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[chamber-music]

I wonder if Sami Zayn will be called up soon since he has been wrestling a lot of house shows lately.

 

[Pink Ranger]

The Wrestling Thread has better abs than Dolph Ziggler

The Wrestling Thread is getting repackaged as a masked luchadore

The Wrestling Thread still isn't available in Canada!

 

[Dr. Evil]

The Wrestling Thread is a Bo-Liever

 

[Hunter Rider]

I'm not a fan of Elgin either, but I do feel bad for the guy - going to Japan is a huge goal for him so I can at least sympathize.

However, my problems with Elgin extend to a large portion of the indy scene. When the indy scene lost guys like Bryan Danielson, Nigel McGuinness & Austin Aries in short succession, there was a huge hole created that hasn't been filled. And by that, I don't just mean "stars" or talented guys. When those guys left the indies, they were some of the few still around on the indies who broke into the business in the early 2000s when ex-WWE/WCW/ECW performers were still working indy promotions regularly. Why is that important?

Because they were some of the last to work shows regularly with veterans of the 80s & 90s - guys who had been involved in the business during peak years, who knew how to work crowds & how to work 'smart.' Guys like Danielson, McGuinness & Aries had figured out how to do more with less - in stark contrast to the guys that followed them at the top of the card in ROH, like Roderick Strong, Davey Richards & Eddie Edwards.

If anything, I was hoping that Elgin would get a chance to travel to Japan so he'd be exposed to long-time veterans who could help reign him in some. Guys like Nagata, Suzuki, Makabe, Kojima, etc. Hopefully he'll get his chance someday though.

The thing is there are still guys like Corino and Nigel heavily involved with the promotion so that should help, and you can see in someone like Adam Cole that this style of never ending strike exchanges and high impact move sequence kick-outs that Richards in particular fostered is just an excuse for the less talented workers to basically con workrate marks, hell I'd even say Steen has shown how to work a more varied style than Elgin knows how to.

The problem in my view is simply down to the individuals, guys who think the 90's AJPW style is the be all and end all of pro wrestling, yet they lack any of the psychological aspects of selling and build up that Kobashi, Misawa, Kawada and co would implement as they structured those matches to the big, crazy spot finishing sequences.

I honestly don't think Elgin has anything to make him a star, he's poor on the mic, he has no charisma, he's a one note worker and he's too small to be a true powerhouse but too big to be the underdog. However all the guys working his style could learn a lot from guys like Cole and Hero on how to have much smarter and more varied matches within ROH.

 

[runawayboulder]

Yahoo had an article on the WWE's financial woes:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/the-t...es---750-million-in-two-months-130951096.html

The 750M loss is news to me.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Yahoo had an article on the WWE's financial woes:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/the-t...es---750-million-in-two-months-130951096.html

The 750M loss is news to me.

I have an idea of how Vince can make his money back.

Lifesized Diva Brawlin' Buddies. From what I can tell, the Paige model can generate $750 million just from the posters on this thread.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

So let me get this straight: PAC is defending the NXT Championship against Tyson Kidd, who I think is the most underrated guy in WWE, Nattie Neidhart vs. Flair's daughter for the Women's Title, Generico is taking on Tyler Breeze, AND Samuray Del Sol has a match tonight?


I might just check out NXT Takeover.

 

[chamber-music]

Tyson Kidd is good in the ring but lacks charisma.

 

[H.U.S.T.L.E.]

The thing is there are still guys like Corino and Nigel heavily involved with the promotion so that should help, and you can see in someone like Adam Cole that this style of never ending strike exchanges and high impact move sequence kick-outs that Richards in particular fostered is just an excuse for the less talented workers to basically con workrate marks, hell I'd even say Steen has shown how to work a more varied style than Elgin knows how to.

While I do think that having guys like Corino & Nigel around helps, I tend to think there's a big difference between someone giving you advice backstage versus deferring to the veteran in the ring (where there's FAR more reason to listen, especially if it's called in the ring). We've heard similar things about younger talents backstage in WWE, where their agents include guys like Dean Malenko & Arn Anderson among others. I'll address the Cole/Steen comparisons in a little bit.

The problem in my view is simply down to the individuals, guys who think the 90's AJPW style is the be all and end all of pro wrestling, yet they lack any of the psychological aspects of selling and build up that Kobashi, Misawa, Kawada and co would implement as they structured those matches to the big, crazy spot finishing sequences.

Yes, I agree that this is a huge problem. As you mentioned earlier, guys like Richards & Edwards perpetuated this in ROH to a ridiculous degree. I remember people getting all worked up about the Richards/Elgin match from Wrestlemania weekend in Miami... man, I watched the first 7 minutes or so of that thing & turned it off. Just couldn't do it cause there was so little structure to that match.

I honestly don't think Elgin has anything to make him a star, he's poor on the mic, he has no charisma, he's a one note worker and he's too small to be a true powerhouse but too big to be the underdog. However all the guys working his style could learn a lot from guys like Cole and Hero on how to have much smarter and more varied matches within ROH.

Hmm... I don't like to write anybody off, but I certainly feel that Elgin has stuck to doing the same thing for too long. Even when he was with Truth Martini, he was still the silent wrecking machine. I'm just not sure that Elgin has found his niche as a character - maybe I'm wrong & he's not ever going to amount to anything, but I would love to see him try something different. Adam Cole as a white meat babyface was fine for his entry into ROH, but his heel run on the indies has been really fun and given him new life. Cole & Steen have progressed their characters throughout their careers, whereas I haven't seen that from Elgin. Is it because he's incapable? Maybe... but we haven't seen a drastic shift in anything he's ever done. So I'd venture to say that he's staying in his comfort zone, but he absolutely should try something fresh at this point.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

 

[Dr. Evil]

Tyson Kidd is good in the ring but lacks charisma.

He was also in season one of Total Divas, totally oblivious to Natalya wearing lingerie.

 

[TX85]

Looking forward to NXT Takeover

 

[TheNextNolan22]

So I hear CM Punk is retired. I have no ill feelings towards Punk. I would have loved to see him do some sort of goodbye in ROH seeing as Best In The World is in a few weeks and on live PPV for the first time ever, but a man could dream right? Enjoy your life brother. You've earned it.

 

[sweetre15]

- Triple H held a Twitter Q&A this afternoon to promote tonight's NXT Takeover event on the WWE Network. Below are some highlights:

Which match is he most excited for tonight?

"has to be split between Kidd/Neville and Charlotte/Natalya. Zayn/Breeze isn't far behind."

Who is the mega-star to look out for in NXT?

"NXT Champion Adrian Neville, Sami Zayn, Baron Corbin and Alexa Bliss"

Who has been the best example that the NXT system works?

"look no further than Bray Wyatt"

Which Takeover star will be a future WWE Champion?

"they will all be prepared for it. Right now? Adrian Neville."

When will we see Sami Zayn and Adrian Neville on the main roster? They are two of the best young talents right now.

"they absolutely are. When the time is right. The goal is to make sure everyone is prepared on EVERY level."

Which NXT star do you hope to face one day?

"I hope none of them! But if I had to pick one to work with today? @iLikeSamiZayn"

Do you see NXT as a developmental system or more of a brand?

"it's both. It's clearly it's own brand but is definitely a launching pad to Raw, Smackdown, and WWE main roster."

Are you a lemon or a Rosebud?

"that depends on the day!"

Are you concerned that people might work on NXT but fail to transition onto the main roster?

"always a concern, we give them the tools but Success or failure depends on the talent. If it was easy, anyone could do it."

Is Full Sail University going to be the main location for NXT or are there any plans to take it elsewhere?

"Full Sail is an amazing partnership, we're thrilled with it. We hope that Full Sail remains NXT's home for years to come."

What do you think is the biggest key to success these athletes need to learn in the business?

"Confidence in the ability to let go and not just pretend to be something - but to actually be something."

If NXT was around when you came to WWE would you have wanted to gone through that or straight to the big time?

"the journey that my generation had is different than this one has. NXT and the PC were designed to give them everything they need."

Is there anyone on the NXT roster that you would compare to yourself?

"Lot of talent based on hunger to succeed and their passion."


Read more at http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news...-highlights-nxt-takeover/#BPX8ORRyS6JB03S4.99

 

[H.U.S.T.L.E.]

Are you concerned that people might work on NXT but fail to transition onto the main roster?

"always a concern, we give them the tools but Success or failure depends on the talent. If it was easy, anyone could do it."

Hmmmm. I'd argue that they haven't set up people like Big E, Emma, Adam Rose or Paige for success based on their booking, but what do I know? I'm just a mark anyway...

 

[Pink Ranger]

He was also in season one of Total Divas, totally oblivious to Natalya wearing lingerie.

To be fair, he was on the road and away from his game system for quite a while. I mean, a man's got needs, am I right?

 

[TheNextNolan22]

If only...

 

[zeroapoc]

I have an idea of how Vince can make his money back.

Lifesized Diva Brawlin' Buddies. From what I can tell, the Paige model can generate $750 million just from the posters on this thread.

I'm sold. t:

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Legendary.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

 

[Darkness Falls]

nxt takeover is gonna be good

 

[sweetre15]

Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter

Batista is expected to leave TV for some time after Payback and the following night's RAW.

Batista wanted to put over Roman Reigns before he left. The only chance he would have to do that in a singles match will be RAW on Monday.

 

[TheNextNolan22]