Batman: Arkham Knight - Part 4

[The Joker]

Arkham Knight WILL NOT be a pre exsistant character in any batman lore. This has been reported and confirmed several times.

Or you know they're just telling us that so we won't guess who it is.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

I don't get why people think Azrael. If a guy came to warn you dark days are ahead, why would he be responsible for those dark days?

I see Azrael returning and helping Batman out maybe. I don't know, is he allowed to interfere?

 

[Two-Face]

Nope its Bane.... j/k



But seriously no trailer no gameplay. I want something!

 

[Spiderhog]

Yeah it's been a while...

 

[SymbioticToxin]

I kinda prefer it to be a non-existent character. A the same time, speculating is fun.

 

[Parquagh]

So nothing from NY ComicCon on this game?

 

[DeadPresident]

I don't get why people think Azrael. If a guy came to warn you dark days are ahead, why would he be responsible for those dark days?

I see Azrael returning and helping Batman out maybe. I don't know, is he allowed to interfere?

In some arcs Azrael (Jean-Paul Valley) is unstable and not always in control of himself. IIRC Azrael from Arkham City mentions the Order of Saint Dumas, so it might be that the same process that leads to him being unstable in the KnightFall arc may be responsible for this.

I'm not sure Arkham Knight is Azrael, but I could see them being able to explain why it would be.

 

[TheVileOne]

DeadPresident, this is NOT Jean-Paul Valley. This Azrael is Michael Lane.

 

[SlamAdams]

DeadPresident, this is NOT Jean-Paul Valley. This Azrael is Michael Lane.

To play devil's advocate, because I'm sure Arkham Knight is a wholly original character, the Azrael is most likely Michael Lane in AC, but I don't think that inherently discounts JPV as the Knight.

 

[DeadPresident]

DeadPresident, this is NOT Jean-Paul Valley. This Azrael is Michael Lane.

Ah ok, my bad. That mostly kills my theory off then.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Arkham Knight is Bruce Wayne's clone! :b

Yeah, that was the big rumor for a while. Is that still going around?

 

[MangleBoP]

DeadPresident, this is NOT Jean-Paul Valley. This Azrael is Michael Lane.

The last story Lane showed up in, he tried to burn Gotham to the ground, because he had "visions" that told him Gotham must be "judged". His "visions" were the result of hallucinogens Ras' al Ghul soaked his armor in. But Arkham Knight is NOT either Azrael.

 

[hafizbat]

Who thinks the Joker will be in this? I think he will be.

Rocksteady has a goal of making the definitive Batman game....we're finally at the point where we can truly "become the Batman", at the height of his powers. And the ultimate Batman game just wouldn't be complete without his arch-nemesis.

As much I hate when Joker steals the spotlight and other great villains get snubbed, I really think he will play a big part in the end.

 

[jmc]

Here's why I don't think Arkham Knight is an existing character - because that lame arse reveal concept has been done to death in comic books for years and has become tiresome. Seriously, Rocksteady has the chance to etch their own piece of Batman lore into the mythology, I do not see them passing up that opportunity to be honest.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

Revealing a villain to be another villain or a pre-existing one has already become one of the most hackish plots in existence. The Arkham City one served no purpose at all, given that ten seconds after the reveal Ra's died as well, rendering the whole thing moot. Just let him be a new villain.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Who thinks the Joker will be in this? I think he will be.

Rocksteady has a goal of making the definitive Batman game....we're finally at the point where we can truly "become the Batman", at the height of his powers. And the ultimate Batman game just wouldn't be complete without his arch-nemesis.

As much I hate when Joker steals the spotlight and other great villains get snubbed, I really think he will play a big part in the end.

He was the focus of three games, enough already.
I hope he's not more than a hallucination if he is in this one.

 

[DeadPresident]

The last story Lane showed up in, he tried to burn Gotham to the ground, because he had "visions" that told him Gotham must be "judged". His "visions" were the result of hallucinogens Ras' al Ghul soaked his armor in. But Arkham Knight is NOT either Azrael.

The weird thing though is generally JPV is linked with the order of Saint Dumas while Lane is linked to the Order of Purity. I'm surprised that in AC it's Lane that's part of the order of Saint Dumas when he usually isn't affiliated with them? Or are they interchangeable and refer to the same group?

 

[MangleBoP]

The weird thing though is generally JPV is linked with the order of Saint Dumas while Lane is linked to the Order of Purity. I'm surprised that in AC it's Lane that's part of the order of Saint Dumas when he usually isn't affiliated with them? Or are they interchangeable and refer to the same group?

They might be 2 names for the same group, or they might separate orders of the Knights Templar, I'm really not sure.

 

[hafizbat]

The only problem I see with the Arkham Knight being a brand new character is that everything has been done already. What can he bring to the table that we haven't seen before? If Rocksteady makes it work, I'll be impressed.

 

[zenith16]

The only problem I see with the Arkham Knight being a brand new character is that everything has been done already. What can he bring to the table that we haven't seen before? If Rocksteady makes it work, I'll be impressed.

I said this many times before but I think Rocksteady will take the same path as the batman TAS like Mask of the phantasim & Mystery of the Bat woman where they are characters that didn't exist in the comic's & also people he had just met for those stories . Only this time it'll be in video game form . This character will hopefully be an original made one . & will leave a mark to a degree that those animated movie made as well cause they added something as far as characters are concerned .

 

[jmc]

The only problem I see with the Arkham Knight being a brand new character is that everything has been done already. What can he bring to the table that we haven't seen before? If Rocksteady makes it work, I'll be impressed.

I think it's a bit dramatic to say everything has been done. The converse question is what does making AK an existing character bring to the table? Comics have a habit of just recycling of old ideas that more often than not do nothing to move the mythology forward, there tends to be a bit more risk taking in other mediums like film, TV and games because there isn't as much red tape to cut through in order for fresh ideas to be explored. I'll be very surprised if Rocksteady resorts to cliched reveals in their last outing.

 

[hafizbat]

I think it's a bit dramatic to say everything has been done. The converse question is what does making AK an existing character bring to the table? Comics have a habit of just recycling of old ideas that more often than not do nothing to move the mythology forward, there tends to be a bit more risk taking in other mediums like film, TV and games because there isn't as much red tape to cut through in order for fresh ideas to be explored. I'll be very surprised if Rocksteady resorts to cliched reveals in their last outing.

Good points. I actually meant that it might've been a better idea to flesh out an existing character (Hush?) rather than pulling a switcharoo with AK, because as you said, that's not a great idea.

They do seem to be taking Scarecrow to the next level, which is awesome. I hope it's not like AC or AO though, where Hugo Strange and Black Mask (two villains with massive potential that I would love to see realized) were being pumped up as these great villains, only to be tossed to the side very quickly in favor of old heavyweights Ra's and Joker. So I'm trying to keep my expectations for Scarecrow and AK on the lower end.

When it comes to AK, I'm really interested to see his origin. He seems similar to Hush (Batman's equal in resources, intelligence, physical prowess, has history with Bruce) and as Hush shows us, your origin can make or break your standing as a character.

It's the difference between Two-Face, a timeless classic villain, and Hush, a villain with loads of potential who just doesn't have much of an impact.

 

[jmc]

I actually think platforms like the Arkham Series is where the Batman mythology will eventually end up expanding in the future. I think the comics will forever be stuck in an endless loop of rehashing characters and plot devices simply because of the serial nature of the medium. With games, films and tv you're going to get new ideas being brought to the table because there's no canon to deal with, these mediums can expand and do as they please, introducing new characters and genuinely killing off old ones. Personally, I don't think we can any longer say the comic is the main source for the Batman mythology, it's more like a template to work from. If Arkham Knight proves to be this awesome character he automatically becomes part of Batman lore regardless if DC want to adapt it into the comics or not.

 

[zenith16]

I actually think platforms like the Arkham Series is where the Batman mythology will eventually end up expanding in the future. I think the comics will forever be stuck in an endless loop of rehashing characters and plot devices simply because of the serial nature of the medium. With games, films and tv you're going to get new ideas being brought to the table because there's no canon to deal with, these mediums can expand and do as they please, introducing new characters and genuinely killing off old ones. Personally, I don't think we can any longer say the comic is the main source for the Batman mythology, it's more like a template to work from. If Arkham Knight proves to be this awesome character he automatically becomes part of Batman lore regardless if DC want to adapt it into the comics or not.

hmmm I'd say the reason they rehash stories & don't kill off some characters or have an over use of certain characters is cause they are afraid to loose certain cash cows . the problem is some characters became cash cows cause more talented writers took risks with a good story that was told while others that are of lesser talent see that as a reason to over use certain characters and put far too much energy/ attention into that one character or thing.


like I said once they did right with the golden age with batman to a degree there both death & there were other alliterative like batman becoming commissioner & they let his former sidekicks take over while he helped in other ways and took over in other ways.

It doesn't always have be death, but there are tons of ways with progression & also there's this stubborn I want this character in this same position for ever mentality with some writers & fans that stunting the growth.

captain America / Steve Rogers as director of shield or one of the many directors agenys have more the one in real Life, yeah let bucky should have stayed as cap. If steve Rogers wants to be in the field again have another alias related to the united states, but his rank should be above captain (there are far too many captain's) but still show he's moved on. Seriously why does there have to be alot of captains from the 40/60's any way? that obsession was a bit of weird trend especially now with Carole danvers .


the problem there is alot of the people that grew up with characters from the silver age that are afraid to let go. they leave come back (like casual readers) & say what happened? (when they weren't keeping up or fallowing heavily ) and want things back to the way it was when they read it and it seems like bickering and nothing moves forward or it's reverted back. there's always a way for progression and an alternatives. The problem is some people don't like change at all. but there's always room & death isn't always the only way for permanent progression to have happen.

That change with Bruce Wayne becoming commissioner was a smart move so was bat man incorporated, and the many teams batman made before that are in the books that are the Justice league and batman beyond . there's a happy middle ground there with batman to be explored there . same can be said for alot of other stuff


I don't think comic's are the problem in that they are stuck. it's just some of the certain people running the ships. Cause of how they want things to be, but a verity of stuff can be done still.


Look what happened when the do take risk and are rewarded like when Luke cage was pushed to the for front with marvel for example. I've always said it's a matter of "want and don't want " and most importantly execution.


I will agree though the other mediums are kicking the comic's industry butt these days. I see it all the time. but it's happening to some game makers as well. it just means it doesn't matter what medium it is. What matters is what's done in them .

 

[hafizbat]

I actually think platforms like the Arkham Series is where the Batman mythology will eventually end up expanding in the future. I think the comics will forever be stuck in an endless loop of rehashing characters and plot devices simply because of the serial nature of the medium. With games, films and tv you're going to get new ideas being brought to the table because there's no canon to deal with, these mediums can expand and do as they please, introducing new characters and genuinely killing off old ones. Personally, I don't think we can any longer say the comic is the main source for the Batman mythology, it's more like a template to work from. If Arkham Knight proves to be this awesome character he automatically becomes part of Batman lore regardless if DC want to adapt it into the comics or not.

Very well said. No better example than The Animated Series.