Blade Runner 2049 - Part 3

[TheVileOne]

It's funny that accusation got thrown out considering Villeneuve's politics and also...ARRIVAL.

It's like bad things can't happen to women or female characters in film or TV anymore because sexism feminism misogyny.

 

[Jack Napier]

How do you think studios determine what films get made? If over the next 5 years we get all the best films of all time and they all bomb, we’ll never get those kinds of films ever again and will be stuck with Transformers equivalents for the rest of time. Thanks for your logic mate

We are already stuck with Transformers equivalents for the rest of time. You can't measure the quality of films made after BR 2049 if it's a success vs. if it's not a success.

 

[jmc]

It's funny that accusation got thrown out considering Villeneuve's politics and also...ARRIVAL.

It's like bad things can't happen to women or female characters in film or TV anymore because sexism feminism misogyny.

I don't get this mentality myself.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I can only shake my head whenever I see Grace Randolph comment on anything. She's awful.

 

[I'm Old Greg]

 

[Lighthouse]

Greatest movie still of all time.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

It's funny that accusation got thrown out considering Villeneuve's politics and also...ARRIVAL.

It's like bad things can't happen to women or female characters in film or TV anymore because sexism feminism misogyny.

Just today's PC culture destroying yet another creative outlet. I read a Mel Brooks article the other day, and he was talking about how he couldn't imagine even TRYING to get Blazing Saddles made today and what kind of a **** storm it would cause.

 

[I'm Old Greg]

 

[zephyrinthesky]

I definitely haven't seen as many movies as most of you here, but I'd be hard-pressed to name a more gorgeous film than this. The subtle changes in transparancy for Joi was incredible, as was the scene

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with the Joi/Mariette amalgamation in K's apartment.

Probably could've been a little less drawn-out, but definitely around an 8 or 9 out of 10 movie for me.

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't get this mentality myself.

The sense that women have been so badly represented or misrepresented in previous film and TV shows that any attempt at showing some mistreatment of a woman in a story is like automatically branding it hateful, sexist and misogynist.

 

[kguillou]

I definitely haven't seen as many movies as most of you here, but I'd be hard-pressed to name a more gorgeous film than this. The subtle changes in transparancy for Joi was incredible, as was the scene

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with the Joi/Mariette amalgamation in K's apartment.

Probably could've been a little less drawn-out, but definitely around an 8 or 9 out of 10 movie for me.

What I appreciated about that scene was that it wasn't exploitative either when it very easily could have been.

 

[terry78]

Crazy old Harrison Ford memes, here we come.

 

[Frankeh]

I thought the female roles in the movie were pretty well balanced actually.

Also, what is it with Harrison Ford children causing so much trouble?

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Crazy old Harrison Ford memes, here we come.

Off topic, but one of the funniest Harrison Ford things I've ever seen was when David Blaine was in his house, performed is trick, ROYALLY freaked Ford out, and Ford took the knife he was cooking with and told him to get the **** out of his house and away from his family! I guess Ford was having "Give me back my family" movie flashbacks.

 

[Kane52630]

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CG Rachael was incredible.

http://kane52630.tumblr.com/post/166119869834/do-you-like-our-owl-its-artificial-of

 

[Laderlappen]

Bad things happen in movies and bad things happen to characters. That is the nature of film, there wouldn't be a story if bad things didn't happen. You can't demand gender diversity in film, demand female characters to be well written and expect they won't die or get hurt.

I loved the female characters in this. Luv was a badass and the MVP of the film imo. Also really liked Joi.

 

[Kane52630]

‘Blade Runner 2049’: Writer Says They Took Inspiration From The MCU
https://heroichollywood.com/blade-runner-2049-writer-mcu/

 

[Jack Napier]

‘Blade Runner 2049’: Writer Says They Took Inspiration From The MCU
https://heroichollywood.com/blade-runner-2049-writer-mcu/

If you ask me, Marvel does the opposite of that, sacrificing the greatness of the current product to put too much emphasis on The Next Thing. I can't say it doesn't work, because they've been incredibly successful, but not my thing.

 

[terry78]

I appreciate the work that goes into digital de-aging and what not as it gets better each time but I hope movies don't constantly do it over and over as it can start to lose its edge real quick.

 

[Brother Jack]

I personally really loved Joi.

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Joi as a whole AI companion thing is supposed to be objectified, yeah. But K's Joi wasn't that at all. They're two artificial beings trying to feel something in a very uncaring and brutal world, and Denis and Ana did a great job with her character. Just because she's a hologram doesn't make her any less of a character - she and her feelings are treated as real by the filmmakers and Ana.

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My reading of Joi actually went the other way. I didn't think that she was "real" at all, but rather just an avatar for K to project his inner thoughts and desires onto. That's why she feeds him the narrative about him being Deckard's child even though he never was. The moment near the end of the film when K sees Joi as a billboard hologram on the street is him realizing that Joi was illusory, that what he had felt might've been real but she was not. She could be doing the exact same things for a million other people; calling them Joe, being "everything they want to see, everything they want to hear".

I could be wrong, though. I do think K finds his humanity by the end, which you could argue is what makes his and Joi's love real. But I think that realization with the billboard is what spurs K to ultimately save Deckard. He sees the artifice in Joi, leading him to solidify his own humanity by denying his programming. The lesson is the same here as it was in the original with Roy. It's more human to save a life than it is to take it, even or especially if it's at the cost of your own.

 

[Mysteryman]

If you ask me, Marvel does the opposite of that, sacrificing the greatness of the current product to put too much emphasis on The Next Thing. I can't say it doesn't work, because they've been incredibly successful, but not my thing.

what are you talking about?

 

[Doctor Jones]

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My reading of Joi actually went the other way. I didn't think that she was "real" at all, but rather just an avatar for K to project his inner thoughts and desires onto. That's why she feeds him the narrative about him being Deckard's child even though he never was. The moment near the end of the film when K sees Joi as a billboard hologram on the street is him realizing that Joi was illusory, that what he had felt might've been real but she was not. She could be doing the exact same things for a million other people; calling them Joe, being "everything they want to see, everything they want to hear".

I could be wrong, though. I do think K finds his humanity by the end, which you could argue is what makes his and Joi's love real. But I think that realization with the billboard is what spurs K to ultimately save Deckard. He sees the artifice in Joi, leading him to solidify his own humanity by denying his programming. The lesson is the same here as it was in the original with Roy. It's more human to save a life than it is to take it, even or especially if it's at the cost of your own.

You pretty much have it right.

K and Joi's relationship in this movie was surprisingly beautiful. I thought she was gonna be another Replicant along for the ride but the fact we got a relationship between

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two types of artificial beings is ****ing fascinating.

And that sex scene was beautiful.

 

[Mysteryman]

It's funny that accusation got thrown out considering Villeneuve's politics and also...ARRIVAL.

It's like bad things can't happen to women or female characters in film or TV anymore because sexism feminism misogyny.[/QUOTE What was misogynistic about Arrival?

 

[Frankeh]

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My reading of Joi actually went the other way. I didn't think that she was "real" at all, but rather just an avatar for K to project his inner thoughts and desires onto. That's why she feeds him the narrative about him being Deckard's child even though he never was. The moment near the end of the film when K sees Joi as a billboard hologram on the street is him realizing that Joi was illusory, that what he had felt might've been real but she was not. She could be doing the exact same things for a million other people; calling them Joe, being "everything they want to see, everything they want to hear".

I could be wrong, though. I do think K finds his humanity by the end, which you could argue is what makes his and Joi's love real. But I think that realization with the billboard is what spurs K to ultimately save Deckard. He sees the artifice in Joi, leading him to solidify his own humanity by denying his programming. The lesson is the same here as it was in the original with Roy. It's more human to save a life than it is to take it, even or especially if it's at the cost of your own.

Agreed.

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Ultimately she was fulfilling her purpose, exactly like Samantha in Her where at the end Theodore finds out she's in love with thousands of other people.

 

[I'm Old Greg]

‘Blade Runner 2049’: Writer Says They Took Inspiration From The MCU
https://heroichollywood.com/blade-runner-2049-writer-mcu/

I thought screenwriter ripped off...took inspiration from STAR TREK Deep Space 9¿