BvS Batman Vs. Superman... can this be a fair physical fight?

[vantheman77]

WB and Zack Snyder will have to please both Superman and Batman fans in order to avoid getting backlash from one or the other. If they do fight once or twice, I have to wonder if Wonder Woman is going to get involved as well to put a stop to it.

 

[batman1]

Why did they push it back to 2016?

 

[rockandrollsoul]

In a recent interview, Zack Snyder said that an early idea to introduce Batman was to show him in his cave with some Kryptonite in an end credits sequence. Obviously, he was talking about an early concept and it doesn't necessarily confirm the existence of Kyrptonite in BvS, but it does show he's not averse to using it.

Personally, I think it's necessary. There's absolutely no way Batman could physically contend with Superman without him being weakened significantly. Plus, it puts Supes in a situation where he's out of his element: he's forced to overcome a situation without being able to rely on the use of his (full) God-like powers.

Ultimately, I bet we'll see something similar to TDKR, where Bats will use everything he's got to distract, confuse, and weaken Superman, including the green rock. And I think that could be awesome.

 

[matt47]

If the convo right now is if Kryptonite is in this universe I have no doubt it is. Zack said multiple times in interviews for MoS that just because Kryptonite isn't in MoS, doesn't mean it's not in this universe. Which basically confirms that he is planning to use it.

 

[vantheman77]

If Superman and Batman do fight each other twice, is it going to be where Superman wins one fight and Batman wins another?

 

[Bathead]

If Superman and Batman do fight each other twice, is it going to be where Superman wins one fight and Batman wins another?

I really think it's only going to be one relatively short fight, and the outcome will be inconclusive.

 

[WBwins]

I really think it's only going to be one relatively short fight, and the outcome will be inconclusive.

That would be disppionting. The movie is marketed as Batman vs Superman to the GA.So theyll expect it to be about that mostly.I think Bats and Supes should teamup in the last third of the movie

 

[Bathead]

That would be disppionting. The movie is marketed as Batman vs Superman to the GA.So theyll expect it to be about that mostly.I think Bats and Supes should teamup in the last third of the movie

No it 's Batman V.(not vs.) Superman which, according to Snyder himself, is to indicate that the fight between the two is not the main focus of the movie.

 

[vantheman77]

There was a reason they put v instead of vs. If it was vs, then Superman and Batman would fight each other throughout the film and not team-up.

The focus will likely be Superman and Batman encountering other heroes like Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Cyborg.

 

[WBwins]

No it 's Batman V.(not vs.) Superman which, according to Snyder himself, is to indicate that the fight between the two is not the main focus of the movie.

The GA wont care the difference between V and vs.They see the title and they will expect a versus film just like a lot of you guys did still Snyder clarified it.And you can bet that the trailers would heavily market it as a versus movie.
So audience will be a expecting a movie that majority consists of Bats vs Supes and thats what I think well get.Maybe 2/3rd of the movie will be Bats vs Supes and the Last third will be the teamup.

 

[Reiter]

There was a reason they put v instead of vs. If it was vs, then Superman and Batman would fight each other throughout the film and not team-up.

The focus will likely be Superman and Batman encountering other heroes like Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Cyborg.

That would be really great. Dealing with other as well as other heroes and finally realising what they have in common and turn their attention to Lex and deal with him.

 

[batman1]

Makes sense.

 

[dhandler01]

The GA wont care the difference between V and vs.They see the title and they will expect a versus film just like a lot of you guys did still Snyder clarified it.And you can bet that the trailers would heavily market it as a versus movie.
So audience will be a expecting a movie that majority consists of Bats vs Supes and thats what I think well get.Maybe 2/3rd of the movie will be Bats vs Supes and the Last third will be the teamup.

The general audience wont give two licks. They will see what the movie is about from trailers and go see it. They will like it or dislike it irregardless of how much Batman and Superman fight.

Plus there are plenty of ways to confront someone without fighting physically...

You dont go from a fight like in TDKR to Justice League...it makes zero sense story wise.

 

[Reiter]

The general audience wont give two licks. They will see what the movie is about from trailers and go see it. They will like it or dislike it irregardless of how much Batman and Superman fight.

Plus there are plenty of ways to confront someone without fighting physically...

You dont go from a fight like in TDKR to Justice League...it makes zero sense story wise.

The bat armor and other heavy TDRK influences say otherwise. I say this because i'd love to see Batman fight with brains and not brawn. Admittedly there were a lot of brains involved in the TDKR fight, but it doesnt negate the fact that it was a fistfight.

 

[JOE]

I don't buy Superman and Batman being on a level playing field WITHOUT the use of Kryptonite. It's just not logical.

 

[dhandler01]

The bat armor and other heavy TDRK influences say otherwise. I say this because i'd love to see Batman fight with brains and not brawn. Admittedly there were a lot of brains involved in the TDKR fight, but it doesnt negate the fact that it was a fistfight.

That was a scene for the Comic Con crowd...no one knows if it is in the movie. Plus even if you assume it does occur in the film you have no clue what comes next or why they are meeting.

Not to mention WW isn't there and something tells me she figures into all this.

 

[CGNefarious]

Unfortunately writers in the comics have often used kryptonite as a crutch for really poor writing, and that has led for a knee-jerk distaste from me whenever it is mentioned. I just hope that if Snyder does use it, which seems likely, he does it well in both plot and execution. I don't want any Smallville (TV show) flashbacks with this movie.

 

[moviefreak]

IIRC, Zack Snyder said that in MOS, there is no Kryptonite but it doesn't mean that in MOS' universe Superman came across one.

Kryptonite is specific to Superman, his homeworld and the Kryptontian. So, any story in the sequel (BvS, MOS 2, etc.,) will likely to have to have some connection to Zod's invasion in MOS, and the earlier Kryptontian scout ships. Or it could involve new story like Brainiac-Kryptontian.

So unless Batman could get hold of some Kryptonite, he will stand no chance against Superman simply because of his speed alone.

 

[batman1]

They're going to fight! It's on!

 

[CGNefarious]

To be honest, I would absolutely love it if they found a way to make this a reasonable fight without the use of kryptonite. It has the potential to make Batman look like a complete bad*** without introducing the lamest plot device in Superman's lore. I doubt it'll happen, but a guy can dream right?

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

To be honest, I would absolutely love it if they found a way to make this a reasonable fight without the use of kryptonite. It has the potential to make Batman look like a complete bad*** without introducing the lamest plot device in Superman's lore. I doubt it'll happen, but a guy can dream right?

I agree with this, but I don't think they will. I think most people know about kryptonite and it's affect on Superman, and I'm certain most other people don't know his other weaknesses.

 

[dhandler01]

How could they fo that without making Superman look lame? The guy fought other God's and won but some guy in a bat suit can be even with him?

No thanks that is something I have zero interest in.

 

[batman1]

Nothing wrong with Kryptonite being used. The fight is the most important thing. I wish the clip was still up.

 

[lime]

It is obvious that Batman will have little green advantage.

 

[CGNefarious]

How could they do that without making Superman look lame? The guy fought other God's and won but some guy in a bat suit can be even with him?

No thanks that is something I have zero interest in.

I'm no writer, so I can't really say. Batman is a master strategist, so maybe he is so on his game that he is just one step ahead of Superman the entire fight. Now his tactics would ultimately just be stalling and not really hurt Superman much, being the god that he is, but to show Batman as a mere mortal being able to even stand on par with the god that is Superman for just five minutes would be a tribute to his tenacity, skill, and intellect. I think there's a very good chance the fight will either end in a draw, or the outcome will be intentionally ambiguous. Batman cannot beat Superman, and Superman would never go all out against Batman. Snyder knows this and I'm sure he will use it. I just hope it is done well.

If they do Kryptonite well, I will be fine with it. It would just be some much more satisfying to me if they can show respect to both characters without it. It will most likely be in the film anyway, but really as long as neither character is belittled I will be happy.