The Dark Knight BEGINS Sequel to be "Darker"

[Keyser Sushi]

Please tell Joker how to behave.

Uh, I think I just did?

I mean, anybody could beat Jason Todd with a crowbar and blow him up. That's not creative. Any common thug might've done that. The Joker is, well, the JOKER... if there's not a sadistic punch-line attached, what's the point? The Joker isn't just an ordinary thug.

 

[El Payaso]

Uh, I think I just did?

No, just told us your opinion.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

No, just told us your opinion.

Yeah I did. But if I tell Joker how to behave it's going to just be my opinion anyway, isn't it?

 

[Dark Knight]

I mean BEGINS was plenty dark and violent. Batman / Bruce Wayne: Breaks someone's leg in prison; Hits someone's hand down as they are trying to shoot him, thus hitting the other's thug's foot; Batman breaks a thug's arm in Arkham's basement; Batman rams Crane's face into a concrete wall for not giving him proper info, And proceeded to give the League of Shadows a whooping they will never forget.

yeah. definitely great stuff! I would just like to see a bit more blood....not a whole lot though.

 

[El Payaso]

Yeah I did. But if I tell Joker how to behave it's going to just be my opinion anyway, isn't it?

PM him.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

PM him.

LOL.

 

[DAVIDYR1]

Next film darker? OK..I thought the first one was dark enough but I dont have a problem with 'darker'. I have a problem with Batman Returns film darker...I did not enjoy that film. The Empire Srikes Back was darker than Star Wars and that sure worked. Darker doesnt say much...actually it doesnt mean anything. The chioce of lighting and color palate for batman Begins, that 'orang-ish..sunset look' I thought was great. Darker in terms of story telling, sure...sounds cool. The look of the film in general 'for me' should continue as seen in the first one.
Again...darker is kind of misleading at this point. We'll know more in time I guess..

David

 

[Cinemaman]

For Batman "darker" means better. My opinion is so.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

For Batman "darker" means better. My opinion is so.

Not really. "Dark" can mean several things, and when it has gone the "darkest" route possible in terms of character and story...it represented less and less the character and mythos from which the source was, and usually crashes comercially.

 

[Cinemaman]

Not really. "Dark" can mean several things, and when it has gone the "darkest" route possible in terms of character and story...it represented less and less the character and mythos from which the source was, and usually crashes comercially.

I dont want Bat-movies to be R rated, it wouldn't be good for franchise.

 

[Two-Face]

Not really. "Dark" can mean several things, and when it has gone the "darkest" route possible in terms of character and story...it represented less and less the character and mythos from which the source was, and usually crashes comercially.

Hmm. let's see:

Batman 89: dark= sucess.
Batman Returns darker = sucess
Batman Forever campy/light = sucess but crappy movie.
Batman and Robin total campy = fail a crappy movie

Batman Begins dark = sucess
Batman 2 darker = ?? more money??

 

[Whack Arnolds]

See, what people usually don't get is that theur has to be a BALANCE. B89 and BEGINS, both really dark tales...but they are balanced by being incredibly fun to watch and are welcoming to everyone.

 

[Two-Face]

I dont want Bat-movies to be R rated, it wouldn't be good for franchise.

Don't worry it won't happen, I think it would be darker but is PG13.

 

[Cinemaman]

Don't worry it won't happen, I think it would be darker but is PG13.

Agreed.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

Hmm. let's see:

Batman 89: dark= sucess.
Batman Returns darker = sucess
Batman Forever campy/light = sucess but crappy movie.
Batman and Robin total campy = fail a crappy movie

Batman Begins dark = sucess
Batman 2 darker = ?? more money??

Are you serious?

Where did I say I wanted the film to be light and campy?

Batman 1989 = Absolute success. Critically and comercially. Comercially it was the most hyped, and made the most money. It was dark, the perfect amount of dark and seriousness, but was also EXTREMELY fun adn entertaining to watch.
Batman Returns = Pretty good film, did not do well commercially, and critically didn't even get that much praise. Was the absolute darkest, and made the second to worst in profits. One again, no balance. No mix of fun and entertainment, WITH a dark story.
Batman Forever= Absolute Success. 3rd highest grossing of the series, while dark yet leaned more towards being a lighter film, and knocked the socks of Returns in terms of total gross.
Batman and Robin: No one is even remotely saying that we are going down that route...

Batman Begins = Absolute success. Came out having to fight a bad rep, and still managed to become the second most successful Batman film. Was dark, just like 89, but balanced it with fun and relevance with the modern audience and WASN'T trying to be hip. JUST like B89.

 

[Two-Face]

Wait, aren't we in agreement? Cos you said the samethings expect I put my as a list instead of explaining.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

Wait, aren't we in agreement? Cos you said the samethings expect I put my as a list instead of explaining.

Yeah, we ARE agreeing AND disagreeing. You posted in a way like, you were telling me how it "really is", as if I was wrong. There is a difference between it just being 'dark' and having a balance. Just cause it says it will be "darker", doesn't mean it = better.

 

[Cinemaman]

I think BB sequels will have new meaning of "dark", modern side of this word is good example.

 

[Milkman95]

Hmm. let's see:

Batman 89: dark= sucess.
Batman Returns darker = sucess
Batman Forever campy/light = sucess but crappy movie.
Batman and Robin total campy = fail a crappy movie

Batman Begins dark = sucess
Batman 2 darker = ?? more money??

Well, most would say Batman Returns was a disappointment both critically and financially, so I wouldn't call that a success. If it was, Burton never would have been fired.

With the Joker and Harvey Dent involved, the story itself will automatically be darker in my opinion, which is a good thing.

 

[Cinemaman]

Well, most would say Batman Returns was a disappointment both critically and financially, so I wouldn't call that a success. If it was, Burton never would have been fired.

With the Joker and Harvey Dent involved, the story itself will automatically be darker in my opinion, which is a good thing.

Hey, BB had succes critically and financially.

It was better than Batman'89 critically, just look at this http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/batman_begins/

Critics - 83%
Users - 94% (!)
Cream of the crop - 63%

And it is 2nd Batman film, which made more than $200m domesticly.

But only in overseas it made low numbers.

Anyway, it had enough success.

 

[Dark Knight88]

I think to have The Joker it needs to be darker, we're talkin about a psychopath here. Although i liked Begins tone an grittyness i think it needs to go darker to accomodate characters like Joker and Two-Face, not so much Returns dark that was just grim IMO.

 

[griffolyon12]

A darker Batman than that in BB might just blow my mind it's so awesome!

 

[Spare-Flair]

- Nolan has been re-going over all of the various Batman comics even more to comb for fine details.

- The studio is supportive of creating something as accurate to the Batman comic books as possible and less about it being some kind of summer popcorn "mega-hit."

Compare that devotion and proper treatment of Batman fans compared to...

Bryan Singer's own words: "I don't think I have ever read a Superman comic"

 

[Whack Arnolds]

Well Singer, and even though I plan on enjoying Returns is a complete nimb rod. All that vague history crap is harder to figure out then rocket science.

 

[Britboy]

When it comes to Batman the darker the better.......
I wait for the day that a Batman film has an 18 certificate and tells the true story......