The Dark Knight Batman's Theme Music in TDK

[DeaDheaD]

I dont think our president can say Isolated, so that doesnt apply

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Kudos to the jokes.

Also to the fact you ignored I said I loved BB soundtrack (it wouldn't help your points to acknowledge that, I understand) and the rest of what I said.

Yes, writing with 11! and 'teh' will make a point for you. Keep trying.

You ignored the fact that I never said otherwise about you loving the score. My point, as you so eloquently missed, was that Nolan and Zimmer don't know what they're doing with the score, so let's bring back 2 guys who are at least sure of it, which was mixed in by the way with a nice helping of sarcasm.

I wonder what craziness that composer will think of next! Misleading and/or outright lying about a so-called earned theme while El Payaso, the expert of all things sets us straight with his inhuman perception and amazing clairvoyance!

I mean, the film does a poor job of showing Batman's progress, so why in the world would a score show this progress musically as well? Crazy!!

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

lol@ people taking Zimmer's " He hasnt earned his theme" comment literally

" Your so suppose to give him one...your paid for it....grrrr"

LOL!

Well, I have a hard time understanding your post, but I take it we should instead take his quote figuratively?

Interview from Coming Soon...

CS: Well, I'll be there if it happens. As far as "The Dark Knight" are you just trying different things? Is it going to be a completely different approach, different look or feel than the first movie?

Zimmer: No, it's going to evolve. There is a big Batman theme, which I was playing with for the last one, but I always felt the character hadn't earned it yet, so I just want to go play around and I want to go and complete the theme, so that's part of the idea. I felt James [Newton Howard] and I had a good start, and now it would be really nice to develop that world a little further.

Interview from Soundtrack.net

In the score to the first film, the main "Batman" theme only shows up towards the end, kind of like a springboard for the second film...
Zimmer: Absolutely, that's the whole idea. It's Batman Begins! There's a whole theme that's written and on purpose not in the movie. We were basically betting that this movie might work out alright and there would be another one, so we wanted the character to develop. He hasn't earned that theme yet!

He sure is lying a lot!

 

[DeaDheaD]

They want devolepment, from the characters to the theme, HA!! TAKE THAT RAIMI!!!!

 

[El Payaso]

I dont think our president can say Isolated, so that doesnt apply

Too good I said Presidents, like in plural.

You ignored the fact that I never said otherwise about you loving the score. My point, as you so eloquently missed, was that Nolan and Zimmer don't know what they're doing with the score, so let's bring back 2 guys who are at least sure of it, which was mixed in by the way with a nice helping of sarcasm.

Yes, sarcasm doesn't always help. No, no one needs Goldenthal in order to make Zimmer admit he's just changing the theme for some reason (Nolan's orders?, studios' orders? He thinks it's not good enough himself?) and he's disguising that fact under some "earning" euphemism.

I wonder what craziness that composer will think of next!

"We couldn't have made this ten years ago" or "John Smith was the perfect actor for this role, I could not think of anyone else for it" are some directors favourite meaningless lines. Maybe in the future composers could add some "what happens is that my previous Bat-theme had too many notes" ala Emperor Joseph in Amadeus to the "characters must earn themes" nonsense?

Misleading and/or outright lying about a so-called earned theme while El Payaso, the expert of all things sets us straight with his inhuman perception and amazing clairvoyance!

For the second time is not lying, just disguising with more memorable (but absurd) words the simple fact that someone decided to just change the theme.

That doesn't need clairvoyance. It's pretty obvious.

I mean, the film does a poor job of showing Batman's progress, so why in the world would a score show this progress musically as well? Crazy!!

The score can progress all it wants. Progress because he doesn't want to repeat himself in a sequel oozes honesty. Changing the theme for a different one because the character has "earned" it? Please.

 

[El Payaso]

They want devolepment, from the characters to the theme, HA!! TAKE THAT RAIMI!!!!

LOL

Indeed

 

[DeaDheaD]

Too good I said Presidents, like in plural.
No wonder BB and its music sucked. Bring back Schumacher and Goldenthal STAT!

What a terrible thing to say, not cool..............not cool.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

So when Zimmer says ( in a nutshell) just like the franchise is showing the evolution of the mythology and showing Batman's development he wants to develop the score diagetically speaking as well, we should be mad at him? I think it makes sense though, no?
What I enjoy about this franchise is that it shows how a regular world becomes the Gotham we all know, the scores are in tune with that as well.

 

[DeaDheaD]

He maybe should've worded it better(to here Batman hasnt earned it yet, just sounds weird), but its good to see continuity, and them trying to improve and expand what they've built.

 

[El Payaso]

What a terrible thing to say, not cool..............not cool.

Haha, not my words, not my words

*does the Sam Hamm pleading innocence gesture*

 

[Super_Ludacris]

He maybe should've worded it better(to here Batman hasnt earned it yet, just sounds weird), but its good to see continuity, and them trying to improve and expand what they've built.

Yeah but who would take that in the literal sense?

 

[DeaDheaD]

Die-hard fanboys, read the first couple pages of this thread, its teh sadz

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Die-hard fanboys, read the first couple pages of this thread, its teh sadz

Well there's a few morons I see there from other boards and threads so no suprised (lol@ Majik's dumbasst:..." I call BS pathetic excuse!!!)

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

For the second time is not lying, just disguising with more memorable (but absurd) words the simple fact that someone decided to just change the theme.

Ah, ok. But I haven't seen a quote or anything even resembling evidence to back up your claim. I am sure however that it's just a slight oversight on your part and in your next post you'll share this valuable information and enlighten us how you can possibly see through this ruse.

In all seriousness, you have no evidence to prove your claims.

On the other hand, we have two pieces of evidence prove your claim is insofar incorrect.

First, the score itself. There is the HINT of a theme in the score, but it isn't a complete theme. We hear a lot of repetitions, a theme building to something, alluding to something, but the theme never reaches a crescendo.

Its similar to the prequel trilogy, where we hear the first few notes of the Imperial March occasionally, but it is only later in the trilogy that we hear a full fledged Imperial March theme. No, it wasn't a new theme changed out of "boredom" as you --to be frank -- ridiculously claim.

Of course, the second piece of evidence is from the composer's mouth. Sure, he could be lying, or whatever nicer way you put it. But when the movie comes out, and if there is a whole new theme, he would be proven to be a liar, and they won't use the nicer term you came up with to describe his supposed charade.

That doesn't need clairvoyance. It's pretty obvious.

How can it be obvious when there is absolutely NOTHING to support your theory? Rather smug don't you think to assume we take your word over actual evidence.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Yeah but who would take that in the literal sense?

Again, what other way is there to take it? You haven't answered this question.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Again, what other way is there to take it? You haven't answered this question.

Like a figure of speech? metomorphically speaking? Him being tounge and cheek? I mean shoot come on dude....

 

[DeaDheaD]

Well there's a few morons I see there from other boards and threads so no suprised (lol@ Majik's dumbasst:..." I call BS pathetic excuse!!!)

Everythings goes from one end of the spectrum to the other, most of us know that Zimmer is talking about the Nolan franchise, as he hasnt earned in that, but still there's about 6 movies, 1000's of books and 70 years that say Zimmer could have said that differently........

I know what Zimmer meant, some people cant get it, but it is still kind of funny to read.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

lol you know

 

[DeaDheaD]

Most pepople should be able to interpret what he means...........nevermind that does look arrogant.

 

[Batman_316]

Do you think that its gonna be the music that's playing when he's at arkham and the one at the end credits?

 

[gwynplaine]

I don't know but I can't wait to hear what they come up with for the Joker's theme.

 

[jimmy]

It's the one that's playing. [/Danny Elfman]

 

[Yurka]

I don't know but I can't wait to hear what they come up with for the Joker's theme.

So that Hans Zimmer theme that was online a few months ago wasnt real? I figured it was fake but it still sounded awesome.

it was called "Jokers Lament" if I remember correctly.

 

[gwynplaine]

So that Hans Zimmer theme that was online a few months ago wasnt real? I figured it was fake but it still sounded awesome.

it was called "Jokers Lament" if I remember correctly.

I haven't heard it unfortunately but I doubt it's real. Zimmer is probably working on it as we speak and he better bust his a** on that one, nicht F***en up Herr Zimmer.

 

[Yurka]

I haven't heard it unfortunately but I doubt it's real. Zimmer is probably working on it as we speak and he better bust his a** on that one, nicht F***en up Herr Zimmer.

I'll see if I can find it, I think I saved it. I remember it sounded perfect.