Black Panther vs CA: Winter Soldier: Which was best?

[Mjölnir]

I'd also argue at that point, T'Challa saw Klaw as falling under Wakandan justice, and Wakanda is shown to be super strict to outsiders. Zemo bombed an embassy elsewhere, so even if he killed T'Chaka, he still had to answer for the deaths of others as well. Further, Zemo was about to kill himself. Life was a harsher punishment than death for him.

I can see where people see this as a character regression, but I think it was consistent with T'Challa.

Just killing someone that you've taken prisoner isn't justice, and the emotional state that T'Challa was in at the moment suggests that he wasn't about justice at the time. Justice is logical, revenge is emotionally driven. He was in such an erratic mindset that he couldn't even think clearly enough to realize that killing someone in South Korea in front of a ton of people was a bad idea. He didn't even seem aware of his surroundings, while normally he's always calm and aware.

We also see in his conversation with W'Kabi that he really wants to capture Klaue, but he doesn't really want to tell W'Kabi that he's wrong to ask for revenge. So in a calm mind T'Challa was not looking to kill Klaue, but he got pushed emotionally to the point of revenge again.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Yes, he went to BW, and then worked with Hawkeye, both Agents of Shield.

He works for Shield later, which isn't necessarily Nick Fury. He may never see him outside of what we see if TWS. Also TWS is set 2 years later, while BP is set two weeks later (if even that).

BW and Hawkeye are grunts, though. Fury is the boss, and even if he isn't meeting him every day, it is his orders he's following.

Every interview I've read stressed that Steve had been working with Natasha for two years, so no, there wasn't any gap.

The other is BP learning to not let his anger and vengeance control him, leading him to save the life of the man who killed his father and King, only to forget that lesson 2 weeks later.
I can be angry with someone temporarily and not be later. But learning a major life lesson and making a major decision in regards to someone else based on that, only to leave that lesson behind a short time later, is a very different item.

And there's a difference between just getting angry about someone, and being outraged at them for something.

As for T'Challa, just because someone learns a major life lesson doesn't mean they make a full turn right on the spot. It is a work in progress, specifically because it has been two weeks. He can decide he shouldn't let anger get the better of him, but then get angry later anyway.

 

[Melpardus]

As a better overall geopolitical thriller and action movie, Captain America: The Winter Soldier works for me. As an actual sociopolitical think piece (and character-driven piece), I gotta give it to Black Panther, hence my vote.

 

[Pennywise]

Winter Soldier, though BP is great as well!

 

[The_Manhunter]

Hard question. They are right next to each other in my MCU rankings. TWS has a better story and main villain IMO but I liked T’Challa much more than Steve.

 

[Chesterfield]

Where WS beats BP is in the action department which is strange because it's not even close and when you consider who BP is and his skillsets/heroics, the action and fight scenes especially should have either been on par at least or significantly better. I'm not going to lie, the fight scenes in BP disappointed me and my only reprieve is hoping that the Russo bros correct this for IW which we get to see NEXT WEEK!

 

[Chance Jackson]

Just killing someone that you've taken prisoner isn't justice, and the emotional state that T'Challa was in at the moment suggests that he wasn't about justice at the time. Justice is logical, revenge is emotionally driven. He was in such an erratic mindset that he couldn't even think clearly enough to realize that killing someone in South Korea in front of a ton of people was a bad idea. He didn't even seem aware of his surroundings, while normally he's always calm and aware.

We also see in his conversation with W'Kabi that he really wants to capture Klaue, but he doesn't really want to tell W'Kabi that he's wrong to ask for revenge. So in a calm mind T'Challa was not looking to kill Klaue, but he got pushed emotionally to the point of revenge again.

Klaue had already been captured once by wakandans and had proven he has the resources and allies to mount effective escape attempts so T'challa going for summary execution isn't character regression it is immediate resolution to the matter as a result of holding back Klaue's allies would break him out.

Plus plenty of Klaue's men already died, and there was a significant shoot out and chase on the streets of busan so the whole matter should already be an international incident anyways

 

[Bren]

WS by quite a long way.
I enjoyed most of the characters in BP more, but CA and BP leads were equal, but I preferred WS way more as a movie.

 

[kedrell]

Where WS beats BP is in the action department which is strange because it's not even close and when you consider who BP is and his skillsets/heroics, the action and fight scenes especially should have either been on par at least or significantly better. I'm not going to lie, the fight scenes in BP disappointed me and my only reprieve is hoping that the Russo bros correct this for IW which we get to see NEXT WEEK!

It's hard to top the Russo's when it comes to comic book action. They've proved that twice already. I'm ever so confident IW will follow suit.