Batman: The Brave and the Bold or The Batman?

[Ziggyman]

Which show is better...Personally, I prefer TBATB even though I haven't seen a lot of either show. I think all/most of us can agree that TAS will be the best Batman cartoon...But who wins second...?

 

[WolfCypher]

The Batman. I hated that show, then Brave/Bold premiered, and now...I know what bad is.

Yes, I know BMBB is not aimed towards me. That's what makes this decision one sided.

 

[Temple Fugate]

the batman

i like BATB, but its just so campy

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Arghh... I like both shows, but I'll give it to Brave and the Bold. This show just has better writing, and is even less censored than The Batman. Then again, most of the people are from this show, so they probably learned their lesson.

 

[Drz]

Brave and the Bold. Only good thing from The Batman was the future episode where they make a tribute to The Dark Knight Returns.

 

[spiderfan970]

Brave and the Bold continues to keep me coming back every week! The Batman was entertaining in the later seasons...but just not as appealing to me. Brave and the Bold knows that it's a kid's cartoon show and celebrates it with every episode.

 

[ironman29758]

The Batman sure they left the comics sometimes like the Joker legs and hair and Mr.Freeze but Batman Brave and Bold got good points...froget it, come to me later.

 

[KBX]

Brave and the Bold.

Big reason I didn't get into The Batman, first couple of seasons was going on the same time JLU was on. I remember I was annoyed by it since bat embargo was on and JL couldn't use any of his villains.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

This is a tough one, for me. The Batman is definitely closer in tone and setting to 'my Batman', but BATB is just better written. In a perfect world TB would have had better scripts and would easily be the better of the two. Unlike most, I like the art style and designs, the animation was very fluid, and I liked most of the voice actors. Problem is only maybe 20 of the episodes are good. Out of 5 full length seasons that's nothing to write home about. They're only decent, if we're using BTAS as a benchmark.

B&TB is not my cup of tea but it's doing a better job at what it set out to do then TB did, so with that said I will hand the victory to B&TB, here.

 

[ironman29758]

why didn't they just combne the Batman tv show, Batman Brave and the bold and DCAU Batman and that would be the perfect tv show

 

[Jochimus]

B&TB for me, hands down. Mostly 'cuz it's NOT a watered-down, too-soon retread of B:TAS that can barely hold my attention for two episodes.

 

[Mistah K88]

BatB for me as well... This show does NOT try to be BTAS (because believe me...it won't be topped). The Batman happened to come on during the run of Justice League and then the Bat Embargo showed up. It stings more when you hear that they were pitching around Poison Ivy stories, Scarecrow was going to take Dr Destiny's place, and seeing Hugo Stange being part of Cadmus to never show up again. Also, The Batman was poorly written, there were some good episodes sure, but it didn't really start to get good until season 4 and then in season 5 they made it Batman with guest hero of the week, which I didn't care for...and plus, they screwed up the Penguin (one of my favorite villains).

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

BatB for me as well... This show does NOT try to be BTAS (because believe me...it won't be topped). The Batman happened to come on during the run of Justice League and then the Bat Embargo showed up. It stings more when you hear that they were pitching around Poison Ivy stories, Scarecrow was going to take Dr Destiny's place, and seeing Hugo Stange being part of Cadmus to never show up again. Also, The Batman was poorly written, there were some good episodes sure, but it didn't really start to get good until season 4 and then in season 5 they made it Batman with guest hero of the week, which I didn't care for...and plus, they screwed up the Penguin (one of my favorite villains).

OK, let me clarify some things:

The rejected Poison Ivy scripts were a decision made by Bruce Timm himself, before there was even an embargo, to give more focus to the League itself.

Scarecrow taking Destiny's place is an unfounded rumor. Again, Destiny showed up before there was even an embargo, while Joker and the other villains showed up in the series.

As for Strange, why do people get angry about that? So, having a minor cameo in the Cadmus arc is much better than having him in another show as a well-developed character, and main threat?

 

[escobar2248]

I really enjoy watching BATB with my 2 year old. I've seen every BTAS and The Batman episode and I can say that BATB does have it's campy moments, but I believe that they are put there on purpose from the writers.

 

[DavidTyler]

In My Opinion - Brave and Bold is pure cosmic drek.

The Batman, while not as engaging as Batman: The Animated Series, was a far better show and even it's campy moments were no where near as off the chart as B&B.

Watch it if you want but I'm hoping it quietly goes away.

 

[WolfCypher]

I really enjoy watching BATB with my 2 year old. I've seen every BTAS and The Batman episode and I can say that BATB does have it's campy moments, but I believe that they are put there on purpose from the writers.

They were put in on purpose by the writers. That's the route the show is going. Old school Batman. The Brave & the Bold comics were old school. Some fans like this direction, others don't.

 

[Mistah K88]

OK, let me clarify some things:

The rejected Poison Ivy scripts were a decision made by Bruce Timm himself, before there was even an embargo, to give more focus to the League itself.

Scarecrow taking Destiny's place is an unfounded rumor. Again, Destiny showed up before there was even an embargo, while Joker and the other villains showed up in the series.

As for Strange, why do people get angry about that? So, having a mishow as a well-developed character, and main threat?

nor cameo in the Cadmus arc is much better than having him in another

Well, I knew about the Ivy thing, they wanted to stay away from using already established villains (that is why they were only in the script stage). They sure did rely on Superman villains in the end though... Had the Bat Embargo not existed (heck even The Batman couldn't use Scarecrow because of it [Batman Begins]) we may have seen something.

The Destiny thing, I did not know...It seemed like some kind of Scarecrow-ish idea though.

As for Strange, I do want to give credit for making Strange a threat (even though one of his episodes was originally a Scarecrow episode [does this guy get the shaft or what?]) However, we don't really know what he was going to do in the Cadmus arc...well atleast we got Dr Milo...

 

[DavidTyler]

They were put in on purpose by the writers. That's the route the show is going. Old school Batman. The Brave & the Bold comics were old school. Some fans like this direction, others don't.

You must have been reading some different Brave & Bold comics because the ones I read were drawn by the likes of Jim Aparo and Nick Cardy and weren't the least bit campy.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

^ I don't know why they didn't go for something closer to that. Both in art style and tone.

You don't have to have such goofy art and hearty helping of humor/camp/whatever to make kids entertainment.

I would cream my jeans for this show if it were more like the actual comics I can remember taking a peak at (can't say I was a regular reader as I wasn't born during the heyday of this series). Basically the cartoon seems more like the concept of the comic with the style of the Adam West series. Which I like but I like it more where it belongs, in that TV show.

Can you imagine Aparo or Adams inspired art in animation? Man...do want.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

I'm not getting where these ideas of "camp" and "Adam West-like" are coming from, and I love camp and Adam West a lot. This show is not a direct satire and spoof of the genre/subject matter, which is what camp is. The creators of this show love the mythos and B:TBATB upholds that respect. It harkens back to the days of a funner, more globe trotting Batman, which is something I think is necessary at the moment, especially for those fans who seem so embarrased about Batman that they'll only take him in "dark with a side order of murder" helpings. I'm not saying this is the case with all fans, or with people posting before me, but I get sick with a lot of the newcomer teenage crowd angsting over how Batman should be dark at all times, to the point where it seems they get aroused by permanent bleakness.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

I'm not getting where these ideas of "camp" and "Adam West-like" are coming from, and I love camp and Adam West a lot. This show is not a direct satire and spoof of the genre/subject matter, which is what camp is. The creators of this show love the mythos and B:TBATB upholds that respect. It harkens back to the days of a funner, more globe trotting Batman, which is something I think is necessary at the moment, especially for those fans who seem so embarrased about Batman that they'll only take him in "dark with a side order of murder" helpings. I'm not saying this is the case with all fans, or with people posting before me, but I get sick with a lot of the newcomer teenage crowd angsting over how Batman should be dark at all times, to the point where it seems they get aroused by permanent bleakness.

*sigh* 1: look in a dictionary, camp does not have to be self-parody, it's like a cold, there's more than one symptom.

2: This show is silly. I admit it's done well but it's still campy and goofy and that's still the biggest thing holding it back.

3: The comics being reference are not like this show or the 'dark with a side of murder' Batman whatever you mentioned. It's like they smooshed the comics with Mayor West's version. Doing a disservice to both, IMHO.

4: Way to generalize the people that like the edgier, more serious (and in BTAS/Nolan's case, better) Batman as angsty, hormonal, probably emo teenagers. I know you don't mean everybody, but that's a ******** generalization.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I wouldn't mind a tongue in cheek modern animated version of the 60's show, or a adaptation of the wild but still played straight adventures of the 70's team up comic, I just don't want their bastard love-child. Like I said, detracts from both, IMO.

 

[SHADOWBAT69]

Said it once, and Ill say it again. You dont like it, stop watching it.

 

[The_Riddler?]

So many of you are still arguing the same old, tired points. This show was created to counter all the grim and dark thats been done to death over the last so many years. It is being done by a group of creators who grew up on the Adam West series, and thats what they want to present to the target audience. The title of Brave and the Bold was taken because it is presenting the same format in which the comic was, a team up book. That doesnt mean that they are going to copy the art style as well. Oh, and just in case everyone didnt know this, there are people on this new show that also worked with Timm and Dini as well as Matsuda(sp?) on both BTAS and TB. They all wanted something different, which is something that ALOT of you are dead set against. As stated above, you dont like this, then dont watch it.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

Said it once, and Ill say it again. You dont like it, stop watching it.

Theoretically the same reasoning applies to Batman & Robin. But not many like that so the point doesn't come up much.

Look, I've said several times that after giving it more of a chance I do like it now, for what it is.

But that doesn't mean I'm just gonna accept it and have not a negative word to say because the're not gonna do anything about it till it's canceled. Or because you and other's like it wholeheartedly and don't wanna hear any badmouthing of it.

They could have done something better. It didn't have to be a BTAS retread, it didn't have to be the diet coke of the live-action movies, but it could have been better than what they came up with. Which is basically a 20 minute toy commercial with some shining moments and loose connection (really only the concept, IMO) to a 40 year old comic book series that was shelved almost 30 years ago.

So many of you are still arguing the same old, tired points.

Just to begin, why are the detracting points old and tired but your blind support is always new and fresh?

This show was created to counter all the grim and dark thats been done to death over the last so many years.

See my above posts, not everyone is opposed to something different. I still don't understand why 'for kids' or 'different' has to equal 'intentionally silly and garish', now.

You can still play something straight without it being grim, ya know?

It is being done by a group of creators who grew up on the Adam West series, and thats what they want to present to the target audience. The title of Brave and the Bold was taken because it is presenting the same format in which the comic was, a team up book.

Yeah, we know, the combination is the bad part, because both were good (the comic was better) but when you combine them it takes both down.

That doesnt mean that they are going to copy the art style as well.

It's just a wish. Those are two of the best artists in comic book history, why wouldn't you wanna copy that? Especially when you're supposedly basing a large part of your work on their stories?

Not to mention that would also be different as we've never had that before. You guys keep harping on different. Well, that's different. This show is not that different, it's just different from the wannabe anime of the last show. It's very similar to Timm, just with a big emphasis on the bright and friendly.

Oh, and just in case everyone didnt know this, there are people on this new show that also worked with Timm and Dini as well as Matsuda(sp?) on both BTAS and TB. They all wanted something different, which is something that ALOT of you are dead set against.

Those guys are not gods, but besides that they aren't involved with this series. Just because some underlings of truly great creators make a show doesn't make it more worthy of praise or shielded from critcism.

And, yet again, not everyone is against change. Jeez.

As stated above, you dont like this, then dont watch it.

Again, complaints are old and tired but this bs which I see just as often isn't? And no, I will not stop watching. I enjoy some of the gags so I'll keep viewing when there's nothing better to do. Mainly for those cheap laughs and overall because I'm obsessed with these characters, Batman in particular and am always craving more. I'll still be largely dissapointed, though.

The jokes are the best part of this show, but lemme put it this way. I really enjoyed Aquaman in the last episode. However, his characterization really made me think of Peter Griffin with superpowers. It was funny, but it's not Aquaman when you get down to it. If I want to see a comedy I'll go watch a comedy. If you're gonna do a show like this make it more like the comic it's based off of or do a modern animated Adam West show. Pick one, cause they just don't mesh as smoothly as if you had just taken one concept or the other and ran with it.

I'll say it once more to drive the point home: It's heavily based on someone else's art style that we've already seen for over a decade in animation, and it's a bad fusion of two completely different works from decades ago. The show works, but for Pete's sake it's certainly not that original. And it's not the only way they could have gone.

It's far from the best direction they could have taken, as well, but in the end that one's all opinion, I guess.

 

[November Rain]

i'm surprised by this, i thought this show was going down well and i thought the batman was universally hated.