Bill Maher snapped last night

I didn't say I had proof, I didn't say I was supported by evidence or even historical trends. I just said that I refuse to believe that the Governement helped this atrocity take place.

the question is why?
patriotism Is love of your country, not your government.
I mean, common sense would tell you that a 19 or 20 year odl rich , famous woman would HAVE to be happy.
yet....

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by the by this is supposed to be the britster, if it's not. sorry.

Now, let's follow Logic here.
politicians are not exactly the most caring of people afterall.
I mean, there are tons of examples that don't make sense.
Catholic priests molesting boys?
I mean, seriously, I could go on forever.
 
Love of my country, and her people. I just... irrationally reject the idea of our governement AIDING these attacks.
 
Love of my country, and her people. I just... irrationally reject the idea of our governement AIDING these attacks.

yeah, yeah, that's what I meant to say.
remember that most often than not, in history the government turned out to be the enemy.
it acts upon interests that are sometimes to broad to be understood in an everyday citizen sort of way, and does things sometimes that are downright monstrous.
 
yeah, yeah, that's what I meant to say.
remember that most often than not, in history the government turned out to be the enemy.
it acts upon interests that are sometimes to broad to be understood in an everyday citizen sort of way, and does things sometimes that are downright monstrous.
I prefer to remember that our governement can be replaced, and that it was couraged this was done violently so by the man who helped to bring it about in the first place.
 
I prefer to remember that our governement can be replaced, and that it was couraged this was done violently so by the man who helped to bring it about in the first place.

I know, but the fact that it can be replaced doesn't mean that people haven't grown complacent.
Just look at how people were more than ready to give up their rights in order to feel safer.
just the suspension of habeas corpus alone should be flashing red "warning" letter in your mind's eye.
 
It's amazing what I've seen allowed on here, but that vid gets removed. WOW
 
What?!

No way, a whole wing of "the movement" is devoted to the idea that the attacks were real, in line with the official story, but that the problem is that the government knew they were coming and allowed it to happen to further the goals of P.N.A.C.
Physics and architecture have nothing to do with any of it.

The "Truth Movement" is comprised of people who question the mainstream account of what happened that day.
Tons of them are more interested in stuff like:

The 9/11 investigations making light of the "Bin Ladin Airlift" during the no-fly period, and ignoring the long-standing Bush family business ties to the Bin Ladin family fortune. (A company in which both families held interests, the Carlyle Group, was holding its annual meeting on September 11th, with George Bush Sr., James Baker, and two brothers of Osama Bin Ladin in attendance.)


Principals in US foreign policy under the current Bush administration (including Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle and others) have been instrumental in developing long-running plans for worldwide military hegemony, including an invasion of the Middle East, dating back to the Ford, Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations. They reiterated these plans in the late 1990s as members of the "Project for a New American Century," and stated a clear intent to invade Iraq for the purpose of "regime change." After 9/11, they lost no time in their attempt to tie Iraq to the attacks.


How it's well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers.

If you ask who was in charge, Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying.


How the US air defense system failed to follow standard procedures for responding to diverted passenger flights.

NORAD, FAA, Pentagon, USAF, as well as the 9/11 Commission - gave radically different explanations for the failure (in some cases upheld for years), such that several officials must have lied; but none were held accountable.

How the US military and other authorities planned or actually rehearsed defensive response to all elements of the 9/11 scenario during the year prior to the attack - including multiple hijackings, suicide crashbombings, and a strike on the Pentagon.

The multiple military wargames planned long in advance and held on the morning of September 11th included scenarios of a domestic air crisis, a plane crashing into a government building, and a large-scale emergency in New York. If this was only an incredible series of coincidences, why did the official investigations avoid the issue?
There is evidence that the wargames created confusion as to whether the unfolding events were "real world or exercise."
So people think the wargames served as a cover for air defense sabotage.

This makes it doubly preposterous when Bush and Cheney say "No one could have forseen planes crashing into buildings."
TELEVISION FICTION WRITERS foresaw that exact scenario. :huh:


It's super damning how multiple allied foreign agencies informed the US government of a coming attack in detail, including the manner and likely targets of the attack, the name of the operation (the "Big Wedding"), and the names of certain men later identified as being among the perpetrators.

And it's a fact that certain prominent persons received warnings not to fly on the week or on the day of September 11th.
There's a lady whose office is the exact point where a plane hit.
Guess where she was that morning.
She was at Warren Buffet's golf tournament, held on an Air Force base.
It's his annual golf tournament for all of his high powered friends, and every single other year, it was held on a different date (I can't remember, like, April 20th or whatever), but in 2001, after all those years, he told everyone that this year, it would be held on the morning of September 11th, so all his high powered friends took that morning off.

If you watch 9/11 retrospectives, you will see a lot of CEO's, talking about how sad it is that practically their whole staff was taken out. :o

........and how unknown speculators allegedly used foreknowledge of the Sept. 11th events to profiteer on many markets internationally - including but not limited to "put options" placed to short-sell the two airlines, WTC tenants, and WTC re-insurance companies in Chicago and London.



There's, uh, a lot more to it than engineering and physics. :o






I've seen both sides of this because as I've said before, my favorite magazines are "Paranoia" and "The Skeptic"...and I'm here to tell you, you're generalizing.
There are people on both sides that ignore experts, and there are people on both sides who don't have an agenda and really want to get at the truth.
There are people who think the Gov't. let it happen, who also ridicule claims about explosives in the buildings, just as there are people who believe the gov't. was innocent, but there are too many suspicious or convenient "facts" floating around to buy their "Official Story".

It's posts like these that really make me like you Willie...

:yay:
 
I prefer to remember that our governement can be replaced, and that it was couraged this was done violently so by the man who helped to bring it about in the first place.


If you think this kind of government we have right now can be replaced, you are dreaming. There is no revolution coming. It won't happen.
 
I know, but the fact that it can be replaced doesn't mean that people haven't grown complacent.
Just look at how people were more than ready to give up their rights in order to feel safer.
just the suspension of habeas corpus alone should be flashing red "warning" letter in your mind's eye.
You have a point. The Patriot Act should never have been applied to U.S. citizens.

If you think this kind of government we have right now can be replaced, you are dreaming. There is no revolution coming. It won't happen.
Not if no one dreams of it. Dream of a future, and reach for it with both hands.
 
I'd like you to go back and read the post you happened to be responding to.
I'd like you to then read about the building of the twin towers, the engineer responsible was hailed as a genius at the time he designed the towers.
that much is irrefutable fact, because I had to read about him back when I was studying architecture, years before 9-11.
second of all, how does any part of my post affect "what you saw" I don't remember saying "robots flew into the towers" or that you "saw holograms" I merely stated the fact that 9-11 was a rather convenient event for people who were instrumental in George Bush's rise to power, people that have had the world to gain from this since it started, be it monetary or Political.
how is that refuting what you saw?
How does that have anything to do with wreckage or victims?
oh that's right.
It has NOTHING to do with those two things.
you should learn to read, you should think before you react.
scratch the last part, just learn to think, else the only one deserving ":whatever:" is you.

Oh please. Stop thinking everything I think of 9/11 conspiracy theorists is just about your post. This is what I've been told by them before.

Yes, the designer was hailed as a genius. But everyone I know connected to the fire department said it was terribly constructed. "The world's biggest chimney," they referred to it as back in the 1970s because of all the fire code violoatons. I heard that after the '93 bombing, when they said it was lucky it hadn't come down then. I knew people who worked there and said the fire alarms went off so often that they usually ignored them.

Yes, it was terribly convenient for something like this to happen after Bush got into office. I remember watching Bush Sr on TV the day after it happened, seeing the look on his face, and thinking..."He knew." I saw Clinton on TV a few days later and saw the same look. They knew this was going to happen.

I remember Christie Whitman telling everyone the air was fine. We knew it wasn't fine. I worked in midtown, at least 2 miles away, and we could smell the fumes from the WTC. It wasn't fine. We knew they were lying.

I'm not saying it's not worth looking into...I've read the theories. Some are interesting, but most, from my point of view, having been there, I don't buy them. I don't believe a missle hit the Pentagon because my friend saw the plane. I don't have patience for anyone who tells me I didn't see dust on a certain street because some website told them there wasn't.

I don't have some blind trust in our government and that they always do the right thing. They screwed this up so bad and don't take a single bit of accountability for it, which is disgusting. Look at how many votes Bush got in NY in the last election to see how much we think of everything that clown's done for us in the last 6 years.

You could consider that people have actually read these theories and just don't buy it.
 
I saw the re-run today and I thought it was freakin hilarious.
 
i liked how bill maher got up like he was actually gonna do something. the 911truth movement gets no points for acting like rejects , they were trying to get kicked out rather than make a statement .
 
Only problem I have with the whole conspiracy theory is that every other f**k up the government has made has been exposed, but somehow this stays covered up. You really to tell me the government that's capable of this couldn't have gotten someone to have planted some weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to find?
 
You really to tell me the government that's capable of this couldn't have gotten someone to have planted some weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to find?
Yes. :huh:


You hear an attack is coming from 23 different sources, giving you the rough time window and target.
Lives will be lost but it's a legitimate sacrifice because it will allow you, who know better than the public, to usher in the beginings of a new golden age of power undreamt of.......so, you simply allow the attack to occur, by ordering your defense to stand down, 'cause this is what you've been waiting for for 10 years.


Or, you haul 100's of gigantic vehicles and silos into a hostile country, THROUGH all the surrounding hostile countries, where U.N. inspectors are dutifully inspecting (finding no WMD's), AND you have to kill the scores of men involved afterwards to ensure that they don't tell anyone.

Have you ever moved? If a bunch of Americans started moving s*** in (that's big enough to see from a satellite) to such a hostile country, that they'd been at war with before????

PLEASE. :whatever:



The OTHER alternative is, you simply sit back and continue reading the Goat Book to the little children at school.
 
You have a point. The Patriot Act should never have been applied to U.S. citizens.

Not if no one dreams of it. Dream of a future, and reach for it with both hands.



Aren't U.S. citizens capable of terrorism??
 
We have arrested several "U.S. citizens over the last 6 years that were planning attacks on our soil in the name of Allah. Americans......traitors.

If you are questionable, you should observed. You're doing nothing wrong, you got nothing to worry about.
 
Only problem I have with the whole conspiracy theory is that every other f**k up the government has made has been exposed, but somehow this stays covered up. You really to tell me the government that's capable of this couldn't have gotten someone to have planted some weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to find?
Most of these conspiracy theories juxtapose evidence to make it seem like the connection they want to see is there, but they fail to understand (or at least fail to accomplish) actually proving that the connection they draw is true or accurate. I could come from misconceptions about how our Government responds to certain things, it could come from taking quotes out of context, it could even come from playing on fact that most of your viewers won't verify your facts. If you read the annotations on Loose Change, it's pretty clear...they are full of sh**.

If your gonna say someone knew about it, fine. I cannot prove, nor will I prove the thoughts of everyone whose ever served in Government or the CIA or the FBI, etc. If you wanna say they didn't do enough or the response of insufficient...again, I cannot prove someone's effort either. But the fact is the facts don't support these theories.

Just like Area 51, just like UFOs, just like Rosewell, just like supernatural occurances...some people feel the need to disregard reality and really, truly hope for some world where everything is overly dramatic and every bit as fantastical as what they see on a movie screen...I don't know why, but every event has some conspiracy theorist halking his crap.
 
Just like Area 51, just like UFOs, just like Rosewell, just like supernatural occurances...some people feel the need to disregard reality and really, truly hope for some world where everything is overly dramatic and every bit as fantastical as what they see on a movie screen...I don't know why, but every event has some conspiracy theorist halking his crap.

That is so true, and that's why there's a danger of dismissing anything that sounds like "another crackpot conspiracy theory :whatever:"

It is pathetic, you see it a lot when celebrities die. From Elvis to Jim Morrison to Hendrix to Brian Jones to Marilyn Monroe to Cobain and 2Pac.
No, their violent, or unstable, drug-fueled lives of debauchery and delusion couldn't've killed them. It was a CONSPIRACY.



But the thing is, for instance....decades ago I tell people that they can build cars where the only emissions are water.
They guffaw, "WHADDA CRACKPOT!"

Now, you can enjoy watching the scientists on NOVA going for a drive, then stopping, holding a dixie cup under the exhaust pipe and then drinking it.
It SOUNDED like malarky, but guess what, it wasn't.

I've told people about the innocent people who were given mega-doses of LSD by the CIA in the 60's.
Well, they just don't "buy" that our government would do THAT.

Well, sorry narrowminds....you can effing WATCH the video of Bill Clinton officially apologizing for the death of one of them and talking about the reparations he caused the family to be paid, because it was such an outrage, but no one had done anything about it.



There are too many TSOG's who just want to live in an exciting fantasy wolrd at any cost.
But there are also WAY too many more people who's minds have become numbed by TV-Sparked apathy and a stupor of credulity.

You tell people about the experiments at Tuskegee and again, because they haven't done the research, and it isn't mentioned on Lost or Heroes, they will actually mock YOU, even though it's historically documented fact.


There is no way the official story of what happened on 9/11 can be true.
It's not even possible.
And, when something looks, smells and sounds fishy, it probably is, and.......WTF does Iraq have to do with 9/11?!?!?!?
Even if they DID have weaponry.

Nothing, and according to Colin Powell's former chief of staff, the admin. weren't idiots.
They knew that too.
Combined with the sight of half of them begging for a new Pearl Harbor as an impetus to return to Iraq and "finish the job"..........sorry, but I think believing the O.S. is what makes you gullible and desirous of living in a fantasy world. :o
 
man, this pretty much devolved into a 9/11 conspiracy theory thread.

anywhozzles, i watched this episode and yeah, those guys were being *****ebags and definitely deserved to get tossed, but man, bill mahr is a complete jerk-off. he sure as hell looked like he was trying prove how much of a badass he is by running into the audience to help escort that guy out. i like his show and i agree with him on a lot of issues, but i still think he's a pompous jerk.
 
man, this pretty much devolved into a 9/11 conspiracy theory thread.

anywhozzles, i watched this episode and yeah, those guys were being *****ebags and definitely deserved to get tossed, but man, bill mahr is a complete jerk-off. he sure as hell looked like he was trying prove how much of a badass he is by running into the audience to help escort that guy out. i like his show and i agree with him on a lot of issues, but i still think he's a pompous jerk.
"Don't tase me Mahr, don't tase me, hey don't tase me!".
 
man, this pretty much devolved into a 9/11 conspiracy theory thread.

anywhozzles, i watched this episode and yeah, those guys were being *****ebags and definitely deserved to get tossed, but man, bill mahr is a complete jerk-off. he sure as hell looked like he was trying prove how much of a badass he is by running into the audience to help escort that guy out. i like his show and i agree with him on a lot of issues, but i still think he's a pompous jerk.

I'm sorry but I lawled when that second ***** got up and called him a coward or whatever and he's just like "I'll kick your ass out too!" Lawl worthy.
 
"Don't tase me Mahr, don't tase me, hey don't tase me!".

yeah, and he said something like, "feel free to kick his ass" when they escorted the first guy out. oooohhh, he's such tough guy. :whatever:

does anyone know what those people were yelling? is there a transcript of the event?
 
I'm sorry but I lawled when that second ***** got up and called him a coward or whatever and he's just like "I'll kick your ass out too!" Lawl worthy.

meh, i just rolled my eyes. i've seen enough of his show to know he's an arrogant ass anyway, so it didn't surprise me to see him act like that, but it was pretty obvious he was playing to the cameras.
 

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