Best Movie Fight.

[WeaponXProject]

Let's just agree to disagree. I had a big problem with most the dialogue from the new trilogy in general. I just think that the last time Obi and Anakin talked was when they talked about saving eachother's butts on many occassions. They were best friends and the next time they meet they are enemies with nothing to say to eachother. ? I just don't buy that.

We agree on Anakin being the chosen one completely.

I'm younger too, I'm 23, and I didn't get to see any of the OT in theatres but I was raised on them so of course I'm gonna be a little biased but most fans will tell you that the new trilogy has many flaws compared to the old trilogy. Especially acting and dialogue. Fans wanted to be wowed by Anakin but instead we got an iffy actor in Hayden with whinny delivery. Thank God for Ewan MacGregor or I would have been very disappointed. I'm pretty pissed at Lucas and Spielberg right now for Indy as well.

I agree fanboys, like me, can overact about Lucas but he did bring Jar Jar in, cast Hayden, have Yoda jumping around like a mad man with his lightsaber, give us half a minute of Boba Fett, put Vader in the suit for two minutes and did a whole movie about 8 year old Anakin and pod racing. We do kinda have a method to our madness.

 

[StillTheKing]

Before I opened this thread I thought of Achilles vs Hector...

 

[Doctor Jones]

Let's just agree to disagree. I had a big problem with most the dialogue from the new trilogy in general. I just think that the last time Obi and Anakin talked was when they talked about saving eachother's butts on many occassions. They were best friends and the next time they meet they are enemies with nothing to say to eachother. ? I just don't buy that.

We agree on Anakin being the chosen one completely.

I'm younger too, I'm 23, and I didn't get to see any of the OT in theatres but I was raised on them so of course I'm gonna be a little biased but most fans will tell you that the new trilogy has many flaws compared to the old trilogy. Especially acting and dialogue. Fans wanted to be wowed by Anakin but instead we got an iffy actor in Hayden with whinny delivery. Thank God for Ewan MacGregor or I would have been very disappointed. I'm pretty pissed at Lucas and Spielberg right now for Indy as well.

I agree fanboys, like me, can overact about Lucas but he did bring Jar Jar in, cast Hayden, have Yoda jumping around like a mad man with his lightsaber, give us half a minute of Boba Fett, put Vader in the suit for two minutes and did a whole movie about 8 year old Anakin and pod racing. We do kinda have a method to our madness.

I do agree, the prequels are weaker than the originals. Though I do favor TPM and ROTS over ROTJ. But I don't get why people complain that he's whiney. "Oh, the greatest villain ever whines and complains?"

That's exactly what the greatest villain in the galaxy should be.

1. Jar Jar was for the kids. And the kids liked it. These films were meant to be children's films after all.

2. Partially Hayden's fault. I know, you say as a director it's their job to bring the best out of them. But shouldn't they be a good actor in the first place?

3. What the hell is wrong with Yoda jumping around like that? He's a small dude battling a dude who's seven times his height. How do expect him to do that?

4. These films are about Anakin. We don't need backstory about Fett. He got enough. Just enough to know that we know what he'll become. I remember on the SW website someone asked that before AOTC came out. If anyone seriously thought they were gonna do a full blown origin story about Fett than you were kidding yourselves. Isn't this whoe saga about Anakin? Wouldn't that completely divert form the core story?

5. An 8 year old kid was perfect. When you watch the whole saga, its startling to see him start out as that sweet caring innocent young boy turned into this machine with hardly any humanity left. Plus, he can't be too old. The jedi were reluctant to train him in the first place for being too old at 8. Just think what they would do if he was any older.

 

[블라스]

My problem with "Achilles vs. Hector" is the editing.
The choreography was great, they did long-ish takes, the actors trained a lot apparently....but why the hell did they ruin all of that by taking frames out of the footage to make the fight appear faster?

They were already going at it quite fast, there was no need for that.
It is so noticeable too (they pulled the same trick in Gladiator, but much better).
Just pay attention whenever there's a sword hit, and you'll see a jerky movement.
Man, whoever thought of that should be ashamed.

 

[Fenrir]

Kill Bill Vol. 1 - The Bride vs. The Crazy 88

V for Vendetta - V vs. Creedy's gang

Nice catches. I completely forgot about the Bride's awesome slaughterfest (perhaps because I'm still waiting for The Whole Bloody Affair until I see Kill Bill again). And V was pretty amazing too.

 

[U.S War Machine]

Ash and The pit witch

 

[블라스]

Ash and The pit witch

Heh that was a great one
I hope they release a blu-ray with all the different versions of the movie

 

[Fenrir]

The main problem, in my opinion, with the Episode III duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan was how cartoony it felt. There was no real "weight" to it and the whole idea of fighting above lava while the entire structure is collapsing around you was too forced to the point of it being a videogame. You could clearly tell Lucas was trying way too hard to make this fight feel "epic" and it completely falls flat looking ridiculous instead.

The Darth Maul fight on the other hand, now that is how it should've been done. It was more grounded and showed a lot more of the combatants skill in a manner that gave off both tension and a sense of real threat.

Another thing - I completely HATED watching Yoda spinning like a freakin' yo-yo with a lightsaber. I always imagined both him and the Emperor to be more wizards than swordsmen, very much like the Gandolf and Saruman/Dumbledore and Voldemort of the Star Wars saga, in that their fights would showcase purely their utter and awe-inspiring mastery of the Force rather than the lightsaber.

Oh and though Hayden's atrocious acting completely butchered what could have been a truly amazing character arc, Lucas' crappy script also takes part of the blame. If there could be a defining example of wasting sheer cinematic potential, Anakin's arc in the prequels has to be it. I mean how hard was it to nail it right? Anakin is almost a classical Shakespearean character - a man whose fall was the result of his own virtue. He could have made Anakin a truly honorable, lovable and sympathetic character who is compelled to give into his dark impulses because of unfortunate circumstances. But nooooo, instead, Lucas turned him into this one-dimensional whiny ambitious brat who has got his head way too far up his ass. I mean, his romance with Padme had such potential to show his inner conflict between his pursuit of love and his dedication to the force. But noooo, it is freakin' Padme who is the initially hesitant partner in this relationship. Anakin's fall would have had a far more crippling emotional punch to the gut had Lucas bothered to show him as a true hero rather than a real a-hole beforehand.

You know what, Lucas? Go f**k yourself.

 

[Doctor Jones]

The main problem, in my opinion, with the Episode III duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan was how cartoony it felt. There was no real "weight" to it and the whole idea of fighting above lava while the entire structure is collapsing around you was too forced to the point of it being a videogame. You could clearly tell Lucas was trying way too hard to make this fight feel "epic" and it completely falls flat looking ridiculous instead.

The Darth Maul fight on the other hand, now that is how it should've been done. It was more grounded and showed a lot more of the combatants skill in a manner that gave off both tension and a sense of real threat.

Another thing - I completely HATED watching Yoda spinning like a freakin' yo-yo with a lightsaber. I always imagined both him and the Emperor to be more wizards than swordsmen, very much like the Gandolf and Saruman/Dumbledore and Voldemort of the Star Wars saga, in that their fights would showcase purely their utter and awe-inspiring mastery of the Force rather than the lightsaber.

Oh and though Hayden's atrocious acting completely butchered what could have been a truly amazing character arc, Lucas' crappy script also takes part of the blame. If there could be a defining example of wasting sheer cinematic potential, Anakin's arc in the prequels has to be it. I mean how hard was it to nail it right? Anakin is almost a classical Shakespearean character - a man whose fall was the result of his own virtue. He could have made Anakin a truly honorable, lovable and sympathetic character who is compelled to give into his dark impulses because of unfortunate circumstances. But nooooo, instead, Lucas turned him into this one-dimensional whiny ambitious brat who has got his head way too far up his ass. I mean, his romance with Padme had such potential to show his inner conflict between his pursuit of love and his dedication to the force. But noooo, it is freakin' Padme who is the initially hesitant partner in this relationship. Anakin's fall would have had a far more crippling emotional punch to the gut had Lucas bothered to show him as a true hero rather than a real a-hole beforehand.

You know what, Lucas? Go f**k yourself.

You see, examples like this is what I mean about fanboys. You act like he just murdered your family and raped your wife.

GET THE HELL OVER IT.

 

[Fenrir]

You see, examples like this is what I mean about fanboys. You act like he just murdered your family and raped your wife.

GET THE HELL OVER IT.

Fanboy? Hah, I don't even like Star War THAT much. I know absolutely nothing about the franchise aside from the 6 films. I shake my head clueless at the utter obsession of its fans. I don't see what the big deal is with Boba Fett or even Darth Vader to be honest (sure, he is decent but overcelebrated). But like anyone who appreciates a good thing and is pissed at seeing something full of potential be ruined like that, I hate the modern-day-Lucas for dragging Star War and Indiana Jones into the sewage of cinematic mediocrity.

Sure, they are his properties and he can do with them as he please. No personal harm done to me. But that doesn't mean I can't hate him for the decisions he made concerning these two franchises.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Fanboy? Hah, I don't even like Star War THAT much. I know absolutely nothing about the franchise aside from the 6 films. I shake my head clueless at the utter obsession of its fans. I don't see what the big deal is with Boba Fett or even Darth Vader to be honest (sure, he is decent but overcelebrated). But like anyone who appreciates a good thing and is pissed at seeing something full of potential be ruined like that, I hate the modern-day-Lucas for dragging Star War and Indiana Jones into the sewage of cinematic mediocrity.

Sure, they are his properties and he can do with them as he please. No personal harm done to me. But that doesn't mean I can't hate him for the decisions he made concerning these two franchises.

Well, sorry about that. But that's really how they come off. t:

 

[Fenrir]

Well, sorry about that. But that's really how they come off. t:

Then you have a helluva sense of perception, chump. Just because I say Lucas can go f**k himself, ON A MOVIE-DISCUSSION FORUM TO BOOT, is equivalent to the kind of response for killing someone's family and raping their wives in your eyes speaks volumes about how critically out of touch with reality you are. The fact that such a harmless phrase ticks off his loyal puppets like you is simply icing on the cake.

 

[블라스]

I can't believe we forgot this classic!

 

[Bunker]

Anakin vs. Obi Wan? Seriously? Luke vs. Vader in Episode V shat all over it.

 

[screams]

Even though I didn't love the rest of the movie, the fight between King Kong and the three t-rexes was pretty sweet. I was feeling really into it the whole time! Best part of that movie.

 

[Infinity9999x]

The fight between Neo and Agent smith in the first Matrix was pretty sweet, and the fight in Bourne Ultimatum was one of my favorite "realistic" fight scenes.

 

[WeaponXProject]

For some reason I can't quote so...

I don't think Star Wars is for kids more than the average audience. I mean Episode 3 was PG-13! Anakin decapitates Dooku and Anakin skin is shown burning off.

The OT was not for kids until Episode 6 had the Ewoks, IMO.

I am on the same page as Fenrir. Casting and script issues butchered the new trilogy.


Oh, and when I was talking about Boba Fett. Did anyone notice the dramatic scene in Episode two where little Boba holds up his father's helmet to his head after he was decapitated and...that's it. Why build that up and then have it be funny when Boba falls into he Sarlac pit. As much as Boba isn't a large part of the story it is pointless to build him up in Episode two, teased if you will, and then that's it. I mean we had to sit through a whole movie with more than twenty lines from Jar Jar. Vomit worthy. I can go on forever about this but I'll move on....


How about a funny one...the fight at Midevel Times in Cable Guy. Jim Carrey vs. Matthew Broderick. Funny and awesome.

 

[Doctor Jones]

For some reason I can't quote so...

I don't think Star Wars is for kids more than the average audience. I mean Episode 3 was PG-13! Anakin decapitates Dooku and Anakin skin is shown burning off.

The OT was not for kids until Episode 6 had the Ewoks, IMO.

I am on the same page as Fenrir. Casting and script issues butchered the new trilogy.


Oh, and when I was talking about Boba Fett. Did anyone notice the dramatic scene in Episode two where little Boba holds up his father's helmet to his head after he was decapitated and...that's it. Why build that up and then have it be funny when Boba falls into he Sarlac pit. As much as Boba isn't a large part of the story it is pointless to build him up in Episode two, teased if you will, and then that's it. I mean we had to sit through a whole movie with more than twenty lines from Jar Jar. Vomit worthy. I can go on forever about this but I'll move on....


How about a funny one...the fight at Midevel Times in Cable Guy. Jim Carrey vs. Matthew Broderick. Funny and awesome.

SW was meant for kids in the beginning. Ep III is the darkest one so yeah, I can see your piont. But Lucas said back then there didn't seem to be real kids movies anymore. Kids were into darker and edgier things unlike what he saw as a kid. He wanted to show them what he saw. When he told Coppola's kids that he was making a space movie, they went nuts.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Then you have a helluva sense of perception, chump. Just because I say Lucas can go f**k himself, ON A MOVIE-DISCUSSION FORUM TO BOOT, is equivalent to the kind of response for killing someone's family and raping their wives in your eyes speaks volumes about how critically out of touch with reality you are. The fact that such a harmless phrase ticks off his loyal puppets like you is simply icing on the cake.

More out of touch with reality than SW fanboys who bash Lucas on a daily basis and take it way out of hand?

 

[byte19]

Wolverine Vs. Deathstrike, Juggernaut or Sabertooth?
Morpheus vs. Agent Smith
Darth Maul vs. Obi Wan & Qui-Gon Ginn

This thread could be separated into best battle, best sword fight (including light sabers), & best street fight.

i'll go with that one although they live is the champion.

 

[WeaponXProject]

SW was meant for kids in the beginning. Ep III is the darkest one so yeah, I can see your piont. But Lucas said back then there didn't seem to be real kids movies anymore. Kids were into darker and edgier things unlike what he saw as a kid. He wanted to show them what he saw. When he told Coppola's kids that he was making a space movie, they went nuts.

Whether Lucas says that or not means nothing to me. His main character got his hand cut off in the second movie. He tried to sell to kids by over-merchandising and putting Ewoks in the movie but I think it was for all age groups. I thought it was for everyone like the Pirates of the Carribean movies.

 

[Bim]

SW was meant for kids in the beginning. Ep III is the darkest one so yeah, I can see your piont. But Lucas said back then there didn't seem to be real kids movies anymore. Kids were into darker and edgier things unlike what he saw as a kid. He wanted to show them what he saw. When he told Coppola's kids that he was making a space movie, they went nuts.

It amazes me that to this day people dont realize this but hey, to each their own t:

 

[WeaponXProject]

It amazes me that to this day people dont realize this but hey, to each their own t:

The generation of kids has grown up. The fans are primarily 18 to 40 or more years old. As a kids series this would be considered dark. As a kid you like the lightsabres and the spaceships but you miss the struggle to fight temptation and the very sad tragedy of Anakin Skywalker. The father-son dilema is at a higher level than what kids can understand.

The same reason I don't think LOTR is for kids.

 

[Fenrir]

More out of touch with reality than SW fanboys who bash Lucas on a daily basis and take it way out of hand?

This is the first time I ever said anything on the subject, ever. Look through my entire post history, chum. Not even a SINGLE post in any Star Wars thread either. It helps to know the person before making dumbass generalizations like that.

 

[Bim]

The generation of kids has grown up. The fans are primarily 18 to 40 or more years old. As a kids series this would be considered dark. As a kid you like the lightsabres and the spaceships but you miss the struggle to fight temptation and the very sad tragedy of Anakin Skywalker. The father-son dilema is at a higher level than what kids can understand.

The same reason I don't think LOTR is for kids.

Yeah, they grew up...now. But think about the OT and how old kids that went crazy for it were back then... i would say a lot younger than 18 in most cases. Of course, the OT resonated with adults aswell (and that's part of why it got so big), but it was mainly for a younger generation.