BvS Batman Vs. Superman... can this be a fair physical fight?

[DKDetective]

No it 's Batman V.(not vs.) Superman which, according to Snyder himself, is to indicate that the fight between the two is not the main focus of the movie.

That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever seen on this forum. I can't believe you people actually fell for that baloney. The "v" means the parties are adversaries, which is why in legal case citation, matters that are not adversarial in nature are often titled something like "Re: Bentham Estate". They were just trying to make it seem classier or something. Snyder was making a false distinction. The conflict between the two characters may not actually be the core focus of the film as Snyder is alleging, but Batman v Superman literally means Batman versus Superman.

 

[WBwins]

That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever seen on this forum. I can't believe you people actually fell for that baloney. The "v" means the parties are adversaries, which is why in legal case citation, matters that are not adversarial in nature are often titled something like "Re: Bentham Estate". They were just trying to make it seem classier or something. Snyder was making a false distinction. The conflict between the two characters may not actually be the core focus of the film as Snyder is alleging, but Batman v Superman literally means Batman versus Superman.

Thank you for pionting this out.Agree completely

The fact of the matter is BVS is being heavily marketed as a movie with Superman fighting Batman.It is not being marketed as a Superman teaming up with Batman movie.

So expect Supes and Bats to be on opposing sides for a large amount of the movie before teaming up.This is why I dont exepect there to be one singular fight between the 2 but more.

 

[CGNefarious]

I know it's a bit off-topic, but I honestly cannot wait for the marketing campaign for this movie. I know it's a bit cheesy, and will cause endless debates, but I would love for a sort of Team Bats and Team Supes kind of deal if just for the merchandise I can spend way too much money on alone.

I am way too excited for this movie...

 

[larryfilmmaker]

Superman has already defeated stronger and smarter opponents that used Kryptonite. Stronger, Metallo. Smarter, Lex Luthor. Batman only wins or fights Superman to a standstill, when literally everything is written in Batman's favor, Superman holds back, and also suddenly is an idiot.

This is the trick to making Batman win. Subtract 50 IQ points from Supes every time Batman comes around, make Superman forget everything he knows, make him weaker, slower, and more hesitant to fight. Also, give Batman ideas, like "using kryptonite" (anything a child could think of in 5 seconds), but claim it's a genius plan only Batman could think of.

 

[hafizbat]

That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever seen on this forum. I can't believe you people actually fell for that baloney. The "v" means the parties are adversaries, which is why in legal case citation, matters that are not adversarial in nature are often titled something like "Re: Bentham Estate". They were just trying to make it seem classier or something. Snyder was making a false distinction. The conflict between the two characters may not actually be the core focus of the film as Snyder is alleging, but Batman v Superman literally means Batman versus Superman.

This.

 

[CGNefarious]

This is the trick to making Batman win. Subtract 50 IQ points from Supes every time Batman comes around, make Superman forget everything he knows, make him weaker, slower, and more hesitant to fight. Also, give Batman ideas, like "using kryptonite" (anything a child could think of in 5 seconds), but claim it's a genius plan only Batman could think of.

Unfortunately that is often what is done in the comics, including the much loved Dark Knight Returns. And it is exactly the kind of crappy writing I am hoping Snyder and Terrio are above. I'd like to say I can't see them actually going that route, but it's used far too often in the source material for comfort. In reality (you know what I mean) if Superman wants to beat Batman, he does. End of story. But he will be holding back and he can be surprised. We shall see how this goes.

 

[Lencho01]

That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever seen on this forum. I can't believe you people actually fell for that baloney. The "v" means the parties are adversaries, which is why in legal case citation, matters that are not adversarial in nature are often titled something like "Re: Bentham Estate". They were just trying to make it seem classier or something. Snyder was making a false distinction. The conflict between the two characters may not actually be the core focus of the film as Snyder is alleging, but Batman v Superman literally means Batman versus Superman.

Thank you for pionting this out.Agree completely

The fact of the matter is BVS is being heavily marketed as a movie with Superman fighting Batman.It is not being marketed as a Superman teaming up with Batman movie.

So expect Supes and Bats to be on opposing sides for a large amount of the movie before teaming up.This is why I dont exepect there to be one singular fight between the 2 but more.

This.

I think Snyder wants us to pronounce it as "Batman Vee Superman: Dawn of Justice." t:

 

[batman1]

I'm no writer, so I can't really say. Batman is a master strategist, so maybe he is so on his game that he is just one step ahead of Superman the entire fight. Now his tactics would ultimately just be stalling and not really hurt Superman much, being the god that he is, but to show Batman as a mere mortal being able to even stand on par with the god that is Superman for just five minutes would be a tribute to his tenacity, skill, and intellect. I think there's a very good chance the fight will either end in a draw, or the outcome will be intentionally ambiguous. Batman cannot beat Superman, and Superman would never go all out against Batman. Snyder knows this and I'm sure he will use it. I just hope it is done well.

If they do Kryptonite well, I will be fine with it. It would just be some much more satisfying to me if they can show respect to both characters without it. It will most likely be in the film anyway, but really as long as neither character is belittled I will be happy.

Batman would never fight Kal-El without a plan. He knows he would be destroyed without an ace in the hole. How about getting some crystals from the fotress of solitude and using the formula they used in Sperman 2 to temporarily take his powers. The Wayne satelite can do that.

 

[batman1]

I have to also believe that if Lex can outsmart Supes so can Batman. Lex has weakened Supes and beat him up and supes came back.

 

[CGNefarious]

I agree with you. Batman would never fight Superman without some sort of plan. The thing is that in this universe Batman presumably knows very little about Superman. I'm assuming he'll be able to use his connections or info from his satellites to find out how the Kryptonian atmosphere affected him, and maybe somehow from there he could extrapolate that the shards from Krypton might have some effect on his powers, but even that seems a bit thin as is.

There is no fortress of solitude anymore and any crystals or formula used in Superman II are not really applicable in this universe. Besides, IMO that is a really lame plot device. Snyder can do better than that.

 

[CGNefarious]

I might be mistaken, but isn't Lex smarter than Bruce?

 

[DKDetective]

I think Snyder wants us to pronounce it as "Batman Vee Superman: Dawn of Justice." t:

Well, if Snyder really wants us to use in the legalistic way as he suggested in that one interview, you would say it out loud "Batman against Superman: Dawn of Justice" or "Batman and Superman: Dawn of Justice" (hate to admit the latter, but lawyers are taught to be super formalistic and cordial, so opposing counsel is always referred to as "my learned friend")

 

[batman1]

I might be mistaken, but isn't Lex smarter than Bruce?

Batman has a criminal mind and behavior except he doesn't kill and he's on the good side. And really your question shouls be used to start another thread

I believe he is. But the main thing is he will stoop to any level to win just like the Joker, Loki, Lex, etc.

 

[batman1]

I agree with you. Batman would never fight Superman without some sort of plan. The thing is that in this universe Batman presumably knows very little about Superman. I'm assuming he'll be able to use his connections or info from his satellites to find out how the Kryptonian atmosphere affected him, and maybe somehow from there he could extrapolate that the shards from Krypton might have some effect on his powers, but even that seems a bit thin as is.

There is no fortress of solitude anymore and any crystals or formula used in Superman II are not really applicable in this universe. Besides, IMO that is a really lame plot device. Snyder can do better than that.

Hmmm. He unerstand that at night and with some way of hurting him first like explosives he can do damage. They showed just enough to wet everyones appetite.

 

[CGNefarious]

Superman doesn't really get weaker at night. His body stores the sun's energy like a battery, so fighting him at night won't really give Batman any physical advantage.

 

[batman1]

He'll have some kind of advandtage or he wouldn't fight him. Who knows what Snyder has in mind.

 

[dhandler01]

Batman would never fight Kal-El without a plan. He knows he would be destroyed without an ace in the hole. How about getting some crystals from the fotress of solitude and using the formula they used in Sperman 2 to temporarily take his powers. The Wayne satelite can do that.

Uhhh...Superman 2 is a completely different continuity. There is no crystals from the fortress for Batman to get.

Seriously I think some of you Bat-fans are putting too much into this "fight".

 

[batman1]

Uhhh...Superman 2 is a completely different continuity. There is no crystals from the fortress for Batman to get.

Seriously I think some of you Bat-fans are putting too much into this "fight".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzBQWCVEou4

We're just brainstorming in a playful way. We know they will fight. Don't get so serious. It's all make believe in case you didn't know. I could say Peter Pan drops a hook on one of them and it still doesn't really matter. We're entertaining ourselves. Remember that next time you try and Lecture somebody.

 

[batman1]

The more I think about it if Supes won it wouldn't be true to the original material. So he has to lost.

 

[dhandler01]

What material...this isnt a live action TDKR.

 

[batman1]

You don't know that.

 

[Bathead]

You don't know that.

Snyder has said it's not, so yeah, we do know that.

 

[Lencho01]

Well, if Snyder really wants us to use in the legalistic way as he suggested in that one interview, you would say it out loud "Batman against Superman: Dawn of Justice" or "Batman and Superman: Dawn of Justice" (hate to admit the latter, but lawyers are taught to be super formalistic and cordial, so opposing counsel is always referred to as "my learned friend")

Much like his explanation for having Superman kill and all that death and destruction in MOS, I just went "Huh?" after reading what he said about the "versus."

 

[Jekecy]

Snyder has said it's not, so yeah, we do know that.

How quickly we forget Snyder vehemently dismissing the idea that Zod was the main villain.

 

[Bathead]

How quickly we forget Snyder vehemently dismissing the idea that Zod was the main villain.

Meh. So what? Until he says different, I'm gonna go with what he said.