Biofuel: Explore The Possibilities

[CorpusBlack]

Ethanol was a failed step into biofuel and other, better alternatives are already being practiced.

Thats what we are here to discuss: all possibilities and the pros and cons of each.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

While I support Alternative Fuels, I believe that Ethenol would be ineffective as it takes 1.29 gallons of Gasoline to produce 1 gallon of Ethanol. It wouldn't make sence.

that is incorrect.
Brazil has used ethanol as an alternative to gasoline, there's no way the gasoline use you suggested is true, else it would be cheaper for brazilians to just use gasoline.

 

[SuBe]

that is incorrect.
Brazil has used ethanol as an alternative to gasoline, there's no way the gasoline use you suggested is true, else it would be cheaper for brazilians to just use gasoline.

Take a quick read Sparky.

http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/cooke/2007/0202.html

 

[Mr Sparkle]

how about some reality instead

 

[Mr Sparkle]

USDA study on ethanol economic feasibility

 

[Mr Sparkle]

so in other words, while there are many problems with ethanol production the one you described is not one of them.
I'm not even pro-ethanol I'm just saying is all.

 

[CorpusBlack]

Mr. Sparkle and SuBe: rivals locked in eternal battle.

 

[MadHatterJones]

I'm a fan of poop fuel. Gas for gas. Simple. Easy. Makes sense.

 

[CorpusBlack]

I'm a fan of poop fuel. Gas for gas. Simple. Easy. Makes sense.

Just had chimichangas for lunch in an effort to stockpile fuel for the future.

 

[The Senator]

Perhaps liquefied coal could be an alternative. We have enough coal to fulfill our energy needs for four hundred years. It's cheap to mine, and would therefore be cheap to purchase. The only expensive part would be creating plants which could transform coal in its solid state into a liquid, which would have the same properties of oil. If I'm correct in my assessment, it worked in South Africa when they were shut off from the international community during apartheid.

 

[CorpusBlack]

Perhaps liquefied coal could be an alternative. We have enough coal to fulfill our energy needs for four hundred years. It's cheap to mine, and would therefore be cheap to purchase. The only expensive part would be creating plants which could transform coal in its solid state into a liquid, which would have the same properties of oil. If I'm correct in my assessment, it worked in South Africa when they were shut off from the international community during apartheid.

Interesting in theory. I'll have to read up on it.

 

[wiegeabo]

I wonder how much pollution is involved with liquefied coal as opposed to regular coal plants and alternative biofuel growth/development.

 

[CorpusBlack]

I wonder how much pollution is involved with liquefied coal as opposed to regular coal plants and alternative biofuel growth/development.

That's what I'm wondering as well. It certainly doesn't seem like a cleaner solution.

 

[The Senator]

I wonder how much pollution is involved with liquefied coal as opposed to regular coal plants and alternative biofuel growth/development.

I think the emissions levels are about the same as oil, because coal is essential a solid version of oil.

It wouldn't be a cleaner solution, but it wouldn't be a far 'dirtier' solution, either. It would just be an alternative which could be easier to pursue than ethanol.

Also... whatever happened to fuel cell technology?

 

[Carcharodon]

There's a place in San Francisco (garbage treatment) that takes organic matter and transforms it into ethanol. Just stuff we've thrown away. Good times.

 

[wiegeabo]

I think the emissions levels are about the same as oil, because coal is essential a solid version of oil.

It wouldn't be a cleaner solution, but it wouldn't be a far 'dirtier' solution, either. It would just be an alternative which could be easier to pursue than ethanol.

Also... whatever happened to fuel cell technology?

It's coming along. Iceland is off of fossil fuels altogether in their cars. They're a hydrogen economy now.

 

[Carcharodon]

Also... whatever happened to fuel cell technology?

It's still being tossed around, and there are several prototypes now being tested. The problem is figuring out how to effectively (and efficiently) perform the electrolysis necessary to produce the hydrogen gas in the first place.

Of course, they're probably just stalling it. Most of the research into fuel cell technology is being done by (you guessed it!) oil companies, and I think that they're waiting until they absolutely have to make the leap.

All of the problems about containment and how dangerous it is were really bull****, too. There are lots of safe containment and transportation methods for Hydrogen.

 

[CorpusBlack]

There's a place in San Francisco (garbage treatment) that takes organic matter and transforms it into ethanol. Just stuff we've thrown away. Good times.

Welcome back from class.

They're a hydrogen economy now.

 

[CorpusBlack]

All of the problems about containment and how dangerous it is were really bull****, too. There are lots of safe containment and transportation methods for Hydrogen.

I remember a group that was opposing hydrogen used the Hindenberg as an example.

 

[Carcharodon]

Welcome back from class.

Yeah...learning about endocrine/exocrine function is really, really boring. Cool, but boring.

...which reminds me (and this is much better when said out loud): How do you make a hormone?

Spoiler

Don't pay her.

 

[Carcharodon]

I remember a group that was opposing hydrogen used the Hindenberg as an example.

Might have been a valid complaint in the 1930's....lol. t:

 

[CorpusBlack]

...which reminds me (and this is much better when said out loud): How do you make a hormone?

Spoiler

Don't pay her.

Man, it's 4th grade all over again.

 

[Carcharodon]

Man, it's 4th grade all over again.

Whatever. It's badass.

 

[Mr. Credible]

what about the car that ran on radio-waves?

i thought i'd read that somewhere.

 

[Addendum]

Water Powered Cars

Stan Meyer's water fuel cell