Comics BND - Update? Mephisto kept his word?

[VuMania]

OK, I have no idea about what's going on in the Spidey Universe so someone update me:

Pete made a deal with Mephisto to save his Aunt May and the expense of his marriage...and Mephisto kept his word?

No Aunt May suddenly collapsing, going into cardiac arrest and dying?

No Peter regaining his memory (he being the only one in the Marvel Universe) and realizing his lost his soul mate? (sorry Gwen Stacey fans)

No Mephisto torturing Pete with some hidden clause in the agreement?

I'm no fan of BND, but it seems like that there are a host of untapped story lines that Spidey Writers are missing/ignoring.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Actually they don't even acknowledge the Mephisto part of it as far as I've heard...

 

[imdaly]

No Mephisto torturing Pete with some hidden clause in the agreement?

I'm thinking the whole return of Harry Osborn is Mephisto's hidden clause.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

No Mephisto torturing Pete with some hidden clause in the agreement?
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No. The only ones being tortured are the fans. t:

 

[Silverstein]

Am I the only one who still wants to punch Joephisto in the face? This is seriously unforgivable, I think Bendis should have Joe Q's job.

 

[Themanofbat]

Mephisto is getting his kicks from the torment that the subconcious part of both souls that remember what once was...

With every passing issue since, Mephisto has been laughing...

 

[Silverstein]

Is that official? So they do remember? Aunt May should die and then have MJ come back.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

No. The only ones being tortured are the fans. t:

Ha! Good point, lol.

 

[Themanofbat]

Is that official? So they do remember? Aunt May should die and then have MJ come back.

It's what he said in OMD... a small part of their subconcious will remember this great love that they once shared, and he'll laugh every moment that their soul yells out silent screams...

The key word being "subconcious"... meaning they don't remember.

 

[USMC]

That's convenient.

 

[arachnid-guy]

Yah...serious epic story potential is left untapped. I'd like OMD [well, sort of] if it was part of a 'larger' story arc rather than just an agenda and only 'means to an end'.

I'd love a Parker/Mephisto final confrontation that at least references the past continuity.

Peter NEEDS his memory back.

 

[Themanofbat]

That's convenient.

I never said it was perfect...

 

[farmernudie]

People come back fromthe "dead" all the time in the Marvel Universe, so that in no way is something special due to a deal with the devil here.

They are missing lots of stories here, by not following up on this new world created by Pete and the Devil.

BUt, it was a quick reboot, not a story to be logically followed up on or follow thru with new logical storys that deal with the DEAL. Instead, we've got hip 70's stories, again.

If they were brave, they'd deal with the torment Pete feels when he looks at a girl, because deep down his soul still remembers he is MARRIED, like they said, but they would be hush hush...because they do not want us to think about MJ...outta site, outta mind...never married.

If they wanted a bold new sotry idea never done before..have Aunt May find out she owes her life to the devil, and the hatred she'd feel towards Pete, and that would be a relationship between the two of them never explored before! NEver! THAT WOULD BE NEW.

Or...have PEte's life go downt he tubes in every way possible..showing how deals with the devil NEVER work.

But that is that ULTIMATE PROBLEM here with this reboot...it was merely a means to an end to reboot the world. It wasn't meant to bring new stories or any logical follow thru. Joe didn't want the marriage..so poof! The end. Happy New Day. Let's forget about the devil deal, smile, and pretend it's all the same and nothing ever happened...

 

[arachnid-guy]

Man...that'd be a good story. And from the depths of that depression, have Parker come out of it a stronger person...not a manchild all his life. That's progression and a REAL show of Peter's character.

A TRUE definition of what Spider-Man stands for and who he is.

There's always a storm before the calm.

 

[farmernudie]

It'd be interesting to see Aunt MAy completely DETEST and hate Peter for the first time ever (after finding out she owes her life to the devil), and watch Pete deal with that, and try to win her back...and the slow road ahead, and the depths of depression he'd go thru. THAT would be a NEW dynamic and a Brand New Day "STORY".

 

[Donald Thomas]

Aloha,
I've been holding my self back on this for some time so hear goes. First, ALL spidey fans MUST go back and read Amazing Spider-Man

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Then if you can get your hands on a copy Mephisto vs(X-Men,FF,X force and Avengers. There you'll see that Mephisto has ALWAYS had his eyes on super heroes.The purer the soul the better(Thor was looked upon a great prize)(Peter Parker 's right up there.) Then you need to read Cloak and Dagger #14-18.
After reading all of those, several things will be made clear. One-In order to sell your soul to Mephisto you have to sign a contract. In Secret Wars II issue #7, Mephisto tricked Thing into signing a contract. It was nullified at the end of that same issue because it was a trick.Neither Peter nor MJ signed any deal with Mephisto.The Beyonder used Spider-MAn to be his champion against Mephisto's champion. Spidey won. Mephisto obviously, hates Spidey because of that. He can't do but so much to Spidey because the Beyonder will kick his butt.That's why he made the kind of quid pro quo deal with Spidey. Your marriage for the changing of the events that lead up to the impending death of Aunt MAy. If Aunt MAy were not at deaths door as a result of the sniper, then the geniuses of the MU or Dr. Strange could have saved her. So a silly centimeter change in that bullet is all Mephisto had to do to change that event. Back in Black still happened.Spidey,Ghost Rider and C and D, beat Mephisto's plans at world domination through a Supremecist group in C and D 14 -18, so again, there is a logical reason why Mephisto has had it out for Spidey.As far as continuity, Marvel must answer for every change that we can think of but, as far as the marriage. All Mephisto had to do was have MJ continue to turn down Peter's marriage proposal because she knew he was Spider-Man and she didn't want that type of marriage. Similar to a woman not wanting to marry a policeman, fireman or soldier.They could have still lived together and did all of the things that they did, just not as a married couple(honeymoon in Paris not included)Any one who reads the comics I mentioned, will have to have a different perspective of OMD. I know up until I read them, I hated OMD.Afterwards, I'm angry at Marvel for not giving the fans enough back story regarding Mephisto and Spidey like they did for Secret Invasion.
Spidey rules

 

[Donald Thomas]

Aloha,
I could only put up 7 images on a thread.
Here are the issues with Cloak and Dagger and Spidey.

Spidey rules

 

[Themanofbat]

It'd be interesting to see Aunt MAy completely DETEST and hate Peter for the first time ever (after finding out she owes her life to the devil), and watch Pete deal with that, and try to win her back...and the slow road ahead, and the depths of depression he'd go thru. THAT would be a NEW dynamic and a Brand New Day "STORY".

The sequal to this story would feature farmie and Aunt May dating...

t: t: t:

 

[Styleshift]

Yup, Mephisto kept his word....and he even threw in a free pack of moisturizer cream to boot.

 

[Styleshift]

All Mephisto had to do was have MJ continue to turn down Peter's marriage proposal because she knew he was Spider-Man and she didn't want that type of marriage. Similar to a woman not wanting to marry a policeman, fireman or soldier.They could have still lived together and did all of the things that they did, just not as a married couple(honeymoon in Paris not included)Any one who reads the comics I mentioned, will have to have a different perspective of OMD. I know up until I read them, I hated OMD.Afterwards, I'm angry at Marvel for not giving the fans enough back story regarding Mephisto and Spidey like they did for Secret Invasion.
Spidey rules

Great theory on the situation.
Although I have to ask: If Mary Jane rejected all of Peter's proposal's wouldn't that mean she would have made plenty of more different choices throughout the time they were dating as well? She's looking at the whole relationship "differently" to begin with. Why would everything else be exactly the same?

I try to wrap this around my head so many times and it's not working. I give Marvel the benefit of a doubt because they have so many other hot books out there right now, I'm thinking they should know what to do with Spidey. There doing well for everyone else, right? but the thing is I don't like to go to interviews to "reassure" myself about a character I've followed since I was a kid. I want everything to be right there on the page when I buy it.

They can't go back and make "minor" alterations without it affecting more situations UNLESS it happened in the background and was just now being brought to the fore front. Had Mary Jane and Peter "signed fake marriage license by Norman Osborn". That would have worked as a retcon better than saying "it never happened because of magic".

That way they could have moved forward with a single Spidey "without" all this OMD nonsense. sure fans would be disgusted because Norman is overused as a mastermind. But no one would be complaining about how it hurts continuity.

These two characters thought they were married. But they really aren't. That's very plausible.

 

[Donald Thomas]

Great theory on the situation.
Although I have to ask: If Mary Jane rejected all of Peter's proposal's wouldn't that mean she would have made plenty of more different choices throughout the time they were dating as well? She's looking at the whole relationship "differently" to begin with. Why would everything else be exactly the same?

I try to wrap this around my head so many times and it's not working. I give Marvel the benefit of a doubt because they have so many other hot books out there right now, I'm thinking they should know what to do with Spidey. There doing well for everyone else, right? but the thing is I don't like to go to interviews to "reassure" myself about a character I've followed since I was a kid. I want everything to be right there on the page when I buy it.

They can't go back and make "minor" alterations without it affecting more situations UNLESS it happened in the background and was just now being brought to the fore front. Had Mary Jane and Peter "signed fake marriage license by Norman Osborn". That would have worked as a retcon better than saying "it never happened because of magic".

That way they could have moved forward with a single Spidey "without" all this OMD nonsense. sure fans would be disgusted because Norman is overused as a mastermind. But no one would be complaining about how it hurts continuity.

These two characters thought they were married. But they really aren't. That's very plausible.

Aloha,
Hey, don't ask me to do Marvel's work for them. I'm just one little fan trying to make sense out of all of this. MJ could have LIVED with Peter but just never wanted to get married. I know plenty of folks like that. They've been together for years, just not officially married. Marvel plans on teasing us as well as simply DRAGGING these explanations out for as long as possible. I can see that. I understand that some one shots coming out next year will answer some questions we all have. Why doesn't everyone remember Peter Unmasking? What did MJ whisper in Mephisto's ear? When did Peter lose his organic webbing? What other super being had a part in all of this( Beyonder maybe?) Stay tuned til next week-same spider time, same spider channel.
Spidey rules with more questions than answers

 

[Styleshift]

Aloha,
Hey, don't ask me to do Marvel's work for them. I'm just one little fan trying to make sense out of all of this. MJ could have LIVED with Peter but just never wanted to get married. I know plenty of folks like that. They've been together for years, just not officially married. Marvel plans on teasing us as well as simply DRAGGING these explanations out for as long as possible. I can see that. I understand that some one shots coming out next year will answer some questions we all have. Why doesn't everyone remember Peter Unmasking? What did MJ whisper in Mephisto's ear? When did Peter lose his organic webbing? What other super being had a part in all of this( Beyonder maybe?) Stay tuned til next week-same spider time, same spider channel.
Spidey rules with more questions than answers

If they've done anything right with Brand New Day, It's
1. Peter lost his Stingers t: (TOTALLY wrong for the character.)
2. Peter lost the organic webs. (he's a man of science. plus running out of webs when done properly adds suspense.)

I've never liked the idea of giving an old hero, new abilities. But I am a huge fan of when that hero explores those old abilities to learn new tricks. Using his or her mind and not just brawn.

That's why I think Stan Lee has done a wonderful job choosing Spidey's powers.
What they need to do now is have Peter study his powers and figure out how to use them in more creative ways.

Besides...Everyone else in the M.U. does it.

 

[Donald Thomas]

If they've done anything right with Brand New Day, It's
1. Peter lost his Stingers t: (TOTALLY wrong for the character.)
2. Peter lost the organic webs. (he's a man of science. plus running out of webs when done properly adds suspense.)

I've never liked the idea of giving an old hero, new abilities. But I am a huge fan of when that hero explores those old abilities to learn new tricks. Using his or her mind and not just brawn.

That's why I think Stan Lee has done a wonderful job choosing Spidey's powers.
What they need to do now is have Peter study his powers and figure out how to use them in more creative ways.

Besides...Everyone else in the M.U. does it.

Aloha,
Couldn't agree more. I was happy when Peter was working with Tony Stark regarding his powers. The extent of Spider-Man's powers is a concept that has yet to be fully explored after more than 40 years.
Spidey rules

 

[arachnid-guy]

I grew up with the Shooters and...well, I still think Organics are better. As unrealistic as the MU is...the thought of a 15 year old, no matter HOW smart he is, and who has limited resources at his disposal....could come up with a successful web formula in a couple of days. Something that LEADING scientists in the field can't do.

Although, Ive heard something about when the spider bit him, it transferred an innate knowledge of how to 'create' webs, into Peter- which enabled him to make it.

That, I would not mind as much.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

^^^^ That transfer of knowledge was an add on years after the fact. In the first 30 or so issue's Spidey was always inventing stuff to beat his enemies. I've always wondered why they dropped that.

JMS brought some of it back and it has been here and there with other writers but it has neevr been consistent.