BOF Opinion about Batman's involvment in the Justice League movie

[raybia]

http://www.batman-on-film.com/no_batman_in_JLA-movie_jett.html



I agree with him about Batman but not about Superman and WW.

 

[Batman the 6th]

I'd like to see the movie, but not until the other franchises are done with. Then again, people may be ticked that Bats, Supes, and WW aren't in it. I frankly wouldn't mind seeing a TV show about it. Also, they could have Supes, Bats and WW in the end without any lines, just seeing how their League has been.

 

[Dr. Fate]

http://www.batman-on-film.com/no_batman_in_JLA-movie_jett.html



I agree with him about Batman but not about Superman and WW.

Same here.

 

[Sun_Down]

Dumbest thing I've ever read.

 

[raybia]

Dumbest thing I've ever read.

Which part? If the whole think then why? The Batman part has a certain logic but I disagree with Superman and WW.

Why in the hell would I want to see this movie if it didn't have Superman?

 

[Sun_Down]

Which part? If the whole think then why? The Batman part has a certain logic but I disagree with Superman and WW.

Why in the hell would I want to see this movie if it didn't have Superman?

Everything about it was ludacris. He never makes one valid point. He says that Batman in the JL wouldn't translate onto the big screen. Then he offers no reasoning for why it wouldn't. IMO, the dynamic of Superman (power incarnate) and Batman (brains over brawn) is one of the best things about the Justice League. And that tension would be fantastic on screen.

And I’ll tell you another thing that won’t work: having a Batman in THE JUSTICE LEAGUE that isn’t the Batman of BATMAN BEGINS and THE DARK KNIGHT!

Right here he assumes that the JL movie will somehow be out of continuity (no evidence, again) with BB and TDK and confuse people. Once again, he's just pulling complaints out of his ass that don't make sense. Why assume that it will be "a different Batman"? Yes, it might be a different actor, but all they need to do is make the tiniest allusion to the events of BB or TDK and you're in continuity.

And I think we can all agree that a JL movie without Superman would be kinda pointless, so I won't go into why that was such a stupid idea.

Add it all up, carry the one and don't forget about your significant figures and that article = the dumbest thing I've ever read.

 

[raybia]

Everything about it was ludacris. He never makes one valid point. He says that Batman in the JL wouldn't translate onto the big screen. Then he offers no reasoning for why it wouldn't. IMO, the dynamic of Superman (power incarnate) and Batman (brains over brawn) is one of the best things about the Justice League. And that tension would be fantastic on screen.


Right here he assumes that the JL movie will somehow be out of continuity (no evidence, again) with BB and TDK and confuse people. Once again, he's just pulling complaints out of his ass that don't make sense. Why assume that it will be "a different Batman"? Yes, it might be a different actor, but all they need to do is make the tiniest allusion to the events of BB or TDK and you're in continuity.

And I think we can all agree that a JL movie without Superman would be kinda pointless, so I won't go into why that was such a stupid idea.

Add it all up, carry the one and don't forget about your significant figures and that article = the dumbest thing I've ever read.

You make good points. And can also understand some of the points that Jett made, but I do agree that Jett was ranting. Clearly he is closed minded to the idea and doesn't even want WB to risk using Batman because of the potential it could harm the Batman franchise.

I on the other hand believe that while it would be very difficult to nail, with the right person writing and directing its possible to get it right...IF WB IS COMMITTED TO IT.

Here is some great advice on how this movie can work.


http://www.filmfodder.com/comics/archives/2007/02/comic_dork_provides_unsolicite.shtml

 

[Katsuro]

Screw him. Seriously. Batman is a part of the Justice League, and that's that. Jett lacks imagination.

 

[Warhammer]

Batman needs to be in it.
The Big 3 must all be in the movie.

 

[04nbod]

that was just one long rant. we have only just heard about the project lets give it a chance.

 

[mclay18]

I'd wish Jett could open his mind to the possibility that if the script is good, it'll be worth checking out. I like the idea of separate movies for Batman, Superman, WW, The Flash, GL and so forth, but as people know, the other superheroes aren't as well-known as the big 3.

 

[Katsuro]

Justice League just doesn't feel right for introducing all these other characters. Wonder Woman, Flash, and Green Lantern all deserve to debut in their own films before being in a Justice League film. Especially Green Lantern, who's generally unknown to the public.

 

[DeFett]

I agree with Jett ...but I don't think this thing is going to be Live action.

 

[Mister J]

I don't agree with Jett at all. Batman's role in the Justice League can be translated on film as easily as it is in the books and animated shows. This 'an older, more sophisticated audience wouldn't buy it' stuff is BS. The audience will buy whatever is laid on screen as long as it's executed well. I've always enjoyed the contrast of Batman compared to the superpowered Leaguers. It helps to drive home the point that the JLA is way more than a collection of powerful heroes. It's about an ideal and it's certainly possible to get a script that illustrates that and shows why Bats can stand with the heavy hitters ...like it's been done in other mediums. The Big 3 would need to be in this movie.

Besides, a Justice League vehicle without the Trinity reminds me of that Ares-forsaken JLA pilot on CBS.

 

[Batman the 6th]

I feel dumb asking, but I have asked other users on this board and on Kryptonsite. The original seven are as follows: Supes, Bats, WW, Aquaman, Green Arrow, Flash and MM. I have also heard that Black Canary was also a founding member at one point. I can see the BB Batman joining a group of heroes to help the world. The twelve that were shown in the picture of one of the articles above(which included Captain Marvel, Green Lantern, Hawkman and Hawkwoman/Hawkgirl) could work.

 

[DarkSuperman]

That was just STUPID. Wont translate well on screen huh? If thats the case then why bother with making super hero films in the first place?

Smallville just had a low-budget JLA inspired Episode called "Justice" and it was the best one they ever did. Having all those capable Super People working together to take on some really cool super villain is just incredible. People are ready for something different, we've seen Batman and Superman Solo for YEARS now. Its time these 2 hooked up on the big screen to bring Justice and put foot to ass on some Space Aliens and World Wide threats.

The very notion that batman being in the film is a bad Idea is rediculous! Its like saying "A double scoop of my favorite ice cream with all the toppings I like is TOO much. Why don't I throw this scoop in the trash?" How many times in our Lifetimes will we ever be lucky enough to have them attempt something like this? The very notion is amazing.

I for one hope they do make this film, that the writer makes gold and that they hire Spielberg or Cameron to direct the hell outta this picture.

JUSTICE FOR ALL!

 

[The Guard]

Since I know he reads these boards (and Jett, feel free to use this as a talkback/response if you want)

Jett,

Not everything is all about Batman. What's Warner Brothers thinking? I don't know, maybe they're thinking about capitalizing on an absolutely beloved and fantastic concept: The Justice League. You know, in a similar manner to the way they capitalized on the concept of Batman with BATMAN BEGINS? You imply that it's about money. Well, that seems to be partially true. In this instance, it seems to be about effieciency, and about saving money. Since WB is a business, I see nothing wrong with that. A Justice League film could spur interest in characters like Green Lantern, J'onn J'onnz, and even Aquaman.

You decry a live-action Justice League film as a bad idea. Why? Simply because you fear Batman will be included (and somehow tainted)? Whoa. Let's back up. Batman's a great character, but he's hardly the only great character the DC Comics Universe has to offer. JUSTICE LEAGUE could easily be fantastic, even without Batman or Superman involved. However, their addition would only make the film that much better. Consider this: Batman's been a "member" of the Justice League in some capacity for a long time. He's still Batman. He's no lighter, or funnier than he is at a given time, he's still Batman...just interacting with other heroes. Much like he's Batman interacting with other villains when he runs into The Scarecrow, or Ra's Al Ghul. Or The Joker. What are you afraid of? That Batman will have some humor? That might be an issue, if we were pretending that there was none in BATMAN BEGINS, and that there will be none in THE DARK KNIGHT or it's sequel. Or maybe you're afraid that Batman will leave the shadows for whatever reason. Jett, just because Batman might be involved in a JUSTICE LEAGUE film doesn't mean he would change his methods of operation as a character.

You say it wouldn't "translate". Fair enough. But at some point, you're going to have to explain to me why. Explain why Batman interacting with larger-than-life characters in a JUSTICE LEAGUE movie wouldn't work in live action...when Batman interacting with larger-than-life characters in BATMAN BEGINS, or any other version of the character...clearly does. You took a shot at the animated series portrayal of Batman (which, btw, is not as heavily geared to a younger demographic as you might believe). Are you basing all this on that one rendition of Batman? I wonder if you've ever read a Justice League comic, with this... paranoia...and this outright refusal to accept Batman intersecting with the Justice League concept. Because I've been an enormous fan of pretty much anything DC for years, and let me tell you: Batman is only ENRICHED by being involved with the Justice League. He is given another layer, and there are so, so, so many possibilities with him and the League. Read anything Grant Morrison wrote during his run on JLA. Read TOWER OF BABEL. Read some of the better parts of INFINITE CRISIS. Hell, read KINGDOM COME where Superman begs Bruce for help, Bruce refuses to help, and then later realizes his error and becomes integral to the story. Great moments, and great stuff. Batman doesn't lose anything when he hangs around with the JLA. He gains. Both humanity and his darker nature are only magnified, and the effect is usually very welcome.

Can I envision Christian Bale's Batman tooling around with Superman, Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern? No, not in so many words. What I can envision is him being a part of the story, taking part in the scenario, and stepping in when he's needed, doing his part to make the world a safer place, and fighting evil with his own methods and talents. My question is: Why can't you? Batman's the World's Greatest Detective. So he'd be the League's detective. Batman's a stealthy guy: So he could be the League's stealthy guy. His friendship with Superman and his various responsibilities (to Gotham City, to his friend, to the world) could be explored. Batman, Superman, and J'onn J'onnz have all lost someone dear to them. Batman and J'onn are loners with a compassionate side. Batman and Flash in the same scene? Contrast makes for good character interaction and drama. Do you really not see the possibilities?

Now, do we absolutely need Batman to be involved for JUSTICE LEAGUE to succeed? Probably not, but pooh-poohing it just because he "doesn't fit in that realm" is absurd. Batman IS a part of Justice League lore, whether you like it or not. He's been absolutely integral to the League for decades. Rather than kicking and screaming about the possibility of this "uber-realistic" hero leaving his "uber-realistic" world, you should be offering some slightly more constructive criticism, and attempting to influence how Batman appears in JUSTICE LEAGUE, if he does. The whole "keep Superman and Wonder Woman out of it" thing just smacks as a kneejerk reaction to an issue. They, too, are integral to Justice League lore over the years. They too, have much to offer the concept. And no one said JUSTICE LEAGUE will happen anytime soon. You know how long it takes these projects to gear up. I would think that's just common sense.

Any halfway intelligent average joe I've met has realized that BATMAN BEGINS is not connected to the previous Batman films of a decade previous. Most people I've encountered barely remember the details of those films anyway. For whatever reason, you seem to be afraid that WB will sacrifice the new Batman franchise for a single JUSTICE LEAGUE film. I guess that means you fear we won't see a third Batman film. But unless THE DARK KNIGHT flops, that seems like an unrealistic worry. So what's the real issue?

 

[DarkSuperman]

Since I know he reads these boards (and
Any halfway intelligent average joe I've met has realized that BATMAN BEGINS is not connected to the previous Batman films of a decade previous. Most people I've encountered barely remember the details of those films anyway. For whatever reason, you seem to be afraid that WB will sacrifice the new Batman franchise for a single JUSTICE LEAGUE film. I guess that means you fear we won't see a third Batman film. But unless THE DARK KNIGHT flops, that seems like an unrealistic worry. So what's the real issue?

I whole heartedly Agreee. Preach on! Can I get an Amen!

LOL...

 

[Damiean Dark]

Id much rather see a movie version of The Authority.

 

[The Guard]

Or if not that...both.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Great post, Guard.

I'm as protective over Batman as it gets, and the Begins series is my baby. I would never want anything to harm it. t:

But the potential for utter amazingness that a Justice League movie offers is just too enticing to disregard with such quick and extreme prejudice.

Especially at this point. It's such a tiny atom of an idea at this stage - it all rests on the shoulders of how (if at all) it's approached.

The right director. The right writers.

 

[kpjoon]

Love ya JETT, but I got to admit, you've been owned.

Anyways...

John Williams for composer

so cliche but it could work very well.

 

[echostation]

the reason why this film may not work is the writers they've hired? I mean who the hell are these two writers??

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Justice League just doesn't feel right for introducing all these other characters. Wonder Woman, Flash, and Green Lantern all deserve to debut in their own films before being in a Justice League film. Especially Green Lantern, who's generally unknown to the public.

Jett brings up something:

Cripe's most of those Marvel movies suck! But that’s an op-ed for another day.

If DC starts making entire films to introduce all these heroes, then it could easily saturate the theaters with craptastic films. So there's a logical point there.

Rather than that, I don't know how Jett thinks you can do a JL live-action movie without at least Superman and Wonder Woman.

 

[echostation]

they key here isn't just screentime.. but making sure people don't laugh in the theater when they see bright colored multiple costumes altogether. Superman's and Batman's are fine in that sense due to them being widely recognized.

If they do Wonder Woman and Green Lantern and Green Arrow, those could be potential laughing stocks if shown directly adapted to the screen. They need to be carefully done like the Spider-man and Daredevil costumes. IMO they should get James Acheson for the costumes... cuz despite some of his costumes sucking, Spider-Man and DareDevil I thought had excellent screen adaptations.

Louise Migenbach should stay the **** away from this film though