Bought/Thought 4/2 Secret Invasion Edition

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I know this thread had to happen so I figured I'd do it while I had some down time. Didn't get read my books but have fun everyone!

And please remember SPOILER TAGS [BLACKOUT]But a blackout is fine too.[/BLACKOUT]

This was a huge week for me and all the books look good!
 
It couldn't suck harder if he'd said "First post, I win!"
 
Spoiler tags? In the bought/thought thread?
 
I actually kind of hope the first person to actually buy some comics and then think about them bypasses this thread altogether and just starts a new one.
 
That's what I was planning on doing in the off chance that I've read my books before there's a new thread.
 
Ah gezz, I can't wait to read all these reviews :dry:
 
What's so wrong with the thread though? I'm not at my computer crying or anything but seriously? It happens to me a bunch of times-- I read my books before there is a bought/thought, I make one and write up reviews. Writing them, someone has already posted a thread with shorter reviews. Did I break some unwritten rule of hype or something?
 
Congrats you got the thread up first; u r teh best eva!!!!11
 
What's so wrong with the thread though? I'm not at my computer crying or anything but seriously? It happens to me a bunch of times-- I read my books before there is a bought/thought, I make one and write up reviews. Writing them, someone has already posted a thread with shorter reviews. Did I break some unwritten rule of hype or something?

Uh, yeah, you did. The rule is you post in the thread AFTER you read your books so you can share your thoughts. Every hyper knows that. I'm a n00b and I know that. No one wants to read a Bought/Thought thread that says "I didn't read my books yet, but I wanted to have the first post". Sorry Jester, but bad form.
 
Alright fine so I broke some unwritten rule so now everyone has their fun at my expense. I wasn't trying to get any points or "rep." I was just trying to be helpful-- my previous reply gives my reasons, but w/e.

Someone else can make a new bought/thought thread and everyone will just post there. I'll make a note of it for next time and review some books.
 
anyway.

Secret Invasion # 1

Whats there to say, it was a great setup issue. However every single thing that was mentioned in spoilers by the "disgruntled marvel b0y" and mr anonymous pretty much came true. So it was a big shock, but Im confused about the Captain Marvel thing like wtf?

The Walkind Dead 48

And then there were two haha. Holy ****, from finishing the issue it seems like the only two original characters that are alive are Rick and Carl, everyone basically dies. But michonne is still not heard from.

I read through my issues fast. But I was PLEASED with the Walking Dead. Im going to reread it again.

But secret invasion was spoiled for me a long time ago when the entire issue was leaked by the "informants"
 
Secret Invasion #1:

Awesome. So far so good Bendis. Very good setup issue, Bendis is good at writing "all hell breaks loose" scenarios. I too was confused at the Captain Marvel segment but we'll see. I take back everything i said about Lienil Yu, his artwork here was awesome, you can tell he took his time with this and relly produced some wonderful looking pages. On a side note: I love how Bendis portrays spider-man here, usually he writes him like an immature 15 year old but here, he acts very mature and insightful yet witty at the same time. Thats what Spidey should be. Anyway great issue, let's hope Bendis nails the next 7.
 
anyway.

Secret Invasion # 1

Whats there to say, it was a great setup issue. However every single thing that was mentioned in spoilers by the "disgruntled marvel b0y" and mr anonymous pretty much came true. So it was a big shock, but Im confused about the Captain Marvel thing like wtf?

The Walkind Dead 48

And then there were two haha. Holy ****, from finishing the issue it seems like the only two original characters that are alive are Rick and Carl, everyone basically dies. But michonne is still not heard from.

I read through my issues fast. But I was PLEASED with the Walking Dead. Im going to reread it again.

But secret invasion was spoiled for me a long time ago when the entire issue was leaked by the "informants"

Here's a hint: if you want to enjoy a story based on mystery and suspense, DON'T READ SPOILERS.
 
Thread failure.

Right right, but I think you are a little late with the comment. I was waiting on someone else to just make another bought thought thread but I guess people are a bit busy today.

The only thing I don't quite get is this-- the idea a few people had was that I so desired to get first post and be considered the greatest hype user ever or something (not my intentions but this is what a few people thought) that I made a bought thought thread without my bought thoughts. Because I wanted to seem more able than anyone else at clicking the "new thread link." (Again, not true but some people reacted as though it were true.)

Let me clear the record I don't care who gets a first post, I honestly don't. I don't post that frequently, I'm not a numbers poster. So that didn't factor into my thinking when I made the link. I just figured since it was a nice event day we could just get this thread started since pretty much every Wednesday one goes up. But maybe it looks bad if people are so caught up with the first poster status. So a few people are like "thread sucks" "thread failure" with the idea being that it's childish to go after the first post. Let's assume that's true. Isn't also a little childish to derail a bought/thought thread, and to say a "thread sucks?" "Thread sucks isn't helpful criticism. It doesn't tell me what I did wrong. Paradoxically, it too is a type of childishness. Maybe that tactic works with someone who just doesn't listen but I've never been recalcitrant or untoward on this board. Just say, "you know, don't go after first posts, people don't respect that." (Someone did that which is perfectly alright.) And then move on. If the thread is bad enough, kill it by not posting in it. Don't just keep bumping it by saying "thread sucks" or some variation over and over. That form too is equally as bad, especially when I said already that I saw that I'd erred and that I was only trying to be helpful.

As I said already I learned my lesson. Someone else make a new review thread (or just post in this one) and let's just get back to enjoying comics. :up:
 
Dude, it's just common sense. Suck it up, say my bad and don't give a **** about someone posting later. It just makes you look exactly like what you're telling us you're not. You know, because all these responses to other people's bullscat on here just give you more post counts and don't really change the fact that hey, just like everyone at some point in life, you ****ed up.

Get over it.
 
Don't worry about Jester, they'll get over it. No one else made a "better" thread so I guess this is it, problem solved.
So uhh... where is everybody? 17 posts and 2 reviews? I'm not getting my books til Friday and I really want to read Dread's 5 or 6 paragraphs. C'mon dude, where you at?
 
Clandestine #3

Alan Davis’ enjoyable return to his classic Marvel UK property hits the slightly-more-than-halfway point here, and it’s an interesting piece of work, because while it centres on the family, there’s about three or four different plots going here, with no obvious unity to them; in some ways, it feels like seized the opportunity for a return trip to the Clan and shoved in several of the plots he had planned out before he had to leave the original series during the industry bust in the 1990s. We’ve got Dominic thrown through time and ending up with the original cast of Excalibur midway through the Cross-Time Caper; the twins about to be attacked by vampires; a coup among the Omegans; something weird going on with Walter’s powers; and Adam Destine journeying back to Yden (whatever that is) to find out what’s going on with him. All this is strung along the central idea of some mysterious guild (completely absent here) surveiling the Clan for some reason.

Needless to say, the narrative is kind of cluttered. That said, it’s all quite fun to read (I especially enjoy the twist with the seeming supervillain who attacked Newton last issue); the original series was Davis toying with non-traditional superheroes (apart from the twins, no one in this series wants to be one), but in a decidedly light and humourous way, rather than the ultra-serious/cynical way that usually goes. He’s up to the same bag of tricks here, and it’s enjoyable. He even managed to squeeze a revisit of the classic Excalibur team into this.

Detective Comics #843

On impulse, I’m back reading this title, since there wasn’t much else coming out, and Dini’s issues are enjoyable, if not Must Read material, most of the time; fittingly enough, the previous issues of this title that I’ve read were #833-34, which also featured a Batman/Zatanna team-up, which is referenced rather heavily here. Speaking of which, a different kind of team-up may be in Bruce and Zee’s future.

The plot du jour features a new nightclub being open in Gotham, and some is out to sabotage it. The club is owned by a Mr. Sabatino, apparently a shady figure from past issues, who wants to hire Zatanna to perform at the opening. Zee agrees for an exorbitant fee, and help Batman’s detective-ing, but the villain is pretty obvious if you look at the cover. Unfortunately, Scarface and the (new) Ventriloquist are among the least impressive Batman villains you can find, although the new chick is at least easy on the eyes. Zatanna, meanwhile, is wondering if she and Bruce might not be compatible in a romantic way, after his caring for her in their last team-up. Now, we all know that Paul Dini worships Zatanna, and, through his worship, he managed to meet someone who was basically Zatanna in real life and marry her (so there is at least one quantifiable example of comics getting you laid); now he’s angling to hook her up with the DCU’s biggest bachelor. But it’s entertaining, so whatever. No relationship will ever last with him, anyway, and Dini knows that.

Art-wise, Dustin Nguyen is an interesting choice for Dini’s detective stories; it’s stylish, and he draws a great Zatanna, but I’m not sure it’s an approach I especially like for Batman and his city.

Secret Invasion #1

The big tamale arrives, and, because I’m a huge sucker, I’m onboard once again; I had planned to sit out "World War Hulk", but I ended up buying it; it’s the same story here.

Bendis is an extremely controversial writer among the internet fandom; I count myself among the neutral faction; he’s had good and bad ideas, and New Avengers is dreary, but I’ve enjoyed most of Mighty Avengers, and the Illuminati miniseries was a lot of fun (maybe because he had a co-writer). Bendis’ rep is that he shouldn’t write stuff above street-level, and it’s true that he doesn’t have the panache for that kind of thing that someone like Millar has (the takedown of Earth’s defences here doesn’t come close to the Liberators’ assault on the Ultimates and SHIELD in Ultimates 2), but the stuff here is pretty good overall. Unlike a lot of his stories, and perhaps because there’s already been so much (pretty bland) buildup, things start off with about seven bangs here, as the Skrulls systematically target the Avengers, SHIELD, and the Fantastic Four. Regarding the final reveal with all the 70s heroes, if we were meant to take that seriously, it was a serious error to include a bunch of characters who they would never make Skrulls (starting with Captain America, Thor, and Iron Man, among others); but, from a writing standpoint, it’s a great Skrull tactic (and it will doubtless cause message boards to be flooded with inane speculation).

The big X-factor going into this was Leinil Yu’s art; from what I saw of it on New Avengers, he was really bad. However, here, with the aid of Morales on inks and Martin on covers (M & M), his art becomes not just not bad, but actually rather good (gasp!). So, all in all, this is a pretty good start to the summer event; granted, there are seven issues still to go, and plenty to go wrong, but they’re off to a good start.

Young Avengers Presents #3

Delayed a week into April, resulting in not one but two issues of this miniseries coming out, we now get a spotlight on Wiccan and Speed, writting by Robert Aguire-Sacasa and drawn by Alina Urusov. Overall, it’s another solid, though not exceptional, installment.

First off, Speed makes his first actual appearance in forever; he appeared in the Civil War tie-in miniseries, but never in the event itself, he never shows up in their guest appearances, and he was even omitted from all the group shots in the last issue; maybe it’s because he was introduced so late, but, seriously writers and artists, he is in fact on the team. Even here, Wiccan is the focal character, with all the narration, and the main role in the plot. Now, with that said, Aguire-Sacasa does a good job with the brothers’ dynamic (such as the idea that Speed has, without any evidence, decided that he’s the older of the two), and includes some good scenes between Wiccan and Hulkling (although, once again, the team’s status quo makes absolutely no sense in light of the fact that Iron Man et al. know their names). The idea of Hulkling subbing for Wiccan to keep his parents happy is fun (where is Teddy living, exactly?). There’s not really much of a plot; the brothers visit the usual locations (Wundagore, Genosha, their parents’ old home in New Jersey) to try and find Wanda, they fail, but stumble across Master Pandemonium, whose example makes them decide to just leave Wanda alone, wherever she is, and they go home. In a lot of respects, this series defines the pros and cons of done-in-one storytelling; it’s possible to tell an enjoyable story in one issue, but this is coupled here with the fact that there are not going to be any major changes made to the characters in what is essentially a filler miniseries. Now, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with status quo storytelling; in fact, some titles have a major problem because they never settle down to explore theirs (Amazing Spider-Man had this problem for years before BND). However, in retrospect, I think it would have been a better idea to do a six-issue team storyline with one set of creators, to allow for a more expansive canvas. That said, it’s a good issue, and Urusov’s art is nice and clean.

I’m really looking forward to the last three issues more than this and the previous one; first, Vision (and Vision/Stature) by Paul Cornell, then some writer attempts the rather difficult task of addressing Stature’s own status quo, and then Fraction and Davis on Hawkeye. With the recently announced SI tie-in, the Young Avengers will be in publication through August; I hope to God Marvel has something in the works after that, because this property needs some real forward movement.

Young X-Men #1

The other young superheroes; this was another title I wasn’t planning to buy, but it was a slow week, and the recent announcement of hack and thief Greg Land on Uncanny X-Men has me contemplating dropping that, so I might as well explore other options for were to spend my X-dollars. I read every issue of Craig Kyle and Chris Yost’s run on New X-Men, and I quite enjoyed it, so I was sad to see it end (X-Force, two issues in, isn’t up to that book’s standard). They’ve cherry-picked two of that book’s minor castmembers, Rockslide and Dust, plus background characters Blindfold and Wolf Cub, and two new characters (198 mutants must be getting pretty close to full at this point), Ink (brief introduction here) and someone called Greymalkin who hasn’t appeared yet. It’s a rather eclectic mix, and most of the characters I really liked aren’t here, but I’ll let that pass (fans of the old old New X-Men felt the same way when Kyle and Yost arrived, after all).

Cyclops is out to put together a new team of child soldiers, so he makes the rounds to Afghanistan (where Dust has established herself as the protector of various local villages, and gets a very cool scene where as "the wind" she shreds some Taliban goons), Germany (Wolf Cub out to kill a depowered Maximus Lobo; -1000 points for referencing a Chuck Austen story) Florida (where Rockslide is living; an opportunistic Blindfold is also there, since she knows the team is being formed, that she joins, and that somebody will die in a fight with Donald Pierce some time in the future), and California (the "Ink" character), before taking everybody back to Westchester and the ruins of the Mansion. He wants the team to fight a new Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, which, as it turns out, are now Sunspot and various other New Mutants (Magma, Cannonball, and Dani Moonstar); now, this is the point where any longtime X-fan has to reevaluate this, and there’s something seriously wrong with Cyclops here. Among other things, no other X-Men appear in this apart from him, he’s established the team in the Mansion ruins when everyone else is going to be hanging in San Fran, he’s already got a kill-squad (X-Force), and, of course, we know the New Mutants aren’t evil. Cyclops almost certainly isn’t Cyclops; the best theory I’ve seen online is that it’s actually Sebastian Shaw out to eliminate adversaries in the Hellfire Club, which fits, since the targets they’ve been given (Sunspot, the current Lord Imperial, and, we know from the future scenes, Donald Pierce) are both rivals of his. It remains to be seen.

Character-wise, Dust and Rockslide are more or less faithfully captured here (both seem a bit wittier than in the last run; Dust rarely talked, and Rockslide’s jokes are a bit more self-conscious); Blindfold’s speech patterns are about the same, although they’ve been toned down a bit (thankfully, because they grate on my nerves a lot of the time); I don’t really know enough about Wolf Cub to make a judgement, and the other two new characters haven’t really had any page-time yet. It’s a decent enough start, and Paquette’s art works pretty well.
 
Another year, another event, another chance for Marvel to make a mint and Bendis to further leave his imprint upon the line as a whole and ruin a slew of characters in one fell swoop. Since SECRET INVASION is naturally the only book 95% of us really care to discuss this week, I read it first and will review it first. Then we'll get to the other hapless books that came out this week. April kicks off with a bang.

As always, full spoilers.

Dread's BOUGHT/THOUGHT for 4/2/08:

SECRET INVASION #1:
Of EIGHT. Yes, an event as long as HOUSE OF M, but yet not as long as ULTIMATE CLONE SAGA, at least if you discount the prologues. Much like CIVIL WAR, the "lead in" crossover installments seem to be more than the actual mini, with quite a few books, including about a half year or longer's worth of NA and MA, doing so. The advantage is that this first issue pulls off an April's Fool joke by actually being somewhat fast paced. I say somewhat. The biggest improvement is on Yu's artwork, with Morales on inks and Martin on colors, it actually looks...good. Polished. Reminds me of his heyday about a decade ago on UXM and WOLVERINE where he got his claims to fame. Or it could be that this issue had a bit of lead time so he didn't have to rush, unlike the monthly grind on NA. Perhaps both. His art still has some issues if you are not into it (like people's eyeballs seeming to vanish if he wants to make things look dark", but for Yu art, it hardly gets better unless this is a cover. It looks like a step up from his NA art and that is good, because as a story this should be a step up.

Oh, and the whole "lightening in the back" cover has seriously been played out since NA #1.

It starts with the Skrulls in the past listening to some religious mumbo jumbo, which seems a bit odd as they usually have been more technological than religious, but maybe this is just a sect or cult. Then we cut to Iron Man dissecting the Skrullectra with Pym and Reed, which offers a bit of exposition for the 2 comic book readers out there who didn't know what was going on. I mean, come the **** on. NEW AVENGERS is the bests selling book in the industry. Everyone who reads comics knows what it up. But even less obligatory is Reed sounding like this is a new thing, when he was told about this in THE ILLUMINATI #6. Over at SHIELD, Agent Brand from AXM's SWORD (who just died in AXM #23 or #24, by the way; nice to know Bendis pays attention) along with Agent Dum Skrull Dugan, detects a Skrull ship landing on Earth. Faster than you can say hot potato, Hill calls Stark and Stark calls the Avengers, or at least Spider-Woman because the others are "scattered". She in turn decides to call in the New Avengers, because even though she backstabbed them to give Stark the Skrullectra, she "trusts them more than Stark". Hmm. Naturally, the New Avengers are eager to head off to the Savage Land, where the ship has landed. Cloak gets a thankless "plot device" cameo (seriously, why not just have pulled some "chi teleport" power out of Iron Fist's ass rather than involve Cloak for 2 seconds? It seems all he does is transport people. I wonder if he charges by the mile). As usual, Echo and Iron Fist really do nothing but provide a few lines of dialogue and pose in group shots. After the obligatory dinosaur encounter and whatnot, they run into the MA and the real fun begins.

The Skrulls upload a space virus into the Earth's computer grid, which shuts down Iron Man as well as SHIELD. Captain Marvel is seemingly a Skrull, which if true, seriously pulls the rug out from the last few issues of CAPTAIN MARVEL, which hinted as much (a captured Skrull claimed he is in "such deep cover" that he truly thinks he is THE Mar-Vel). And the apparent codeword to launch the attack is, "He Loves You", which is both homosexual and stupid at the same time. Granted, I am surprised it wasn't "Yahtzee!" This is also from the guy who infamously made Ultron a naked woman who professes love to mankind. And then the ship opens and all the superheroes in their 70's duds file out and claim to be home again.

Now, don't get me wrong, I geniunely hate Bendis' themes as a writer, but even I know that a slew of those characters are "safe bets" not to be retconned. Capt. America, Iron Man, Luke Cage, Wolverine, Thor and probably more are safe. Spider-Man I could see being a Skrull if only to explain how NA fit into BND, which it doesn't (they could say Spidey was replaced after BACK IN BLACK) on the team, and the real Spidey was just elsewhere, perhaps even shielded by Mephisto's spell. I'm not going to overreact to that line-up right now, since I actually do think those guys are all actually Skrulls. I mean, the heroes already don't trust each other, so why not sow it? The problem of course are the hapless B and C Listers Bendis doesn't give a damn about, and the writers who like them. Pym, for instance, is a Skrull, as is Jarvis. The rest of the Skrull army arrives, and Mr. Fantastic is taken out rather quickly, as is the Baxtor Building, which only gets blown up half as often as the X-Mansion.

The irony here is the issue isn't half bad. It gets the ball moving faster than most #1 issues from Bendis stories, although considering about 6 months of build up, that is frankly the bare minimum. The problem is that this is only 1/8th of the story and we all know that Bendis stories drag in the middle and crash in the end, especially events. It doesn't help that this smells enough of a space opera that it further reminds me of the better work Giffen did on ANNIHILATION and DnA are doing on ANNIHILATION CONQUEST and that this story will outsell both and matter more to the entire line, perhaps for years. And the last Bendis event, HOUSE OF M, butchered the entire X-Line that after some 2 years, it is merely BEGINNING to try to do something to rebound. DISASSEMBLED gutted the core Avengers and two classics, Wanda and Hawkeye, have been ruined beyond any repair. I am utterly disgusted with the thought of Bendis being given another roll of the dice to do this to the entire line. The fact that the Cup O' Joe interview panel has to dust off Stan Lee to gush shows that some controversial **** is coming, so they got "The Man" out hand to work his charisma and pump the company line. Seriously, Joe Q, if you were half as brave as you pretend, you wouldn't hide behind poor Stan Lee whenever some deep **** was coming. You'd let the story speak to for itself.

Honestly, if Brian Reed was a co-writer, or if this was being written by anyone else, or even if it was planned and plotted via committee like CIVIL WAR, I might have more hope...but this is Bendis here, the most overrated writer since J.D. Salinger (and this is coming from a guy who actually liked CATCHER IN THE RYE in high school). This story will simply provide another oppurtunity for his heroes to be inept, to in-fight, to act like desperate crybaby children, for some figure to lecture them about it, and then for them to prevail through luck or outside intervention. Or, for this to simply lead into another story and have a sucky ending, like CIVIL WAR. And he will determine which characters need his "almighty skill" to "save" from "past bad stories", with his opinions on what those are being counter to people who genuinely LIKE superheroes, rather than shock value monkies like Bendis who think superheroes need "fixing". At a time when even Mark Millar preeches about "creating" or "bringing characters together again", here comes another "trust no one because everyone, especially your best friend, is your worst enemy" storyline. I am ****ing tired of those kinds of stories.

Is there a chance Bendis will write against type? That he will actually provide some arc of genuine heroism and victory over adversity, with characters being smart and mature, and unifying for a common goal and evolving beyond all their petty ****? Sure, there is a chance. But I ask you; what are the odds, the chances, of Bendis writing a story that he has never written before, in some form or the other, with a theme he has never used before? He is all about heroes failing, falling, being inept, petty, vile, common, and stupid.

Oh, and Dr. Doom in the Raft alongside Armadillo!? Lame. Hence why him being captured and locked up simply adds nothing to him, and makes him a worse villain. Now he really is nothing more than Doc Ock in a cape and mask. He's nothing. In one storyline, Marvel's biggest bad-ass villain is now nothing more than a common hoodlum. I hope Bendis is proud. It might be worth it if maybe the next event was about Doom not only crawling back to the top, but gaining some master plan of revenge against the superheroes for the "indignity". But I would almost literally bet every dollar I would ever earn in my life that is exactly what the next event WON'T be.

To recap, SI #1 actually ain't bad. But that is kind of like a mugger politely asking you about the time before asking for your wallet. I am braced for the crap, especially now that a decent opening has begun. I cringe at what Bendis has in store for the entire line. Can't the man write any stories where he isn't out to "change everything"?

Also read, and will review: Detective Comics #843, KICK-ASS #2, LOGAN #2, MOON KNIGHT #17, PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL #18, THE TWELVE #4, and YOUNG AVENGERS PRESENTS #3.
 
SECRET INVASION #1: Of EIGHT. Yes, an event longer than HOUSE OF M,
No, that's the same as "House of M".
(who just died in AXM #23 or #24, by the way; nice to know Bendis pays attention)
She got shot. She's on the cover of the final issue.
 
No, that's the same as "House of M".

She got shot. She's on the cover of the final issue.

It goes to show you how riveting and tight HOM was that I literally forgot an issue of it's length. I recall about 3-4 issues before anything happened.

And yes, Brand is supposed to be dead. So one had to be a Skrull. Or he doesn't pay attention to Whedon books. Or Whedon revives her, and for the life of me I don't see why. She isn't at all interesting past her arc in AXM. She is basically "Space Maria Hill" with green hair. Let her character come to a dignified conclusion.
 
It goes to show you how riveting and tight HOM was that I literally forgot an issue of it's length. I recall about 3-4 issues before anything happened.

And yes, Brand is supposed to be dead. So one had to be a Skrull. Or he doesn't pay attention to Whedon books. Or Whedon revives her, and for the life of me I don't see why. She isn't at all interesting past her arc in AXM. She is basically "Space Maria Hill" with green hair. Let her character come to a dignified conclusion.

Okay, first off, I like Brand. I really want them to get back to Earth all pissed off that the skrulls blew up their space station. Second off, I'm confused about the timelines of AXM and SI as well...

In any case, I feel like you did-- at least two issues of HofM were some heroes going around waking up other heroes, and the issues were filled with them all going "no no it can't be a dream!" I think Bendis' pacing with the 1st Secret Invasion issue was pretty good. I actually wish all the issues would be longer than the standard comic size. I was really spoiled!
 

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