It’s not the red and black thing, I like that. It’s the hair mostly. It went from “specific take on the character” to stepping backwards toward the male gaze side of things. It’s still 100000 times better than Ayer’s look though.Eh, James Gunn made Harley Quinn look like Harley Quinn. The red and black color scheme is kinda her thing.
I think some fans want to see Harley Quinn as a crazy villain, mostly as Joker's side-kick, which is a step backwards and this makes her rather two-dimensional.It’s not the red and black thing, I like that. It’s the hair mostly. It went from “specific take on the character” to stepping backwards toward the male gaze side of things. It’s still 100000 times better than Ayer’s look though.
Agree. I kind of wish they’d do a Harley and Ivy HBO Max miniseries with Cathy Yan as the director/producer.I think some fans want to see Harley Quinn as a crazy villain, mostly as Joker's side-kick, which is a step backwards and this makes her rather two-dimensional.
Then there's Arkham games / Mortal Kombat games version of Harley, I think which is the version James Gunn seems to be going for, as a crazy bad-@$$ character, which again makes her rather two dimensional character.
In BoP she's having more personality (which is closer to BTAS Harley) and character arc, which is better version.
Weird cause a lot of people like Ayer's look for her. A lot of women too, I mean what's the problem. Gunn's version looks good as well.It’s still 100000 times better than Ayer’s look though.
Gunn’s looks good but just seems like a big pivot from BOP. Ayers is just male gaze garbage. Treats her less like a fully formed character and more like “I’m dressed this way to show off my butt and please the male viewers”. Yes, she’s got those vibes to her in the comics (written and drawn a lot by men) and cartoon but one would say she covers up more in her classic look than what Ayer had her in.Weird cause a lot of people like Ayer's look for her. A lot of women too, I mean what's the problem. Gunn's version looks good as well.
To be fair, her Ayer look is fine too. It's only looked at harshly because it's a superhero movie. I don't think there was anything wrong with the way she dressed even if it was pleasing male viewers. They don't make the world go round lol. I don't know why clothes and hair is so political. And why people like to police how fictional female character (and real life women too) dress, with all the weird pseudo feminist gatekeeping.Gunn’s looks good but just seems like a big pivot from BOP. Ayers is just male gaze garbage. Treats her less like a fully formed character and more like “I’m dressed this way to show off my butt and please the male viewers”. Yes, she’s got those vibes to her in the comics (written and drawn a lot by men) and cartoon but one would say she covers up more in her classic look than what Ayer had her in.
Which is what made BOP refreshing. The outfits she was in were in character yet comfortable and made sense. I’m happy with Gunn’s take for that reason.
The difference between Suicide Squad and Birds of Prey fashion is based upon the fact that one comes from the male gaze position and the other from the eye of a female director. BOP features women dressed by women. It still has short shorts, tank tops and skin but it’s not in the objectified way. Treats them more like characters and less like something for men to look at and get excited by. Look at the suicide squad, all the men are covered up, not showing flesh. Harley’s butt is hanging out. No armor or protection. Then... Look at Gunns, she is at least matching what the rest of the team has.To be fair, her Ayer look is fine too. It's only looked at harshly because it's a superhero movie. I don't think there was anything wrong with the way she dressed even if it was pleasing male viewers. They don't make the world go round lol. I don't know why clothes and hair is so political. And why people like to police how fictional female character (and real life women too) dress, with all the weird pseudo feminist gatekeeping.
it wouldn't be a problem if it was better balanced out, in terms of female representation and style. If there were more females on the team Harley's clothing wouldn't stand out so much. I guess i saw Ayer’s wardrobe of Harley to be totally her type of punk rock style. Controversial opinion i know, but I don't think "male/female gaze" is inherently bad if the character isn't there solely for the gaze. The problem I think was that because it's an ensemble film it's hard to have Harley's personality stand out. So people just notices her attire. Dressing her more modestly or practically wasn't going to develop her character more than it already was in that film. Tbh it would have actually worked better in her own movie cause she'd have the whole film to her self including wardrobe changing. I think as a character Harley should dress however she likes. But Harley's not a real person, so her style is whatever people (male/female writers) demands it to be, or want it to be i guess.The difference between Suicide Squad and Birds of Prey fashion is based upon the fact that one comes from the male gaze position and the other from the eye of a female director. BOP features women dressed by women. It still has short shorts, tank tops and skin but it’s not in the objectified way. Treats them more like characters and less like something for men to look at and get excited by. Look at the suicide squad, all the men are covered up, not showing flesh. Harley’s butt is hanging out. No armor or protection. Then... Look at Gunns, she is at least matching what the rest of the team has.
Not trying to fight, just think it matters to have women behind the scenes that help make sure female characters are more than just eye Candy for the male audience.
The difference between Suicide Squad and Birds of Prey fashion is based upon the fact that one comes from the male gaze position and the other from the eye of a female director. BOP features women dressed by women. It still has short shorts, tank tops and skin but it’s not in the objectified way. Treats them more like characters and less like something for men to look at and get excited by. Look at the suicide squad, all the men are covered up, not showing flesh. Harley’s butt is hanging out. No armor or protection. Then... Look at Gunns, she is at least matching what the rest of the team has.
Not trying to fight, just think it matters to have women behind the scenes that help make sure female characters are more than just eye Candy for the male audience.
Yeah. Basically agree with it. BOP lacked the harlequin look because they were trying to separate her from her connection with the Joker. Also I think her outfits looked great so *shrug*. I’m excited for The Suicide Squad though. Love the Black and Red look. Just don’t love the hair yet.Even short shorts, look at the length in SS
Compared to BoP
The shorts in SS didnt need to be to the point where he butt hung out and Margot would have to state "never again". But this is also paired with Ayers going "we tried multiple Harley looks and this was the best one we could do" only for the sequel to come out with something that is true to the character and still has the required "sexiness"
Harley went from a character that was covered head to toe to reducing that by like 85% whereas male characters who start off in ridiculous outfits where they have next to nothing on are usually adapted to film with more clothing on.
Except Gunn’s design isn't "sexiness". It's just neutral, which is totally fine too.Even short shorts, look at the length in SS
Compared to BoP
The shorts in SS didnt need to be to the point where he butt hung out and Margot would have to state "never again". But this is also paired with Ayers going "we tried multiple Harley looks and this was the best one we could do" only for the sequel to come out with something that is true to the character and still has the required "sexiness"
Harley went from a character that was covered head to toe to reducing that by like 85% whereas male characters who start off in ridiculous outfits where they have next to nothing on are usually adapted to film with more clothing on.
Every Halloween party i been to that following summer here in L.A. had about 2 dozen male and female Harley Quinn costumes. Not to mention all the conventions. So it couldn't have been too terrible a look. Just sayin.I mean clearly the look is iconic cause I see women AND men cosplaying that look.
Except Gunn’s design isn't "sexiness". It's just neutral, which is totally fine too.
Which is ironic, cause she didn't even show any cleavage in Ayer's SS.It showcases enough skin where you can see some boob, that's to give her some sexiness.
Which is ironic, cause she didn't even show any cleavage in Ayer's SS.