The Dark Knight Biggest Disappointment

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The goons were still functional when he made his presence known. And panic tends to make people noisy. They also tend to be more vocal when someone shows up to quell the danger.
I dunno about you but when I was a child I was in a grocery store robbery and people shut the **** up and stay quiet. That scared me **** less. People panic and scream when its like an earthquake, but when someone says sit down and shut up with a gun they pretty much do what they say in order for the person to go away and leave them alone.
 
No. Not when he lands in the middle of a room full of people who are standing in a circle, being a ninja is not enough. But hey, at least it wasn't ike Batman Forever's "BATMAN EEEEEEHHHHHHHH" guy.

I was trying not to bring him up.
 
I remember this bit causing some consternation in discussion even after the trailer.

The movie does some interesting things with perspective and with sound. You've probably all noticed some moments when the sound not only seems to cut out, it seems to be sucked up as if into a vacuum, then expelled after a pause (notably when the semi flips, and in the iconic scene with the Joker hanging out of the cop car).

The perspective here is interesting. You get very little of the room as a whole. I find it quite believable that the guests would be terrified into silence (like the workers in the bank: the robbers and the bank manager make all the noise there). The camerawork is focused tightly on the Joker and Rachel, and seems to deliberately confuse whether they are circling round, or whether they are mostly standing still and the camera is wheeling around them. Quite possibly it's supposed to suggest a very tight focus on his perspective; he's caught up in the performance of this story and probably less certain what the outcome will be than with Gambol, who is there, and whom he simply intends to kill. And if we do accept that he's insane, maybe sometimes he actually believes these stories when he's telling them. At any rate, if you watch Rachel, when she opens her eyes she seems calmer; she's probably figured out what she's going to do and is just waiting for the ideal moment (by the way, the shooting script says she slugs him; it looks more as if she gives him a well aimed knee, judging by his reaction, so that this might be more improvisation).

All this to say, the perspective is so focused and so limited in this scene that it doesn't matter if everyone else in the room sees Batman and starts yelling, "look, it's Batman!". If Rachel sees/hears anything, she's not going to risk reacting. The point is simply that the Joker (for whatever reason) doesn't see Batman approaching, and is, for a moment anyway, caught off guard, as he is in the interrogation room, and in both cases he's had an added distraction: Rachel's knee, the sudden bright light.
 
i don't know if anyone noticed but right behind Batman when he appears is a pillar type thing, we all know at Wayne Manor theres trap doors and secret entrances so i believe its possible theres a trap door thing in that pillar where Batman can just pop out of.
 
I was a bit dissapointed at the failure to mention Bruce's parents, even a subtle hint would have been enough:csad:
 
That's a stretch.
Only if you aren't familiar with the character. He's been shown putting hidden passageways his home and work place plenty of times in the comic books and other media. If he had a secret passage into his bat bunker (or whatever you want to call it), why would he not have a secret exit as well? Even at Wayne Enterprises, he had a secret elevator for him and Fox to use when they were going down to discuss Lau.
 
I was a bit dissapointed at the failure to mention Bruce's parents, even a subtle hint would have been enough:csad:
Totally! I mean, ok Nolan, we get that the war has escalated, we get that you want to move on and explore different angles of the character, we get that you dont want to copy your predecessors by showing batman throw roses in Crime Alley, but goddamnit, a batman movie without a single mention of his parents?

I really hope they are mentioned in the next film, especially when Bruce's father was so great in BB! I want Nolan to explore whether Thomas would feel proud of bruce dressing like a bat, or something similarly deep.
Not just "hey, i was a good friend of your parents" and thats it.

I am not a writter or anything so i really cant make any good suggestions, but i always liked to see Batman talk with his parents and them seeing what their son has become. Maybe a vision after a hit in the head or something. But i will admit...its kind of cheesy and pointless.
 
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I don't think we need to be beaten over the head with why he became Batman. This was covered pretty well in Batman Begins and was already well known by the general public, anyway. And from what I recall, Batman Returns didn't have any mention of Bruce's parents, either. :oldrazz:

I do think spending time on Bruce's parents (with all the other stuff already going on in this film) would have seemed a bit out of place. Though I do hope they mention them in the third one, as it would be a nice way to help wrap the trilogy up.
 
Joker being omnipotent and/or his planning being too spot on. How the f*** did he manage to predict what the following on Harvey's way to county:

The SWAT truck carrying Harvey would survive getting shot with a bazooka.
Batman would survive his tank getting shot with a bazooka.
After Batman survives getting shot with a bazooka he manages to take out an 18 wheeler without his tank.

George W. Batman

You could say that his plan for that moment was to kill Harvey Dent, he didn't, so his plan changed. He doesn't plan, he just "Does Things", makes it up as he goes along. I think maybe the only forward planning he'd done there was to get the goon with the phone-bomb in his gut arrested, just incase he did get caught.
 
I don't think we need to be beaten over the head with why he became Batman. This was covered pretty well in Batman Begins and was already well known by the general public, anyway. And from what I recall, Batman Returns didn't have any mention of Bruce's parents, either. :oldrazz:

I do think spending time on Bruce's parents (with all the other stuff already going on in this film) would have seemed a bit out of place. Though I do hope they mention them in the third one, as it would be a nice way to help wrap the trilogy up.
Agreed, we know why he became batman and thats why i am not asking for any of that. i would just like to see Thomas' reaction to his son's antics. The closest thing to that was in a BTAS episode where batman being gassed by the Scarecrow has a hallucination where his father is shouting at him about how ashamed he is to be his father and how ridiculous batman is. Batman finally comes to his senses and tries to fight the hallucination by understanding (and shouting) that his father would be proud of him. All this while holding on to the edge of a zeppelin...hehe....

Anyway, i know this would be corny, so i am not even asking for that. Just some reference of his parents and of course the iconic shot of batman standing in front of the graves.
 
Only if you aren't familiar with the character. He's been shown putting hidden passageways his home and work place plenty of times in the comic books and other media. If he had a secret passage into his bat bunker (or whatever you want to call it), why would he not have a secret exit as well? Even at Wayne Enterprises, he had a secret elevator for him and Fox to use when they were going down to discuss Lau.

I say it's a stretch because there's still the matter of it being the middle of a crowded room, which he managed to reach undetected. Panels opening in pillars draws attention. And I think they would have shown us that rather than leave it open to speculation.
 
I say it's a stretch because there's still the matter of it being the middle of a crowded room, which he managed to reach undetected. Panels opening in pillars draws attention. And I think they would have shown us that rather than leave it open to speculation.


Maybe your right, theres no way to prove either way at this point though. i only suggested it because people were whining over how "unrealistic" it was that he just appeared out of no-where. even though for 70 years Batman appears and dissapears out of know-where.
 
No disappointment, but I wouldn't have minded seeing Heath at some point briefly concealing his scarred smile with a scarf, just like Conrad Veidt does in TMWL, as an homage.
 
Maybe your right, theres no way to prove either way at this point though. i only suggested it because people were whining over how "unrealistic" it was that he just appeared out of no-where. even though for 70 years Batman appears and dissapears out of know-where.

Which I can buy under under circumstances which favor it. Bright lights & big crowds don't qualify. Shadows & plenty of hiding places (e.g., the dock scene in Begins) do.
 
Which I can buy under under circumstances which favor it. Bright lights & big crowds don't qualify. Shadows & plenty of hiding places (e.g., the dock scene in Begins) do.
Well for the Pent house scene it is pretty obvious people in the room saw Batman before Joker. The goons who were looking onto the crowd weren't paying attention as they figure Joker can handle himself. Joker also looked really into telling his story.
 
Totally! I mean, ok Nolan, we get that the war has escalated, we get that you want to move on and explore different angles of the character, we get that you dont want to copy your predecessors by showing batman throw roses in Crime Alley, but goddamnit, a batman movie without a single mention of his parents?

I really hope they are mentioned in the next film, especially when Bruce's father was so great in BB! I want Nolan to explore whether Thomas would feel proud of bruce dressing like a bat, or something similarly deep.
Not just "hey, i was a good friend of your parents" and thats it.

I am not a writter or anything so i really cant make any good suggestions, but i always liked to see Batman talk with his parents and them seeing what their son has become. Maybe a vision after a hit in the head or something. But i will admit...its kind of cheesy and pointless.
1-Batman is not on a mission of vengeance. His crusade as Batman has become so much bigger than his parents that they really don't need to be brought up every 5 minutes.
2-after seeing Superman & Spider-Man do it, I don't really care to see any more heroes carry on conversations w/their deceased loved ones.
 
I want nolan to add more spectacle for part 3 in terms of batman. I mean the PH scene for example ,I don't care if the guests noticed him or not its just that i would have prefered a more theatrical entrance. It would have been cool if one of the guests suddenly looked up and saw batman upside down in the ceiling and then quickly he drops on top of one of joker's thugs or something. that would've been alot better than him just appearing from nowhere and punching the joker.
 
1-Batman is not on a mission of vengeance. His crusade as Batman has become so much bigger than his parents that they really don't need to be brought up every 5 minutes.
That's what I thought was really cool about TDK. It's clear that Bruce has been influenced by his parents' death because it inspired his mission, but it's not about his pain anymore, it's about the fact that Gotham society is unjust and he wants to set it right the only way he knows how, just like his parents tried to set Gotham right the only way they knew how. He's inherited their philanthropic way of life, which is a more positive way of gleaming influence from their existence rather than just having them influence him by dying.
 
This is off-topic, but I just watched Brokeback Mountain for the first time and......WOW. Stunning film, I havn't watched up untill now because I'm not into these sorta films but it was amazing. How the hell did Heath not win that oscar? I'm being completely unbiased here, that performance was better than Joker. Who beat him for the award?
100% honest here, that was the closest i've come to crying in about 5 years!!! Unbelievable
 
PSH won for Capote. Which was really good as well. I think the academy was waiting to give Heath an oscar after that though.
 
i think the biggest 'disappointment' for me was this one tiny little itty bitty bit when my friend told me there would be a scene where scarecrow would solicit the joker to do his dirty work, attempt to gas jokester which doesnt work because he's a man with no fear. Joker then beats the CRAP out of crane with a crowbar a la an issue where the exact scenario happened in the comics. besides that my friend had been, seriously... 9 for 9 in scenes that would play out in the film.
 
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