Batman Inc

As a fan of boredom, repetition and stagnation, I absolutely hate this idea, same with all other things Morrison has done on this title. Shame on Morrison for doing something different on the status quo, shame on Morrison for embracing all of Batman's history instead of throwing it under the carpet and pretending that the character was created in 1986 by Frank Miller.

SHAME ON HIM!





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Boo Morrison...

He's destroying Batman.

I think he's done nothing but made Batman about one hundred times more awesome! It will definitely be interesting to see where he takes this series. I listened to his panel back at the San Diego Comic Con again this weekend and he said that Batman Inc. was going to be sort of like that Brave and the Bold cartoon that was on cartoon network...except written by Morrison's awesomeness.
 
Morrison is just making Batman an idol not a symbol. This new era of Batman is basically the worst parts of Forever and all of B&R on paper...

This world-wide Batman League is so dumb. Bruce killing his own parents is dumb, Damien Wayne is dumb and having numerous "random" series running is dumb...

Morrison is just a kid playing on the beach but instead of adding to the sand castle he just is kicking over all the progress made and putting Barbie's beach house over it.

He is like the new Miller, trying to rattle the cages...

Don't get me wrong, I love progress; ADITF, Tim Drake, Knightfall, Cataclysm/NML, Murderer, War Games...

But, this "progress" doesn't even relate to the past. I can't even try to use this Morriosn era to build onto my collection. It feels like a bad elseworlds take. ugh...
 
Morrison is just making Batman an idol not a symbol. This new era of Batman is basically the worst parts of Forever and all of B&R on paper...

I don't even know what making Batman into an Idol instead of a symbol is supposed to mean. Is there a difference? And what on earth has Morrison's run on Batman got to do with the Schumacher Batman films? This doesn't even begin to make any sense. I'm not seeing Batman running around with a nipple suit, a batmobile driving on the walls and him and Robin ice skating with Mr Freeze's goons in the run.

This world-wide Batman League is so dumb. Bruce killing his own parents is dumb, Damien Wayne is dumb and having numerous "random" series running is dumb...

Wow, what a fantastic argument! So, what you're trying to tell me is...it's dumb? Your method of argument has enthralled me so much that I'm going to use it to critique all my Batman comics. Let's start with No Man's Land:

Gotham City having an earthquake is dumb. The government deciding that Gotham is a no man's land and not letting anyone enter or leave is dumb. Cassandra Cain being the new Batgirl is dumb. See what I did there?

And I don't honestly recall a single moment where Batman has killed his parents in the run, unless I missed something.

Morrison is just a kid playing on the beach but instead of adding to the sand castle he just is kicking over all the progress made and putting Barbie's beach house over it.

If you're trying to imply that Morrison has taken a giant dump over everything that came before him, you're wrong. I guess you must have missed the two issues after R.I.P. where every aspect of Batman's history was taken into account, including No Man's Land and Hush.

For the record: Morrison has done absolutely no damage to the character whatsoever. Even if you want to entertain the notion that Morrison's run is the worst Batman story in the history of the character, what damage has been done that can't be ignored by a future writer? Even Morrison has admitted that he doesn't expect writers after him to acknowledge what he's done. Everything is still the same as it was before Morrison got here, apart from who's Batman and who's Robin etc.

And other writers like Dini and Winnick and Hine and whoever have written Batman stories that aren't even remotely connected to what Morrison has been doing, so it's not like he's been imposing his run on others.


Bottom line, you don't like it? Fine. But don't act like Morrison is Satan or that he's a hack just because he isn't writing the stories that you expect out of Batman. As is said a million times before and after this post, there are many interpretations of Batman. None of them are wrong, they are just different.
 
One more thing, if writers don't "rattle the cages" as you put it every now and then, the comics get stale and boring. Batman didn't survive 70 years by writing the same story over and over. Just saying.
 
What's that about Batman killing his own parents? Where'd that come from?

People were talking about it in one of the threads here...

idk, I gave up on this "new" Batman so I just assumed thats what happened since people were talking about Bruce time traveling and the only way Morrison could get Bats to know he was Bats was by murdering his own parents in the past.

Yes, Dini is writing in this continuity but its for the not needed Batwoman series, not an actual worthwhile series like DET two years ago...
 
That was just a fan theory, doesn't mean Morrison is going to use it. If I had a theory that the Penguin was Bruce's father based on something that Morrison wrote, does that mean he's responsible for it?

And while Dini might be writing in the continuity he isn't acknowledging what Morrison is doing or using characters like the Black Glove and Professor Pyg, apart from Dick Grayson being Batman of course. Heart Of Hush was marketed as a tie-in to RIP in 2008 and yet the only reference it had to it was a brief mention of the Black Glove.

I also have no idea where you got the impression that Dini was involved in the Batwoman series, because there's nothing to even suggest such a thing. :huh:
 
What's that about Batman killing his own parents? Where'd that come from?

Probably people misquoting my troll posts. Basicly because Darkseid ruined Bruce's life, he corrupted Bruce's great-great grandfather who became an immortal devil worshipper and murdered the Wayne family. Morrison made the Silver Age origin canon but made so that the mob family who nailed down the Waynes was The Black Glove.

Anyhow:
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Dat Ass! Dat Cod Piece! This is a teaser for Batman Inc #1 where Bruce and Catwoman are stealing a weapon from Dr. Sivana. Also here's some quotes from Dan Didio himself regarding the Caped Crusader:
"Bruce Wayne realizes that he can't just be the grim avenger he was before," DiDio said. "He wants to be more aggressive in his reach, and realizes the change that Batman as a symbol can effect around the world."
In the new title, "Batman Inc.," Wayne does what any billionaire would: build a Starbucks-style franchise of Dark Knights.
"Without giving too much away here, we wanted to show how Batman can have a global influence," he said.
Joining the two Batmen will be Bruce Wayne's troubled son, Damian, who had already taken on the role of Robin after his father disappeared.
"So aside from the new interaction between the two Batmen, there's the interesting relationship between Bruce Wayne and his son," DiDio said.
To avoid confusion between the two Batmen, Grayson's costume features just the black bat logo, whereas Wayne's will include the black bat over a yellow moon.
As for Grayson, the Boy Wonder is now all grown up, DiDio said.
"Grayson's role really is the protector of Gotham City," he said. "But we thought it only made sense for Bruce Wayne, a billionaire, to take a more global view.
 
it is absolutely stupid when people comment on morrisons batman without actually reading it
 
it is absolutely stupid when people comment on morrisons batman without actually reading it


I don't even bother entertaining that type of ****. Such a waste of energy.
 
it is absolutely stupid when people comment on morrisons batman without actually reading it

I bought Resurrection of Ra's, Black Glove and R.I.P. to catch up and was abysmal and somewhat disgusted by the whole arc. So, I rightfully gave up on him. His Man-Bat army, Damien, Knight & Squire, Dick as Batman again (when Dick clearly stated after his stint in Prodigal, that he wasn't Bruce), Batwoman (Yes, this was on the side of Morrison involvement, but it's bad none-the-less), Joker's new mouth and a flying Batmobile were some of the worst things added into the Bat-mythos since Bat-Mite and the rest of the 50's and early 60's issues...

It's my opinion and stop being little girls about it. Not everyone loves everything. I've never outright hated a whole era of Batman since I started collecting. And, since the late 80's Ive only have disliked a series or two (Catwoman in the 90's, Huntress, BOP, Batgirl "Cassandra" at a time or cross-overs that should not affect Bats (Final Crisis, etc...). EDIT; Also, Spoiler as Robin was atrocious...

So, it really is something for one man to make me totally turn away from my favorite and only on going comic-book character and his world, that I've ever loved.

EDIT 2; I will give the current era of Batman only one "Benefit of the Doubt", the return of an Azreal. Even though it is not JPV, it is atleast a great and solid take on a new one but using the best of what was of JPV. I always hated how they pissed away the potential of that character. Yes, he was a *****e in Knightfall but his single series was amazing. Especially his Road to NML & NML period...
 
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I bought Resurrection of Ra's, Black Glove and R.I.P. to catch up and was abysmal and somewhat disgusted by the whole arc. So, I rightfully gave up on him. His Man-Bat army, Damien, Knight & Squire, Dick as Batman again (when Dick clearly stated after his stint in Prodigal, that he wasn't Bruce), Batwoman (Yes, this was on the side of Morrison involvement, but it's bad none-the-less), Joker's new mouth and a flying Batmobile were some of the worst things added into the Bat-mythos since Bat-Mite and the rest of the 50's and early 60's issues...

It's my opinion and stop being little girls about it. Not everyone loves everything. I've never outright hated a whole era of Batman since I started collecting. And, since the late 80's Ive only have disliked a series or two (Catwoman in the 90's, Huntress, BOP, Batgirl "Cassandra" at a time or cross-overs that should not affect Bats (Final Crisis, etc...).

So, it really is something for one man to make me totally turn away from my favorite and only on going comic-book character and his world, that I've ever loved.

Congrats...you dont like the first half of morrisons run...how that stops you from being a moron is your deduction, not anyone elses.

1. You dont know how Morrisons "Batman League" will work.

2. You think Morrison isnt relating to the past...when part of his whole run has been integrating Batman's ENTIRE HISTORY into one continuity.

3. "idk, I gave up on this "new" Batman so I just assumed thats what happened since people were talking about Bruce time traveling and the only way Morrison could get Bats to know he was Bats was by murdering his own parents in the past." Your words, not anyone elses.

4. The entire era of 90's Batman stories was about "rattling the cages". Breaking Batman's back and having him be replaced by a psycho? Having a plague ravage Gotham? Having Gotham rocked by an earthquake? And Morrison's the one who "Rattles the cage"?


See, the problem is that YOUR the one acting like a little girl. You're incredibly presumtuous about stories you havent actually read, while bashing morrison for supposedly doing the same thing those 90's stories did.

Instead of making up weak BS arguments, you should've just said you like Generic Batman, the guy who only fights mobsters and the same villains month after month. That would've made more sense.
 
I mean the book could always go back to what it was back in the late 50's and early 60's. We could have Batman and Robin Adam West style with ridiculous villains and a one dimensional Joker character.
 
Congrats...you dont like the first half of morrisons run...how that stops you from being a moron is your deduction, not anyone elses.

1. You dont know how Morrisons "Batman League" will work.

2. You think Morrison isnt relating to the past...when part of his whole run has been integrating Batman's ENTIRE HISTORY into one continuity.

3. "idk, I gave up on this "new" Batman so I just assumed thats what happened since people were talking about Bruce time traveling and the only way Morrison could get Bats to know he was Bats was by murdering his own parents in the past." Your words, not anyone elses.

4. The entire era of 90's Batman stories was about "rattling the cages". Breaking Batman's back and having him be replaced by a psycho? Having a plague ravage Gotham? Having Gotham rocked by an earthquake? And Morrison's the one who "Rattles the cage"?


See, the problem is that YOUR the one acting like a little girl. You're incredibly presumtuous about stories you havent actually read, while bashing morrison for supposedly doing the same thing those 90's stories did.

Instead of making up weak BS arguments, you should've just said you like Generic Batman, the guy who only fights mobsters and the same villains month after month. That would've made more sense.

This makes me :woot:.
 
Probably the most idiotic part of Ant's post was including Batwoman in his tirade against Morrison. Seriously, her series by Greg Rucka was one of the best comic stories of 2009, and she's one of the most interesting characters in the DC universe.

Ah well, as Socrates once lamented: Haters gonna hate.
 
Yeah. Lets not forget that amazing JH Williams artwork!
 
I'm not bashing Morrison's run with Batman because like some of you had said, it's not fair to bash it when you didn't read it. When I heard about the whole idea of "killing" Bruce, it sounded like something I wouldn't enjoy so I didn't pick it up and just wait for Bruce to come back.

Just from reading the posts above, I have to ask, did they really have Bruce kill his parents to keep Batman going? Not sure if that was speculation or if it's in the story since I haven't read any of it.
 
As I said before, no, that didn't happen. It was just a fan theory.

To be perfectly honest and at the risk of sounding like a jerk, I find it stupid to not pick up a comic run just because a fan has a theory about it that doesn't sit well with you. If it actually happened, fine, but geez....
 
Man I think this whole Batman INC is a great idea! Not only does Dick stay as Batman (and yes he did say he would never be Bruce before but people change and people grow as Dick has constantly been doing since his creation) but Bruce will now have amazing adventures around the world. I loved stories where Batman wouldn't just be in Gotham. To be honest I think Damian works well with Dick and Bruce will have his Robin in Tim as Red Robin. It's a great evolution of the character. If it doesn't work to begin with there are other writers who will strengthen the concept. Give it a chance before bashing it.
 
i find grant morrison's way of writing quite interesting.
confusing yet brilliant at first, he gradually reveals breadcrumbs of information and you can then re-read the story with a much deeper sense of satisfaction

and i gotta say, after being against damien at first, i now think he's pretty :awesome:

i gotta say i know where that guy who doesn't like morrison is coming from but all i can say is bare with him-- the man has a plan, and in time the awesomeness of that plan will unfold and be remembered as an integral part of the batman mythos.

need to adjust to that new costume though..........
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I don't understand how anyone hates the idea of ninja Man-bats. Or Knight and Squire.

I love that Morrison, instead of ignoring huge chunks of the characters history, embraces all of it.
 
I haven't touched a Batman comic in ages, Batman Inc is going to be my reintroduction to the Batverse. :o
 
Having Gotham rocked by an earthquake?
Ah, I loved No Man's Land. Wish it had lasted longer; great concept. Perfect story for Gotham.

As for Batman Inc., since it sounds like Morrison's team of Batmen isn't going to be made up of people in Batman costumes, but rather Batman-inspired heroes like Knight & Squire now with more direct backing from Bruce, I don't see the problem. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that detail.

As for both Dick and Bruce being Batman, that's pretty much what I was hoping to see. I have no idea if it's going to work out as well as it does for The Flash or Green Lantern, but how cool would it be if it did work out? Maybe they only mean for it to be a temporary arrangement, or maybe they're testing the water to see if it can stand in the long term, but either way I applaud them for taking the chance.

This also allows for Dick to be his own Batman, without being held back by the expectations of fans who want to see stories more appropriate for Bruce than for Dick. You get both! Win.
 

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