Black Widow: The Movie

[DrCosmic]

Is there any female character you don't feel is a waste of film?

 

[Primal Slayer]

I don't see how it would be a waste of time. She is a character, she has a history. I would love to see it explored.

 

[DrCosmic]

I can see how it could. Like, in Phase 3, Widow doesn't help build towards Thanos, like, at all. Cosmic MacGuffins are fundamentally not in her wheelhouse. Also, it is hard to keep her political action thriller as a necessity when the MCU already has Cap as a political action thriller franchise. She's more than worthwhile on her own, but in the context of the MCU, it's hard to think there aren't at least a couple better choices. The only question is if she's more worthy than Captain Marvel and what exactly that means for either of them.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Not every single MCU movie has to be geared towards the overall story. There can a couple of movies here and there that explore the smaller characters and just help build it overall on the side. Not to mention it would be one of the cheaper movies so it wouldn't really effect them making their other movies.

And her getting her own movie shouldn't have to do with Ms.Marvel getting hers, but of course if it DID then I think majority would rather have Marvel get made.

 

[fixxxer]

Love both the Black Widow character and her portrayal in the MCU. However, like I said, a BW movie does not push the universe forward in a way that a Black Panther, Captain Marvel or Inhumans movie would. Or, for that matter, even a sequel to GOTG or one of the "big 4" characters.

BW is essentially SHIELD agent #<insert integer here> as of now. There would be a big thematic overlap with the Captain America franchise. And I wouldn't be all that excited about a prequel since, again, it wouldn't do too much to push the universe forward.

If a Black Widow film could be released as a lower budget, off-blockbuster season, third annual Marvel Studios movie that's a taut spy thriller rather than an effects-and-spectacle tent-pole, then hell yes! Else, if it would come at the expense of one of the above properties, or even a sequel to an existing property, I don't think it would be a very good idea.

 

[DrCosmic]

I do take back comparing her with Captain Marvel. I think both should be made, and I agree it works better as an off season thriller lower budget thing. I guess we all seem to agree with that.

 

[Spider-Vader]

I'm excited about the possibility of a Widow movie, Avengers made me really love her character & pay more attention to her in the comics. A Black Widow movie being Marvel's James Bond could be awesome.

BUT I'd rather have Captain Marvel be the first good/successful woman superhero movie, Carol is way more super hero-y than Widow so it'd be fitting.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I don't care who the first good/successful woman superhero movie is as long as we get one since then it will lead to more.

 

[Gr0oT]

Is there any female character you don't feel is a waste of film?

Yes, plenty.

I'd love to see a Ms.Marvel and/or Captain Marvel movie.
I'd watch something the She-Hulk in it.
I'd give my left nugget for a Jessica Drew Spider Woman movie in the MCU.

I would even love to see Squirrel Girl win hearts all over the world.

I'm just not sold on the MCU's Black Widow.
Scarjo is a beauty but there is no danger to her, nothing really intrigues me about her almost campy version of the character. Her acting hasn't inspired me either, she has a rather dull delivery.

Pretty sure Emily Blunt's version would have been much better but even then I don't know if there'd be enough there to justify a movie.

All that said I'd love to see BW developed on AoS in an arc.

 

[fixxxer]

I do take back comparing her with Captain Marvel. I think both should be made, and I agree it works better as an off season thriller lower budget thing. I guess we all seem to agree with that.

Yup, agreed. And when I said a Black Widow movie wouldn't drive the MCU forward, I failed to mention that while that is true, is would lend a lot of context and character to the existing universe. I'm all in on the latter, but not at the expense of the former.

That's why I think Black Panther and Captain Marvel movies are absolutely essential. Black Widow, I would love, but as an ancillary release... well, relatively ancillary, that is.

 

[fixxxer]

All that said I'd love to see BW developed on AoS in an arc.

God bless said show's soul, but despite some recent improvement, there's absolutely no way AOS would do justice to the Black Widow character. And while not impossible, it's highly, highly unlikely that an A-lister like ScarJo would do a protracted arc on AOS. An off-season, lower budget release would be perfect.

 

[KevanG]

I'd like to see a BW movie. Don't have her fight people with massive powers, have her do what she does best. I'd even like to see a Hawkeye/BW movie where they show what happened between them. In any case if they had some either very low powered people like Taskmaster or non powered folks like Bullseye (I know he's a DD villain with Fox but it still works) it wouldn't be inconceivable that they'd be hired to run security for something huge like making Mandroids or something.

 

[THED]

Unless it's given the attention it deserves a BW movie would probably go down as the MCU's biggest misfire.

 

[Spider-Vader]

I'd like to see a BW movie. Don't have her fight people with massive powers, have her do what she does best. I'd even like to see a Hawkeye/BW movie where they show what happened between them. In any case if they had some either very low powered people like Taskmaster or non powered folks like Bullseye (I know he's a DD villain with Fox but it still works) it wouldn't be inconceivable that they'd be hired to run security for something huge like making Mandroids or something.

Marvel has the rights back and are making a DD show dude.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

If Marvel played it right, they could start building a James Bond level franchise out of Black Widow.

She already has the exposure and brand awareness. They just need to capitalize on it. Strike while the iron's hot!

 

[KevanG]

Marvel has the rights back and are making a DD show dude.

I never know who's got what rights with what anymore.

 

[Chance Jackson]

I never know who's got what rights with what anymore.

Confusing right? Marvel has Blade and Ghost Rider back too. But then you have characters like Spider-Woman where unless your Sony or Marvel Studios no one knows for sure who has the movie rights.

 

[Shoppy]

I never know who's got what rights with what anymore.

Fox has X-Men (and related properties such as Wolverine, X-Force, Deadpool)and Fantastic Four but gave up the rights to Daredevil (and by association Elektra).

Kingpin though was never part of the Daredevil deal, the rights to him are part of the Spider-man rights I think and Fox had to sort out some deal with Sony to use him in the Daredevil movie last time, so I don't know how it'd work in the MCU, probably he can appear but can't mention Spidey(...just as Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver can't mention Magneto and "Mutants" in the MCU).

Sony don't have Ghost Rider anymore, they just have Spider-Man, though The Amazing Spider-Man series is set to run for at least 4 movies and 2 spin-offs (Venom & Sinister Six).
Spidey's rogues gallery of villains mostly originated in his own comic so I expect they all sit with Sony rights-wise. (No Osborne as Iron Patriot then )



Everyone else is in Marvel's hands, they can use them in the MCU on the big or small screen whenever they like , including now... Blade, Ghost Rider, Punisher, Elektra and Daredevil, who is getting a Netflix series as are Jessica Jones, Iron Fist and Luke Cage, all feeding into a Defenders miniseries.

 

[metaphysician]

Confusing right? Marvel has Blade and Ghost Rider back too. But then you have characters like Spider-Woman where unless your Sony or Marvel Studios no one knows for sure who has the movie rights.

I suspect that with some characters, even Marvel Studios doesn't actually *know* whether they have them or not. That is, the character fits into an ambiguous place, but isn't important enough to have Legal spend time reading contracts and making a judgement.

 

[metaphysician]

Fox has X-Men (and related properties such as Wolverine, X-Force, Deadpool)and Fantastic Four but gave up the rights to Daredevil (and by association Elektra).

Kingpin though was never part of the Daredevil deal, the rights to him are part of the Spider-man rights I think and Fox had to sort out some deal with Sony to use him in the Daredevil movie last time, so I don't know how it'd work in the MCU, probably he can appear but can't mention Spidey(...just as Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver can't mention Magneto and "Mutants" in the MCU).

Sony don't have Ghost Rider anymore, they just have Spider-Man, though The Amazing Spider-Man series is set to run for at least 4 movies and 2 spin-offs (Venom & Sinister Six).
Spidey's rogues gallery of villains mostly originated in his own comic so I expect they all sit with Sony rights-wise. (No Osborne as Iron Patriot then )



Everyone else is in Marvel's hands, they can use them in the MCU on the big or small screen whenever they like , including now... Blade, Ghost Rider, Punisher, Elektra and Daredevil, who is getting a Netflix series as are Jessica Jones, Iron Fist and Luke Cage, all feeding into a Defenders miniseries.

Except for Namor, who is rather inexplicable still at Universal. Unless Feige was wrong on the matter, which is possible I suppose.

 

[Shakel92]

My assumption is that they could use Jessica Drew, but not Spider Woman.

 

[metaphysician]

I tend to agree. Spider-Woman ( Drew version ) didn't debut in the Spider-man comic, has an origin unrelated to Spider-man, doesn't look like Spider-man, and doesn't really interact with Spider-man. Calling her a Spider-man character would be *really* stretching. However, The actual *name* "Spider-woman" would probably be actionable, since it creates the false impression she is connected to the rights Sony owns and has trademarked.

 

[Chance Jackson]

I tend to agree. Spider-Woman ( Drew version ) didn't debut in the Spider-man comic, has an origin unrelated to Spider-man, doesn't look like Spider-man, and doesn't really interact with Spider-man. Calling her a Spider-man character would be *really* stretching. However, The actual *name* "Spider-woman" would probably be actionable, since it creates the false impression she is connected to the rights Sony owns and has trademarked.

616 Jessica drew may not have debuted in a Spider-Man comic but the 1610/Ultimate Jessica Drew is a clone of 1610 Peter Parker and did debut in the Ultimate Spider-Man book making that optional-able I think, add the naming convention of "Spider-Woman" and the "science origin" and "spider powers" and I'd agree it would probably be actionable.

 

[dsfjr1190]

I'd rather Black Widow get her own Netflix series. It'd be a lot better than a 2 hour movie, in my opinion. More time to spend with Natasha and get to know her as a character.

 

[Shoppy]

I'd rather Black Widow get her own Netflix series. It'd be a lot better than a 2 hour movie, in my opinion. More time to spend with Natasha and get to know her as a character.

That's not going to happen unless they recast ..... Scarlett Johannsen is far too big an actress for a Netflix series.


The thing is, Black Widow is not to Marvel as Scarlett Johannsen is to Hollywood, Essentially BW has punched above her weight in being played by such a high profile, high paid, actress ... which realistically can't last because the MCU is getting to a point where it needs to be bringing other female heroes center stage for storytelling purposes and I don't see SJ sticking around for cameos when there's new roles on offer elsewhere.


Yes, it would be nice to give the suit more screentime t:

...but I don't think we'll see SJ in it after Avengers 2 unless they go with the traitor storyline from Ultimates