldn't be this nitpicked.

Sorry no. Noob Batman could never take out Deathstroke. Boss was great but no. Deathstroke once fought the entire Justice League and won.

You hate the idea of young Batman going toe to toe againts Deathstroke, but love the idea of Deathstroke defeating a Green Lantern who doesn't use his imagination, Zatanna who doesn't cast spells, Hawkman who doesn't use his strenght properly, Flash who doesn't use his speed, a Canary who doesn't take a distance and Green Arrow who doesn't even use his bow!

The story was decent but City was better IMO. The stuff in City was Strange and Ra's, Joker, Penguin, and Freeze were great. At the end of Origins, Joker is the only villain who doesn't look like a complete joke.

Freeze was the same old, how can people have Joker fatique but the same story about Freeze can be recycled forever? Hugo Strange, a Gothamite who has a German accent gets killed off, which is a waste. Ras' al Ghul is packing with tattoos and also has the same ol' story that gets recycled.