Blu Ray vs. X-Box 360

Master Chief said:
haha yeah I've had a PS3 since launch and it's pretty much just my blu-ray player too. anyhow more and more things are available digitally so I wouldn't be surprised if physical formats become obsolete in the next couple decades, maybe even sooner.

btw blue is the upgrade from red. :o
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Umm...assuming we are talking about the same thing, but it appears that Red Ray > Blu Ray, although it seems Blu Ray disks are capable of carrying Red Ray format on them.

http://www.red.com/learn

This is a digital disk (and solid state) media player.

And despite the title of the post, it is not in direct competition with Blu-Ray. It's not a consumer format. It's not even a fancy disk format. It's just a solution to produce a compact high-definition digital-cinema player.

RedRay will do something that BluRay cannot. It will play movies at 4K from a box about the same size as a DVD drive - to a suitably equipped 4K digital projector.

By way of comparison. BluRay's image size is 1920 x 1080 pixels.
"2K" resolution is a bit higher than that. (Full Aperture Native 2K is defined as 2048x1556) Most experts think that a good cinema resolution is typically around 2K.

4K has twice that linear resolution. So we are talking about an image size of 12 mega-pixels versus BluRay's 2 mega-pixel image.

So a sensible question is: What's coming off the disk? RedRay uses a codec which has a high compression ratio. And apparently very few compression artifacts. In a recent demo. Red showed an audience a 4K showreel - and then revealed that the data-stream was just 10 megabits. Not much more that a standard def MPEG2 DVD. Although it can use much higher bit rates.
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Midnyte_Sun said:
Upconverted DVD vs Blu-Ray comparison

(Blade Runner)

brunnerdvd1.jpg


brunnerbluray1.jpg
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Just curious, did they go back to the master for the Blue Ray version of BR?
 
Master Chief said:
hahah holy crap, after reading the specs that'd be overkill for a home theater. :D
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Yeah, but like I said, from the limited amount i've read, there are several factors that don't make Red Ray that desirable.

Apparently one would need a massive tv/projection screen to really see maximum benefits from it 100" or so.

Plus from what it sounds like Blu Ray disks can carry Red Ray format.

And the different, while great, is like getting a car that drives 300mph versus 400mph. Does it really matter at that point?
 
DorkyFresh said:
go ahead and buy a HD-DVD player for your 360. that way whenever you decide to get a tv that can display 1080p and want the latest, greatest movies in HD you'll be stuck wondering why you didn't just buy a blu-ray player in the first place.
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Nobody is talking about HDDVD on X-Box.
 
BAH HUMBBUG! said:
That's the key though, to you, but it actually is still very much worth the cost and as stated below, often you can find deals on it through rebates and such.

I got mine almost two years ago, when they were more expensive than they are now and got a slim for $250.

I think Sony is still losing money on them, that or breaking even now.
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But that's the point. I'm not willing to drop the cost of a PS3 for what's going to amount to be a slightly upgraded picture. Especially not when I've found Blu Ray players from brands I trust for much less.

Unfortunately, the displays they have in Best Buy and stuff don't really help, because when they are showing Harry Potter demos or whatever, well I don't really watch the Harry Potter movies, so I can't really tell the difference.

I need someone to compare upconverted DVD and Blu Ray X-Men movies or something, movies that I watch on a regular basis and know like the back of my hand. Unfortunately, the one person I know with a Blu Ray player doesn't have those movies on Blu Ray.

Obviously the Blu Ray picture will be better, but the fact is, I am happy with the picture quality on my upconverted DVD's, and I'm debating whether or not the picture quality is a significant enough upgrade over what I have to justify the cost.

The key being that, I wasn't even sure about the justification of HD period, but once I got my HD TV and finally got HD for myself, well, now I know... now I know just how good HD is.
 
Nell2ThaIzzay said:
But that's the point. I'm not willing to drop the cost of a PS3 for what's going to amount to be a slightly upgraded picture. Especially not when I've found Blu Ray players from brands I trust for much less.

Unfortunately, the displays they have in Best Buy and stuff don't really help, because when they are showing Harry Potter demos or whatever, well I don't really watch the Harry Potter movies, so I can't really tell the difference.

I need someone to compare upconverted DVD and Blu Ray X-Men movies or something, movies that I watch on a regular basis and know like the back of my hand. Unfortunately, the one person I know with a Blu Ray player doesn't have those movies on Blu Ray.

Obviously the Blu Ray picture will be better, but the fact is, I am happy with the picture quality on my upconverted DVD's, and I'm debating whether or not the picture quality is a significant enough upgrade over what I have to justify the cost.

The key being that, I wasn't even sure about the justification of HD period, but once I got my HD TV and finally got HD for myself, well, now I know... now I know just how good HD is.
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It's A LOT more than just a Blu Ray player or a gaming system. But if you aren't sold on it, then at least get a solid BR player. For the love of cinephile Michael Bolton don't go with just standard 360 DVD tech, especially if you have an HDTV.

I don't know why you don't think it's that big of a difference when we're ALL, telling you that it is. It's night and day. It's the difference between driving a ford focus and a corvette. HUGE.

Read this....

http://reviews.cnet.com/best-blu-ray-players/?tag=revCatWrap

and this

http://reviews.cnet.com/home-video-reviews/?filter=1105350_111855_&tag=mncol;srt&sort=edRating7+desc

And if you're not going to get a PS3 at least, get a BR player that has Netflix streaming and ideally Hulu streaming built in as well. You don't even need tv anymore. Netflix streaming $7.99 + tax a month, Hulu+ $7.99 + tax a month. Total $14.98 + tax a month compared to tv, cable, satellite bills. $30-$100+ a month?

This really should be a no brainer here.
 
Well I guess the reason why I'm unsure about how much better it is is simply because what I've seen at Best Buy displays and stuff don't really look noticeably better. But then again, it goes back to what I said, they usually show movies that I'm not familiar with so I have no frame of reference. If I was able to see a movie that I'm really familiar with, such as one of the X-Men movies, or a Lord of the Rings or something to compare it with, then I'd have a much better frame of reference.

And yea, I know that PS3 is more of an entertainment system than just a gaming system / Blu Ray player, but I have the X-Box 360 which does all that stuff too.

As far as the players that I was looking at, I don't remember if it was all of them but I do remember that there were at least a few of them that did have the Netflix / Hulu etc...

I know the Vizio had it. I'm not sure if the Samsung or Sony ones did. If I do go Blu Ray, I'd like to go with one of those 2 brands because those are my 2 favorites electronics brands.
 
Nell2ThaIzzay said:
Well I guess the reason why I'm unsure about how much better it is is simply because what I've seen at Best Buy displays and stuff don't really look noticeably better. But then again, it goes back to what I said, they usually show movies that I'm not familiar with so I have no frame of reference. If I was able to see a movie that I'm really familiar with, such as one of the X-Men movies, or a Lord of the Rings or something to compare it with, then I'd have a much better frame of reference.

And yea, I know that PS3 is more of an entertainment system than just a gaming system / Blu Ray player, but I have the X-Box 360 which does all that stuff too.

As far as the players that I was looking at, I don't remember if it was all of them but I do remember that there were at least a few of them that did have the Netflix / Hulu etc...

I know the Vizio had it. I'm not sure if the Samsung or Sony ones did. If I do go Blu Ray, I'd like to go with one of those 2 brands because those are my 2 favorites electronics brands.
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Not to be rude or sound like a prick, but at the risk I might.

Don't base your electronic decision making based on brands you like, they should be based on considerations of value, reliability and quality. Not that Sony or Samsung aren't but that doesn't mean there may not be a better value and better quality electronic device from another company.

As for the comparison, honestly if you really need a side by side do one of two things, or both.

Google for them and the movies you want, easy enough to find.

Go to an actual home theater or tv location. Best Buy is a horrible place to get a true and good real expectation of what movies or your tv should or will actually look like. They turn the brightness all the way up so they are vivd and light up everything to attract people, but these are not the best settings to properly watch a movie.
 
Nell2ThaIzzay,

If you go to the store and can't see a real difference between Hi-Res Blu-Ray and upconverted DVD's then I would say don't even bother with Blu-Ray. You obviously can't see it then, and it's not worth even getting.

Besides, whenever a company finds a way of mimicking iTunes for Movies, you will be able to stream and upload Digital High Definition (blu-ray, or any other format) directly to your high definition TV, and you won't even need Blu-Ray either.
 
Midnyte_Sun said:
Nell2ThaIzzay,

If you go to the store and can't see a real difference between Hi-Res Blu-Ray and upconverted DVD's then I would say don't even bother with Blu-Ray. You obviously can't see it then, and it's not worth even getting.

Besides, whenever a company finds a way of mimicking iTunes for Movies, you will be able to stream and upload Digital High Definition (blu-ray, or any other format) directly to your high definition TV, and you won't even need Blu-Ray either.
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Well like I said it's normally because they are showing movies that I've never even seen before, so I don't know how they are supposed to look.

I just did my own test. My neighbor has a PS3. I asked him if I could borrow it for a couple hours, and I went and rented X-Men 3. I popped it in, and flipped through a bunch of the scenes, and was like "I can tell this looks really good, but how much better than the DVD?"

So afterwards I popped in the DVD, and instantly was able to see the difference.

That's been my definition with high def in general - on the front end I don't really notice the difference, but once I've experienced high def, it's hard to go back to standard def.

The upconverted DVD looks just fine, no doubts, and for most movies I probably won't even notice it. But for movies that I watch more than regularly, like the X-Men movies, I did notice a difference. I'll probably look at getting one of those $120 Blu Ray players.

And the reason why I trust Sony and Samsung so much is because I have had very good experiences with their products being of higher quality. That's why I gravitate towards those brands initially.
 
Nell,

I've had horrible experience with Samsung Blu-Ray players. I bought a 2nd and 3rd generation one and it froze on me quite a few times. I'd never go with Samsung for a Blu-Ray player. Next time I buy a Blu-Ray player, I'll stick with Sony.
 
really? Well the Sony one is the same price as the Samsung.

Is it true that non ps3 bluray players dont have the same visual quality?
 
The visual quality should be the same.

The only thing they probably lack is storage. The PS3 Blu-Ray can store and play all those BD-Live crap because of it's large hard drive and powerful processor. Plus the firmware is updated via the PS3.

Those stand alone players will either make you add storage (via USB stick), and/or buy a wireless adapter to get updates. Some of the newer ones have built in ones, so look out for those also.

My Samsung P.O.S. Blu-Ray player has a wireless adapter and a USB flash drive for storage and it takes FOREVER to go on BD-Live. It is also very laggy and locks up constantly. The newer the Blu-Ray , the harder it becomes for these stand alone players to take the data. Regardless, I'd go with Sony.
 
What storage are you talking about?

It won't effect just popping in a disc, will it?

I'm probably not going to buy Blu Rays mainly, just because the cost of them is so high. But if there's a movie that I would watch often enough, then I'd probably pick it up. Right now, my main focus would be picking up the X-Men movies, just because I literally watch them all the time. Them, along with some of my other all time favs are what I'd focus on for Blu Ray while anything else I'd probably just keep on DVD.
 
It sounds like you should just wait until blu-ray becomes the norm.
 
Nell2ThaIzzay said:
What storage are you talking about?

It won't effect just popping in a disc, will it?

I'm probably not going to buy Blu Rays mainly, just because the cost of them is so high. But if there's a movie that I would watch often enough, then I'd probably pick it up. Right now, my main focus would be picking up the X-Men movies, just because I literally watch them all the time. Them, along with some of my other all time favs are what I'd focus on for Blu Ray while anything else I'd probably just keep on DVD.
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Nell,

Blu-Ray players need a few GB of storage to download updates and BD-live content. They either download them via a wireless adapter (that may or may not come with your Blu-ray player).

When you put in a newer Blu-ray disc, some studios actually download new trailers to your TV before the movie loads. Others will have functional things like Chatting with the director while watching a movie, etc, and you can't do any of that unless you have an internet connection and a storage drive in your Blu-Ray player.

Not all Blu-Ray players come with storage or internet-ready capability. So when you shop for a Blu-Ray, if you want to use these online capabilities, you need to make sure they come bundled with it; otherwise, you will need to go buy their proprietary devices to make it work. The newer PS3's come bundled with all that crap already.
 
If you're really looking for high quality picture Oppo is supposed to make some of the best BR players out there

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-83/

But, it doesn't sound like you're a high def snob so just find one that seems to get over all great reviews that is within a price range you would like to stay in and buy that one.

I understand brand loyalty, but just because you've had success with one company in the past doesn't mean anything for the new item you're buying from them.

Especially if it's a completely new type of tech that you haven't owned before.
 
Midnyte_Sun said:
I wouldn't wait that long.
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Yeah, I read an article recently, either gizmodo or engadget anit seems DVDs are still holding very strong.

1. Due to the massive catalogues people are not so willing to give up all of that money spent.

2. They're incredibly cheap, player for $50 or less, brand new movies for $5-$10 for very good movies, not junk.
 
Well I lucked out. My brother had an extra Blu Ray player that he was willing to part with. I bought it off of him for $60.

It's perfect for what I'm looking for right now, and will more than tide me over until I'm a bit more certain on what I'm looking for, and can buy the whole package. The players I was looking at for $120 had all the internet bells and whistles. Right now, that's not a huge priority for me, but I can see how it would be eventually.

I've been vegging out today watching all the new extras on the X-Men BR's that aren't on the DVD's, and scanning through the movies to see the higher quality. Seeing it for myself, with movies that I'm used to, I definitely see the difference. And one of the biggest differences I've noticed was the sound. I don't even have the pimpest audio setup (I have an old Panasonic 5 speaker CD stereo hooked up to my TV) but I could definitely hear the improved sound quality.

So by the time it was all said and done, I got a player and 4 movies for the cost of what I would have spent on the player alone.
 
Nell2ThaIzzay said:
Well I lucked out. My brother had an extra Blu Ray player that he was willing to part with. I bought it off of him for $60.

It's perfect for what I'm looking for right now, and will more than tide me over until I'm a bit more certain on what I'm looking for, and can buy the whole package. The players I was looking at for $120 had all the internet bells and whistles. Right now, that's not a huge priority for me, but I can see how it would be eventually.

I've been vegging out today watching all the new extras on the X-Men BR's that aren't on the DVD's, and scanning through the movies to see the higher quality. Seeing it for myself, with movies that I'm used to, I definitely see the difference. And one of the biggest differences I've noticed was the sound. I don't even have the pimpest audio setup (I have an old Panasonic 5 speaker CD stereo hooked up to my TV) but I could definitely hear the improved sound quality.

So by the time it was all said and done, I got a player and 4 movies for the cost of what I would have spent on the player alone.
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Definitely, sound upgrade is huge. It can take a movie like, Fast And The Furious: Tokyo Drift from being a stupid lame movie to actually pretty entertaining with a nice system.
 
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