The Dark Knight Biggest Disappointment

[Two-Face]

Do you think thats necessary for every movie tho? I mean i would agree with this if it gets ignored in Batman 3 aswell but yeah... Isn't this abit too early to critize?

Watched BB today, still expected some of that Bruce/father relationship.

 

[Infinity9999x]

And why on Earth do you think Joker should have a high pitched laugh? Not that I think it's wrong but it's not a canon or something. Jack's laugh couldn't have been more Joker-ish. It filled the screen with HA's everytime he laughed.

It's just personal preference I suppose, and again, I think a lot of it had to do with B:TAS being my first introduction to Batman and the Joker. Hammil's laugh is always the laugh(s) (because he had a very wide variety) I imagine the Joker should have. And his were the more high-pitched, manic type of laughter that I associated with the character.

It's just one of those things. Even Heath's Joker laughs, (which I did enjoy) still didn't hit the bar as the "perfect" laugh for me. It'll always be Hammil.

It's just one of those things, when you grow up with something it becomes the "standard" for that character. I still imagine the 90's TAS voice of Spider-man when I read Spider-man comics because that was the first time I was introduced to Spider-man, and I watched it from when I was about 4 or 5 on.

 

[CJ]

Fair enough. Lots of people have complained about that.



I don't know who else would call him Two-Face, or in what circumstances. Gordon and Batman aren't going to insult him that way, and the Joker can't make fun of him when he's trying to win him over. The only other time I can think to use the term is when the Joker is hanging upside down.



I like how the Joker just showed up from nowhere and then disappeared. Makes him seem even more mysterious.

I understand what you mean. Makes sense. However, I think they could've maybe had Harvey refer to himself as "Two-Face" He mentioned in the hospital after talking with Gordon about his old nickname: "Why should I hide who I am?" When Gordon said "I'm sorry, Harvey." He could've responded "No. Not Harvey. Two-Face." But that would've been cliched and cheesy and taken away the foreshadowing of the end sequence.

 

[BestGirl]

why would they insult him?

I meant if they were to call him Two-Face it would be insulting and cruel. If your friend had half his face burned off, would you start calling him Two-Face behind his back or would you continue referring to him by his real name?

 

[Ipodman]

biggest disappointment for me is probably the car chase... i found that to be overly long...Especially following the Batman Begins car chase... is a car chase the only high octave action sequence batman can have?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

The chase saved TDK from action mediocrity for me. All the actual fights scenes were crap IMO.

 

[The Joker]

I loved the chase sequence. One of my favourite parts in the movie. The only criticism I have of it is that annoying **** who's in the armoured truck with Gordon.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

"That's what I'm talking about! Air Cav!"

No, just... no!

 

[KILLING JOKER]

I loved the chase sequence. One of my favourite parts in the movie. The only criticism I have of it is that annoying **** who's in the armoured truck with Gordon.

I'll never understand Nolans desire to put these lame one liners in by horrible and annoying actors. He did it in BB too.

"Nice ride" anybody?

 

[Bat-Mite]

I'll never understand Nolans desire to put these lame one liners in by horrible and annoying actors. He did it in BB too.

"Nice ride" anybody?

Most people believe that David Goyer was responsible for the horrible one liners in Begins. He did have some input into TDK as well (though much less), so it's possible that he might be responsible for the SWAT guy lines. Either way, Nolan is still at least partly to blame for leaving those horrible lines in the finished product.

 

[KILLING JOKER]

Most people believe that David Goyer was responsible for the horrible one liners in Begins. He did have some input into TDK as well (though much less), so it's possible that he might be responsible for the SWAT guy lines. Either way, Nolan is still at least partly to blame for leaving those horrible lines in the finished product.

Yes, he is but nobody's perfect I suppose. I also cannot freaking stand the "Panic room" line and that ugly couple trying make comic relief in maybe the most intense scene in the film. Just awful.

 

[Jokey]

The "humour" in both Nolan films absolutely sucks.

"Nice coat"
"At least tell me what it looks like" - "Nevermind"
"A black...tank!"
"I'm not wearing hockey pads"
"Is that a panic room?"
"Let's not do that again"
"Oh, that's not good!"

Not to mention the terrible visual "humour".

Close up of man drinking coffee and showing his reaction - in BB and in TDK
Man adjusts mirror - Batman swipes it off
Kids shooting imaginary guns in backseat of car

Just terrible. Takes you out of the film and breaks the atmosphere. Just doesnt need to be there, at all.

 

[Figs]

The "humour" in both Nolan films absolutely sucks.

"Nice coat"

Agreed

"At least tell me what it looks like" - "Nevermind"

This line could have worked just fine if they didn't have the guy sound like a chump. Imagine that line being said by Bullock from the animated series with his attitude coming through. I think it would have been fine not used as comedy but as the cop being frustrated.

"A black...tank!"

Yeah this was a bit cheesy.

"I'm not wearing hockey pads"

I didn't have a problem with this one. I know people will take it in different ways/meanings but for me it didn't come off as comedy but as Batman being assertive in telling the copycat that he's a dumbass and not to mess with what he's trying to do.

"Is that a panic room?"

I think it was "thank god, you have a panic room". Could be wrong but either way, yeah it was fairly lame.

"Let's not do that again"

Agreed, too cliche.

"Oh, that's not good!"

Gordon should have sucker punched that annoying SOB. Honestly, what kind of riot police man/SWAT member would talk like that.

Not to mention the terrible visual "humour".

Close up of man drinking coffee and showing his reaction - in BB and in TDK

Didn't bother me but yeah it took away from the scene a bit. If they got rid of the part of him looking at the cup as if he's thinking he drank something that's making him see things it would have been ok. Having him just look on like WTF just happened.

Man adjusts mirror - Batman swipes it off
Kids shooting imaginary guns in backseat of car

Both of these I agree were not needed at all really.

Just terrible. Takes you out of the film and breaks the atmosphere. Just doesnt need to be there, at all.

Another one is the god-awful guy in Wayne Tower repeating the fact that the main is going to blow if the train gets near. I understood why they showed those guys, give a sense of danger to people in Gotham outside the Narrows but he didn't need to repeat it.

If I ever was to meet Nolan(yeah right lol) I would love to ask him about some of those scenes and why he put them in. As someone had pointed out in another thread, when Bruce/Alfred play those notes on the piano in BB to open the bookshelf, it's the same notes/sound that they used in the original TV show during the "POW" cuts. That and the fact that in TDK, Joker's bank robber mask was the same design that Cesar Romero wore in an episode of the TV show.

Obviously Nolan or Goyer was a bit of a fan of the original TV show and wanted to throw in a few nods. That's the reason behind why I would ask him about those annoying scenes because part of me thinks they were put in as slight nods to how cheesy sideline characters can be written(even now days)in the comics. If you think about some of those lines, especially the water utility guy in Wayne Tower it really does fit inline with those sideline civilian type characters that do in fact tend to say something redundant to the reader to emphasize the danger or situation that is going on.

That's just my two cents about it. Not saying that is in fact why those lines were thrown in but after watching both films numerous times and having read comics for quite a few years I noticed the comparison. You will also find great examples of what I'm talking about in old school Spider-Man and X-men comics.

 

[Jokey]

Good post, Figs. And I agree, that water mains guy is annoying beyond belief.

 

[El Payaso]

The "humour" in both Nolan films absolutely sucks.

"Nice coat"
"At least tell me what it looks like" - "Nevermind"
"A black...tank!"
"I'm not wearing hockey pads"
"Is that a panic room?"
"Let's not do that again"
"Oh, that's not good!"

Not to mention the terrible visual "humour".

Close up of man drinking coffee and showing his reaction - in BB and in TDK
Man adjusts mirror - Batman swipes it off
Kids shooting imaginary guns in backseat of car

Just terrible. Takes you out of the film and breaks the atmosphere. Just doesnt need to be there, at all.

I agree. What worries me the most is how many superhero movies are filled with that humour. Raimi's Spiderman movies are saturated with those moments, the new Star Trek, etc.

 

[Rodrigo90]

My biggest dissapointment

Heath Ledger and Conway Wickcliffe dying.

 

[Figs]

Good post, Figs. And I agree, that water mains guy is annoying beyond belief.

Thanks.

I agree. What worries me the most is how many superhero movies are filled with that humour. Raimi's Spiderman movies are saturated with those moments, the new Star Trek, etc.

The new Star Trek as far as I can remember did not have lines or characters as annoying as some of the ones in BB and TDK.

As for the Spider-Man films, take out that annoying asian women playing the violin in part 2 and the reporter and kids in part 3 and the rest isn't that bad.

 

[KILLING JOKER]

Thanks.




The new Star Trek as far as I can remember did not have lines or characters as annoying as some of the ones in BB and TDK.

As for the Spider-Man films, take out that annoying asian women playing the violin in part 2 and the reporter and kids in part 3 and the rest isn't that bad.

Only the kids bothered you in SM3? Anyways, I won't go into that.

The new Star Trek was good but I did find the humour getting dangerously close to slapstick. I think the idea of trying so hard to get a laugh in a movie that is not supposed to be a comedy is a bad one.

It started with the idea of putting hillarious moments in action films like in Indiana Jones. The scene where he shoots the swordsman is brilliant and hillarious. The problem is the writers in hollywood think they HAVE to come up with clever little jokes to break tension and most of them just aren't talented enough to write them in. They come across as contrived and lame.

 

[[A]]

I loved the chase sequence. One of my favourite parts in the movie. The only criticism I have of it is that annoying **** who's in the armoured truck with Gordon.

But you had to divert attention away from that mute, mysterious driver

 

[raynorWilm]

Most people believe that David Goyer was responsible for the horrible one liners in Begins. He did have some input into TDK as well (though much less), so it's possible that he might be responsible for the SWAT guy lines. Either way, Nolan is still at least partly to blame for leaving those horrible lines in the finished product.

I'll give Goyer about 85% of the blame for the one-liners in BB. Goyer wrote his own draft of the BB script on his own before Nolan even looked at it and made changes. I have Goyer's original version, and the dialogue in it is significantly different than the dialogue eventually shown in the film. I don't think Goyer had much of anything to do with the TDK script, so it was all Jonah and Chris who crafted the one-liners in that one. Goyer just gets credit for the story and not the screenplay because of his role in the overall combined storyline.

 

[KILLING JOKER]

But you had to divert attention away from that mute, mysterious driver

It sure worked. At least, for me. I never gave the driver a second thought when I first watched it.

Still don't think he had to be that much of an idiot. I mean he's basically being a drama queen from start to finish.

 

[returntovoid]

"Nice coat"
"I'm not wearing hockey pads"

I liked those two lines, don't see why people are complaining about them.

"At least tell me what it looks like" - "Nevermind"
"A black...tank!"
"Is that a panic room?"
"Let's not do that again"
"Oh, that's not good!"
Close up of man drinking coffee and showing his reaction - in BB and in TDK
Man adjusts mirror - Batman swipes it off
Kids shooting imaginary guns in backseat of car

Those were terrible, I just easily ignore them.

 

[Figs]

Only the kids bothered you in SM3? Anyways, I won't go into that.

No, I just mentioned only them and that reporter because El Payaso had brought up annoying lines and whatnot. I also hated the fact that Parker became Emo because of the symbiote and started strutting around like a chump. Also, don't forget Mary Jane being written incredibly wrong in this film...and a bit in part 2.

The new Star Trek was good but I did find the humour getting dangerously close to slapstick. I think the idea of trying so hard to get a laugh in a movie that is not supposed to be a comedy is a bad one.

It started with the idea of putting hillarious moments in action films like in Indiana Jones. The scene where he shoots the swordsman is brilliant and hillarious. The problem is the writers in hollywood think they HAVE to come up with clever little jokes to break tension and most of them just aren't talented enough to write them in. They come across as contrived and lame.

Only joke I can remember being slapstick was when Bones kept giving Kirk the shots when they're getting on the ship. It didn't bother me much because I was having a fun time watching that film.

 

[Panthro]

The "humour" in both Nolan films absolutely sucks.

"Nice coat"
"At least tell me what it looks like" - "Nevermind"
"A black...tank!"
"I'm not wearing hockey pads"
"Is that a panic room?"
"Let's not do that again"
"Oh, that's not good!"

Not to mention the terrible visual "humour".

Close up of man drinking coffee and showing his reaction - in BB and in TDK
Man adjusts mirror - Batman swipes it off
Kids shooting imaginary guns in backseat of car

Just terrible. Takes you out of the film and breaks the atmosphere. Just doesnt need to be there, at all.

Of all that stuff you listed, the only one that even mildly bothered me was the hockey pads line. Seriously, is any of this worse than Batman Returns' "eat Floor High Fiber line"? You want bad comic relief, visual or otherwise, look at how many times Gimli is the victim of some horrible slapstick in Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers. God you could make a drinking game out of how many times he got dumped on.

I will concede the SWAT guy who kept running his mouth during the otherwise awesome chase scene sucked. He should have been left on the cutting room floor.

 

[lzzy]

The "humour" in both Nolan films absolutely sucks.

"Nice coat"
"At least tell me what it looks like" - "Nevermind"
"A black...tank!"
"I'm not wearing hockey pads"
"Is that a panic room?"
"Let's not do that again"
"Oh, that's not good!"

Not to mention the terrible visual "humour".

Close up of man drinking coffee and showing his reaction - in BB and in TDK
Man adjusts mirror - Batman swipes it off
Kids shooting imaginary guns in backseat of car

Just terrible. Takes you out of the film and breaks the atmosphere. Just doesnt need to be there, at all.

Oh god, yes. These things kill me. The guy riding with Gordon during the chase ruins it. So hammy, a helicopter is spinning out of control, possibly holding his cop buddies, and he quips, 'That's not good ... Oh, that's not good' in the jokiest, hammiest way. And I lost count of people looking at the Tumbler/Batpod with surprise, looking at their coffee, etc.