Batman Begins BEGINS Costume Sculpt...My work in progress

DAVIDYR1 said:
LOL!
It's not that....I just want to post finished pics next.

Seeing as the art book from Begins showed us a really cool side shot...what the heck...here's what mine looked like a few weeks ago....

The back of the head and the tip of the neck have since been corrected but I dont think I have just a side profile showing just that as a work in progress...the finished cast cowl pics are coming though.... :cool:

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Let me know what you guys think overall from this pic.....keeping in mind the back was already modified as were some slight areas on the face.

I've been documenting all stages of this suit in the sculpted form...I've got hundreds of pics to go through when looking to post something up so I'll see if infact I do find a more completed profile pic to post.

David

Hey David, I've been observing your progress for some time now and I can't begin to tell ya how impressive all your work is. Though one thing about the cowel- are you sure about the neck size you have here? It looks a liiiiittle too thick in my opinion. That and the nose may be just a tad too long. Here's a reference pic for ya.

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EDIT: Just reread your post David and I see you've already see the sideview and have since corrected the back. In that case, good stuff!!
 
Found a newer pic.
I document all stages at several times a day. The pics all go into a folder by date and each time I upload new pics it's a new folder. I've been going through everyone...but it's not easy to do it quickly also considering I'm looking at small thumbnails of each shot....so it's quite time consuming but I did find another one...more accurate in the neck area at this stage.

The main difference is the positioning of the head. In the pic with Bale he's leaning forward so the angles of the neck are slanted forward where as my sculpt is on a life cast. It's tricky to compare these two pics but at the same time fun to see how some of the similarities are starting to show.

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As for the nose...it's by far the most deceptive part of the whole cowl. The sculptor was very smart in his approach and overall shape. Not easy to replicate by any means.

David
 
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Enjoy

Juz

PS : if you need any Photoshop type manips, msg me and ill help you guys out.
 
Thanks Juz!

That's too cool for words!

David
 
DAVIDYR1 said:
Thanks Juz!

That's too cool for words!

David

No worries dave... dont know what im doing up at 6:30am .. hehe me and my music i guess....

if i had a better/larger face of yours i could do a cowl/face manip but i had to steal your face off the "holding darkness" pic of yours

Juz
 
i assume the next suit is umm zorro................................
 
say David, could you post a link to your site, or just pm me with it?
thanks,
Neil
 
Admins..if this post is not allowed please just take it down and accept my apologies. Several people have asked for my site and I'm not always able to send PM's throughout the coarse of the day so I just figured posting it.
Sorry if I shouldnt have.

It's www.universaldesigns.ca

The site will be up and running completely after the release of the begins film.
In the meantime there's a few things to see here and there. The gallery is divided into 2 areas for now...those links work. Will all be in one gallery once the site is fully up and running.

You'll see just how much stuff we've done....and continue to do. Too much even. The cool thing is that we've now begun working for one of the larger theme parks. All will be explained in the site once it's fully up and running...finally after 3 years it's finally going to get up and running!



DAvid
 
David quesiton, do you use any special technique to attain the level of accuracy you achive? Like I kno I use a grid technique to get accurate pictures of the things I'm drawing, but I was wondering what you used for clay, if you do use a technique.
 
StarvingArtist said:
Hey David, I've been observing your progress for some time now and I can't begin to tell ya how impressive all your work is. Though one thing about the cowel- are you sure about the neck size you have here? It looks a liiiiittle too thick in my opinion. That and the nose may be just a tad too long. Here's a reference pic for ya.

Batmancamera.jpg


Where did this pic come from?
 
Infinity9999x said:
David quesiton, do you use any special technique to attain the level of accuracy you achive? Like I kno I use a grid technique to get accurate pictures of the things I'm drawing, but I was wondering what you used for clay, if you do use a technique.


Good Question. :)

There are many ways to ensure accuracy when sculpting liknesses.
First of all...and most important you need to train your eye's to actually see what you're seeing. Not easy...if you draw you know what I mean. Some people look at the 89 Keaton suit and say 'wow...that's a cool FULL BODY muscle suit'...when the truth is it was several pieces of foam latex glued down to a wetsuit meant to simulate a one piece suit. Not a full body suit...complete with areas that the wetsuit was clearly visible....understanding what you're seeing is first and foremost and that's exactly why the Begins cowl is taking longer than the rest of the suit components to sculpt.

Some see elements on the cowl that I honestly dont...and I'm sure some people look at my cowl scupt and say "HUH...WTF is that?" Tricky to really see and make out the details as they truly are. Seeing what truly is there is not easy....interpreting what we see is equally difficult also.

The Begins cowl plays on lighting and shadows...the shadows enhance the depth and details while the lighting washes out the details. Pain in the arse to say the least when trying to understand it's overall shape, the details and the fine lines.

As far as acual tools go, I use measuring tapes regularly. That assists me when trying to line up the left side to the right side. Constantly measuring each and every detail. This I learned while working in the clothing industry...It's a silly but neat trick at the same time. Calipers also help in this same way.

The bottom line is when you step back and look at your sculpt....you need to see, feel and taste that you've captured your likness. Stolen it's energy if you will. I'm by no means perfect at this and I struggled with most of the Begins suit but in the end I'm pretty happy with how it's all turning out. Practice makes perfect in everything we do.
If you draw well then my guess is you didnt just wake up one day and become a pro. You probably worked at it...and developed your own techniques to do it right.

Same with sculpting. A 3D form has advantages and disadvantages compared to drawing. Both equally challenging to get right. I'm not great at drawing but am working at getting better at sculpting with each project I agree to take on.

This for example was a little easier to do....

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Easier because I didnt have to duplicate an existing 3D form as the other movie suits. The DKR is a comic drawing...bringing that to a 3D form makes it easier in the sense that I can take creative liberties in making it look like I think it should. The challenge is still capturing the essense of the DKR as Miller created him and that's always the hard part. If I make the horns too big or small....as long as they fit with the look of the comic book then they'll be fine. On the other hand if I make the horns on the Begins cowl too long or short then EVERYONE will notice that and consider it a mistake.

Interpretation is the most fun in the line of work I do. Copying something is challenging and very gratifying when done right but nothing can substitue the feeling of a job well done when you make your own creation come to life.

Sorry if I rambled a little there...I hope this helps somewhat. :)

DAvid
 
whoa. i already anticipate way over a month's work on the begins cowl i am doing. for one, this will be my first sculpt. i can draw pretty well, but to me, sculpting is something much harder. oh, well. patience will just have to be my best friend for a long time. thanks for the above info david. i also want to try sculpting the gauntlets with wed clay. can this work?
 
kage88 said:
whoa. i already anticipate way over a month's work on the begins cowl i am doing. for one, this will be my first sculpt. i can draw pretty well, but to me, sculpting is something much harder. oh, well. patience will just have to be my best friend for a long time. thanks for the above info david. i also want to try sculpting the gauntlets with wed clay. can this work?


A piece of advice....

If you're just starting off with sculpting I'm not sure how good an idea it is to start with WED clay. Dont get me wrong, WED is fantastic but it is a water based clay. That's what I sculpted my Begins chest from.

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You need to keep the clay CONSTANTLY moist or it will dry out and that is NOT how water clay is supposed to be used. It can be tricky and discouraging if you start with water clay. You might find yourself struggling to understand how to use the clay rather than working on perfecting your sculpt.
Too much moisture and the clay becomes gloopy and unmanageable...not enough and it starts to crack.
My best advice is to get some good oil based clay. Kleen Klay is a good inexpensive clay to start out with and you dont have to keep it moist. If just starting out I'd start with an oil based clay. Kind of weird for me to be saying so considering I started sculpting in 1984 and started with water clay...only moved to oil based clays in the last 4 years or so......but, had I started earlier with oil clays I'd have saved myself a buttload of headaches along the way.

Patience is extremely important with this sort of thing. If you already draw then you know what I mean and that will also assist you in determining certain details in your sculpt.

Go with it....take it slow...AND POST PROGRESS PICS!

David
 
thanks david. i will go get some oil based clay tomorrow. i have 20 pounds of it now. how much do i need for the cowl?
 
kage88 said:
thanks david. i will go get some oil based clay tomorrow. i have 20 pounds of it now. how much do i need for the cowl?


20Lbs should be plenty. Depending on how big or thick you make your sculpt you'll use more or less clay. ...but most certainly you should have plenty left over.

Remember to Post progress pics!!!:)

And I have good news on my cowl front.........FINITO finally the sculpt is done!!!!!
I've been having trouble with one silly area of the cowl and finally FINALLY I've nailed it....or at least I and those here who've seen it seem to think so.

This is great news because now I can also finish up the chest. With the way these pieces work....I cant finish the chest unless I've finished the cowl first...

But...YIPPIE the cowl is finally done!!!!!!!!!!!!

David
 
DAVIDYR1 said:
20Lbs should be plenty. Depending on how big or thick you make your sculpt you'll use more or less clay. ...but most certainly you should have plenty left over.

Remember to Post progress pics!!!:)

And I have good news on my cowl front.........FINITO finally the sculpt is done!!!!!
I've been having trouble with one silly area of the cowl and finally FINALLY I've nailed it....or at least I and those here who've seen it seem to think so.

This is great news because now I can also finish up the chest. With the way these pieces work....I cant finish the chest unless I've finished the cowl first...

But...YIPPIE the cowl is finally done!!!!!!!!!!!!

David


Great news David! I can't wait to see some pix of the final version. And thanks for all the info about how to capture the details while sculpting. Also, since I've seen your work I've started to do some research on sculpting and may attempt to try my own cowl! Thanks for everything man!
--Chris
 
thanks david. i'll get started on the cowl in a couple of days; getting more reference pictures. so i should use oil based clay for the guantlets,too? thanks again.
 
David, wonderful news!... What project of the suit will you starting now? or is it just accessories. I.E. cape, belt, pants.
 
Dave we need more pics( slaps arm like a junkie)
I got this cheese-burger man!!! lol
 

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