Billy Corgan and Jimmy Chamberlin return to save rock and roll!!!

[jaguarr]

no wonder he gets along so well with courtney love.

Maybe she'll inspire him to french-kiss a shotgun, as has been known to happen.

jag

 

[sinewave]

Maybe she'll inspire him to french-kiss a shotgun, as has been known to happen.

jag

werd. i ****ing worshipped the pumpkins after siamese dream and pisces iscariot came out, but they totally went down the crapper after that.

 

[Ghostvirus]

Hmm. Well, considering the fact that when I turn on the only supposed modern "rock" radio station in my area and I'm treated to mediocre crap like Linkin' Park and Papa Roach... yeah, I'd say that rock is in desperate need of saving.

Give me Papa Roach, & Linkin Park instead of the crap that is 1979.

 

[jimmy]

I'll burn my eyes out. . .

 

[That-Guy]

Give me Papa Roach, & Linkin Park instead of the crap that is 1979.

Suit yourself. You can eat up that corporate, made-in-the-studio schlock with a shovel for all I care. The Pumpkins are an amazing band, and anyone who has ever HELD a guitar will tell you Billy Corgan is 100 times the guitar player that the guys from either of those crapfest excuses for rock acts are.

 

[Fran]

Never liked the Pumpkins... can't stand Corgan's voice.

 

[Motown Marvel]

i met james iha once....he was a nice enough chap. never really got into the pumpkins, though i was never really against them either.

Give me Papa Roach, & Linkin Park instead of the crap that is 1979.

dude...er....im no pumpkins fan or nothing...but papa roach and linkin park make the pumpkins look like the f**king beatles!

 

[jaguarr]

Suit yourself. You can eat up that corporate, made-in-the-studio schlock with a shovel for all I care. The Pumpkins are an amazing band, and anyone who has ever HELD a guitar will tell you Billy Corgan is 100 times the guitar player that the guys from either of those crapfest excuses for rock acts are.

I wouldn't really call any of those guys guitar virtuosos to be honest.

jag

 

[Ghostvirus]

dude...er....im no pumpkins fan or nothing...but papa roach and linkin park make the pumpkins look like the f**king beatles!

That was my point. I would rather listen to crap than listen to da pumpkins.

 

[That-Guy]

That was my point. I would rather listen to crap than listen to da pumpkins.

So now you're saying that the Beatles are crap too?

Look, I'm not saying that the Pumpkins are for everyone. I know there are plenty of people out there who don't like them. And I'll even go so far as to say that I can understand why. Corgan's voice is an acquired taste. I literally HATED it when I first heard it, but it gradually grew on me until they became my favorite band. I'm not saying he is, by any means, the greatest singer in the world. Nor are they, collectively, the greatest band in the world. However, they are distinctive, they have their place in history, and their music is instantly recognizable whereas so many other bands these days sound so generic and run-of-the-mill that its hard to tell them apart.

 

[Motown Marvel]

That was my point. I would rather listen to crap than listen to da pumpkins.

why would you want to listen to a crappier band than the better band? the pumpkins are a far better band than linkin park and papa roach. those two bands are just a flat out atrocity!!

 

[terry78]

I heard that Tarantula song the other day...not too shabby. I think Corgan just has that kind of voice that you just have to stop and listen to.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

I wouldn't really call any of those guys guitar virtuosos to be honest.

jag

James Iha is a damn fine guitarist. Corgan can blow it out his ass though. No human male should have that little bass in his voice.

 

[jaguarr]

James Iha is a damn fine guitarist. Corgan can blow it out his ass though. No human male should have that little bass in his voice.

Sorry, but when you grew up listening to guys like Stevie Ray, Hendrix, Satriani, Vai, Van Halen, etc....guys like Iha pale under the weight of that sort of true virtuosity.

jag

 

[That-Guy]

James Iha is a damn fine guitarist. Corgan can blow it out his ass though. No human male should have that little bass in his voice.

James did evolve into a great player, but Corgan pretty much taught him how to play. Iha even admitted it in an interview (no, I don't have a link, but I swear it's true) where he said that he wasn't much of a guitarist when the band started out, and it's a well known fact that Siamese Dream, which is considered by many to be the band's best album, was pretty much ALL Corgan on guitar and bass.

 

[That-Guy]

I heard that Tarantula song the other day...not too shabby. I think Corgan just has that kind of voice that you just have to stop and listen to.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Corgan may not have the best voice in the world, but it jumps out at you... it MAKES you stop and take notice.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

ok, I just heard the new song.
and you know what? all you Billy Corgan detractors/haters can go straight to take a vacation, a lavish one, you're right.
I've been defending that shiftless emo-**** for the last decade, because "c'mon, he might be **** human being but he's a good musician and producer"
**** all that, he just took everything that I could tolerate about his music, I even overlooked "machina the machines of god" based on the strenght of Gish and the promise that this Glory would once return.
I should've known that a guy that couldn't make a cool/listenable record with Dave ****ing Pajo of all people was a megalomaniac on the path to sweet, sweet self destruction.
the new song blows in ways previously uninmagined by the Likes of that dude that wrote the Twister movie.
this was a class 10/ finger of god ****pile that I'm ashamed to even recall, If i had a trap door on my skullcap I'd scrub out the part of my brain that holds this information with a goddammed brillo pad.
I mean, I thought "hey, chamberlin still around...can't be that bad can it?"

oh, it can, it can very much be that bad and worse, oh, for you Old hair-metal dudes, one of the guys from Scorpion is going to be on the live band for this Album so dig out your sleeveless Whitesnake shirts and enjoy.

in sumation.

**** you Corgan, you blew it up you bastard, damn you, damn you to hellllllllllllllllllllllllllll!!!!

 

[That-Guy]

ok, I just heard the new song.
and you know what? all you Billy Corgan detractors/haters can go straight to take a vacation, a lavish one, you're right.
I've been defending that shiftless emo-**** for the last decade, because "c'mon, he might be **** human being but he's a good musician and producer"
**** all that, he just took everything that I could tolerate about his music, I even overlooked "machina the machines of god" based on the strenght of Gish and the promise that this Glory would once return.
I should've known that a guy that couldn't make a cool/listenable record with Dave ****ing Pajo of all people was a megalomaniac on the path to sweet, sweet self destruction.
the new song blows in ways previously uninmagined by the Likes of that dude that wrote the Twister movie.
this was a class 10/ finger of god ****pile that I'm ashamed to even recall, If i had a trap door on my skullcap I'd scrub out the part of my brain that holds this information with a goddammed brillo pad.
I mean, I thought "hey, chamberlin still around...can't be that bad can it?"

oh, it can, it can very much be that bad and worse, oh, for you Old hair-metal dudes, one of the guys from Scorpion is going to be on the live band for this Album so dig out your sleeveless Whitesnake shirts and enjoy.

in sumation.

**** you Corgan, you blew it up you bastard, damn you, damn you to hellllllllllllllllllllllllllll!!!!

Well, folks here you go. If you're going to hate on Corgan, than please, do it in a rational, thought-out, well-written statement like THIS fine example.

I didn't know that spiderfreddie was a music fan.

Anyway, regardless of what some people might say, I've heard the new song, and it rocks. Yes, I'm a little biased, but so what? For those who haven't heard it, it pretty much sounds like a mix of Gish-era and Siamese-Dream era Pumpkins with little tidbits of Zeppelin's BBC sessions thrown in. It's a little all over the place, but hell, it's refreshing to hear something on the radio that isn't just the same two power chords over and over again and the same boring chorus. I had to sit through that god-awful Papa Roach song THREE times today just to hear SP on the radio. Now if you want to talk about sh**ty music, let's examine that fine piece of Americana. The chorus is "Days come and go but my feelings for you are forever." Wow. That's deep. Bob Dylan, Allen Ginsburg... they have nothing on this guy and his bold, introspective poetry.

 

[PhotoJones]

Sorry, but when you grew up listening to guys like Stevie Ray, Hendrix, Satriani, Vai, Van Halen, etc....guys like Iha pale under the weight of that sort of true virtuosity.

jag

Ugh...Joe Satriani and Steve Vai are two of the most lifeless musicians of all time. They're great technical guitarists, to be sure. But both of them just have no soul to their music at all. It's not even music to me, it's like a long math equation.

 

[jaguarr]

Ugh...Joe Satriani and Steve Vai are two of the most lifeless musicians of all time. They're great technical guitarists, to be sure. But both of them just have no soul to their music at all. It's not even music to me, it's like a long math equation.

I also mentioned Stevie Ray, Hendrix and Eddie Van Halen. Why you gotta fixate on Joe and Steve? Some more for your delicate palate: Jeff Beck, Clapton, Jeff Healey, Dave Hole, Jay Hooks, Eric Johnson, Robert Cray, Albert Collins, Albert King, Colin James, Tommy Iommi, Zakk Wylde, Prince, Angus Young, Santana, Frampton, Jimmy Page, John Butcher, Billy Gibbons, B.B. King.....the list of incredibly gifted guitarists that stand head and shoulders above 99.9% of the guy making "pop" music (and I would include Iha and Corgan in that list) is almost endless. That's the only point I was trying to make. The artistry of the guitar virtuoso...hell, musicianship in general...just doesn't have a focus on it that much these days, unfortunately. And bands like Linkin' Park, Papa Roach and, yes, the Pumpkins, aren't doing a whole lot to change that, IMHO.

BTW, I've seen both Satriani and Vai live in concert and you'd be surprised how much soul they bring to their live performances, Vai in particular. And that's coming from a guy who lives for the blues.

jag

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Somebody needs to watch the video for "Yankee Rose" and learn the definition of the word "life".

Satriani sucks hard. He's the Kenny G of guitarists. But Vai is one of your more Warner Brothers Cartoon, soaring, colorful, stretch the boundaries - type players.....at least when I used to listen to him.
I outgrew that kind of music, but you can't...lol...call Vai "lifeless", regardless.

2 different scenes though. No mainstream guys from the 90's on were very intrested in...exploring the instrument, as song-writing took over.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Well, folks here you go. If you're going to hate on Corgan, than please, do it in a rational, thought-out, well-written statement like THIS fine example.

I didn't know that spiderfreddie was a music fan.

Anyway, regardless of what some people might say, I've heard the new song, and it rocks. Yes, I'm a little biased, but so what? For those who haven't heard it, it pretty much sounds like a mix of Gish-era and Siamese-Dream era Pumpkins with little tidbits of Zeppelin's BBC sessions thrown in. It's a little all over the place, but hell, it's refreshing to hear something on the radio that isn't just the same two power chords over and over again and the same boring chorus. I had to sit through that god-awful Papa Roach song THREE times today just to hear SP on the radio. Now if you want to talk about sh**ty music, let's examine that fine piece of Americana. The chorus is "Days come and go but my feelings for you are forever." Wow. That's deep. Bob Dylan, Allen Ginsburg... they have nothing on this guy and his bold, introspective poetry.

LOL, yeah, "well thought out" to you means referencing Led Zepelin whne mention Corgan, congrats you can now get a music journalist job in 1993, hope it goes swell.
"a little bit all over the place"? no, it stays in the SAME place, a boring place. there's nothing there anymore.
even Chamberlin who normally knows how to salvage a song is not up to snuff on this one.
and seriously? you're saying that the new SP is good because it's better than Papa ****ing Roach?
my gawd! have our musical standards sunk so low that now we will bow not to something good, but to something "not quite that ****ty"

No thanks bro. enjoy Corgan's three hour tour into prog-rock mediocrity land, Pearl Jam awaits eagerly for some company.
the fact that you mention the single 2 best SP albums and say that this sounds like a mix of them just, just confuses the hell out of me, this sounds like Zwan / Friends and Enemies of modern music if it sounds like anything at all.

but it still puzzles me that your whole argument for how SP is, was that Papa Roach is real ****ty.

that like, makes no sense.

P.S.

you know very little about music, stop making it evident.

P.P.S.

No seriously, shut up.

P.P.P.S.

on second thought, keep going, I want to see how awesome the new SP single is when you compare it to Shabba Ranks 1991 hit "mr. lover man"

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Satriani sucks hard. He's the Kenny G of guitarists. But Vai is one of your more Warner Brothers Cartoon, soaring, colorful, stretch the boundaries - type players.....at least when I used to listen to him.

plus he was in the movie crossroads, that's ****ing hardcore man.

 

[jaguarr]

Somebody needs to watch the video for "Yankee Rose" and learn the definition of the word "life".

Satriani sucks hard. He's the Kenny G of guitarists. But Vai is one of your more Warner Brothers Cartoon, soaring, colorful, stretch the boundaries - type players.....at least when I used to listen to him.
I outgrew that kind of music, but you can't...lol...call Vai "lifeless", regardless.

2 different scenes though. No mainstream guys from the 90's on were very intrested in...exploring the instrument, as song-writing took over.

Which is really the main part of what I was trying to convey with my post, though I don't know that I'd agree that song-writing truly won out over instrumental ability or not. I'd say that they both have suffered for the most part, really.

And, yeah, the Satriani/Kenny G comparison is pretty fair. I can't deny the technical prowess of either guy, though, which is what prompted me to bring up Satriani in the first place. I mean, I HATE Kenny G with a passion, but I have a lot of respect for his technical ability. He's one of the few wind instrument players I know of who can do circular breathing which means he can play passages endlessly without stopping for a full breath which the vast majority of wind players simply can't do. I'm sure his boyfriend appreciates that talent as well.

jag

 

[jaguarr]

On another note, I know some folks like Billy Corgan's voice quite a bit because it's so unique, but as a trained and stage-tested vocalist I have to say that I truly hate his voice. He does everything a singer should not to get that squawk to come out and it grates on my nerves quite a bit. It works on certain songs, but I've never actually been able to listen to an entire SP album because his voice makes my ears bleed after three songs in a row.

jag