Bought/Thought 4/2 Secret Invasion Edition

[moraldeficiency]

Synopsis: Don't ***** about other people's *****ing. If you don't like *****ing, get off the internets.

well put.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I got a degree in English.

 

[Ion Kenshin]

ahh arguing on the hype....feels like home

 

[moraldeficiency]

it shows.

 

[Darthphere]

I'm in a good mood today.

 

[SouLeSS]

go buy nightwing

 

[TheCorpulent1]

No? Yeah, I'm gonna go with no.

 

[Darthphere]

After I buy it, what am i supposed to do with it? Because I'm certainly not reading it.

 

[gildea]

Even if you hate a concept or writer on an event you pretty much have to read it if it "changes everything" just so you know where the current state of affairs is at. Now you could just get caught up on the internet, but that's not always enough as someone else's thoughts will never mirror your own take on something.

Buying something you don't like to "stay current" is idiotic.
Sorry it is.

Finally, some people buy stuff just on the small chance they get suprised and like the story they end up getting. Personally I don't really like bendis on most of his stories and dispise his "events" with every fiber of my being, but I've also enjoyed his run on Daredevil, Alias and I do like USM. So I do think it's possible this event could surprise and turn out pretty good, I just wouldn't bet on it.

This is fair enough, I'm all for taking a chance on something.

End of the day, anyone that buys the book has as much right to tear it to shreds as someone else does to praise it's brilliance. Different opinions are the point of these boards and anyone saying people who read an issue, think about it a good deal, then articulate some very good points based on their personal opinions and preferences, should just shut up, is not just stupid but missing the point entirely. If you want to hear nothing but your own opinions, don't go on the internet.

I'm not sure of the concept of "right" so i'll leave that the hell alone.

I don't want to hear my own opinions but I would like some well written ones to contrary (spelling). Dread (the current and popular example) is an excellent writer, the best that regularly reviews on the hype. Except when Bendis (and lately millar) is involved. He suddenly goes onto auto pilot and types the same bile filled paragraphs each time. When something makes you produce hate filled rants with such regularity it's bloody common sense to suggest dropping the book. It completely effects his critical reasoning too, dread has given reasonably positive reviews to a significant portion of bendis's recent output, but so in the habit of these spite filled paragraphs is he that i'm not sure he can see it.

 

[SouLeSS]

No? Yeah, I'm gonna go with no.

OH HAY GUYZ LOOK AT ME IM NOT GONNA PICK UP THIS BOOK BECAUSE 5 AUTHORS AGO AND 100 ISSUES AGO IT STARTED TO SLIP IM SUPER COOL AND EVERYONE ON THE HYPE KNOWS ME

seriously, go ****ing buy it.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Buying something you don't like to "stay current" is idiotic.
Sorry it is.

So you have never bought a newspaper with news about something you didn't like just to know about the subject. You've never read, watched, or listened to something you didn't necessarily like just so you're not lost later on? You're lying if you say you've never done such a thing. It's an ill thought out argument without any level of introspection or thought. Sorry it is.

This is fair enough, I'm all for taking a chance on something.

Thanks for your endorsement, I can sleep tonight.

I'm not sure of the concept of "right" so i'll leave that the hell alone.

You can't understand the concept that your opinion is just as valid as mine whether you agree or not and that it's your right as a human to have your own thoughts and beliefs on anything you choose?

I don't want to hear my own opinions but I would like some well written ones to contrary (spelling). Dread (the current and popular example) is an excellent writer, the best that regularly reviews on the hype. Except when Bendis (and lately millar) is involved. He suddenly goes onto auto pilot and types the same bile filled paragraphs each time. When something makes you produce hate filled rants with such regularity it's bloody common sense to suggest dropping the book. It completely effects his critical reasoning too, dread has given reasonably positive reviews to a significant portion of bendis's recent output, but so in the habit of these spite filled paragraphs is he that i'm not sure he can see it.

You're assuming you're this objective knight on a mountian looking down at the prejudiced villagers and showing them true objective thought. If you really think you're not completely subjective like everyone else on this earth then you're just in deep deep denial. Everyone's personal opinions influence what they think, write and do.

Don't suppose you understand someone else so completely that you can comprehend their reasoning or mindset. That's idiotic and reaching.

Dread probably goes the most in depth of any reviewer here and doesn't just spew, "bendis sucks". He writes pages that explain why he thinks the way he does, you might not agree, but the man's not on autopilot. People boil down some very good points to him just being of one mindset. Group anyone into just one category and see how fast you look like an @sshole.

 

[Doc Destruction]

For the 50th time...arguing with gildea is as fun and purposeful as cheese grating your nuts.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

OH HAY GUYZ LOOK AT ME IM NOT GONNA PICK UP THIS BOOK BECAUSE 5 AUTHORS AGO AND 100 ISSUES AGO IT STARTED TO SLIP IM SUPER COOL AND EVERYONE ON THE HYPE KNOWS ME

seriously, go ****ing buy it.

I bought the first couple issues of Tomasi's run. It wasn't bad. I'm actually not buying it because I've got a ton of debt at the moment and I need to cut back on as many comics as possible. But hey, don't let paltry things like facts or real life stop you from most likely turning people away from Nightwing with your acerbic demands.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Hey, it's my first one with the wacky scot, give me a break. Besides I can't just let that stand, someone wrote something wrong on the internet and it's my sworn duty to avenge the error in thought instead of doing my job at work.

 

[Egotastic]

For anyone still interested in BND, Zeb Wells totally knocked it out of the park. The overall premise sucks beyond belief, and I'm still not buying it (just reading it), but I may actually pick up Wells' arc. It's my Spidey. It's not goofy or campy or crappy. He's funny, he's smart and he's 100% less the loser that Slott and Gale want him to be. The characterization is spot on here. Oh, and Bachalo was totally born to draw Spider-Man. A+

 

[fifthfiend]

I don't want to hear my own opinions but I would like some well written ones to contrary (spelling). Dread (the current and popular example) is an excellent writer, the best that regularly reviews on the hype. Except when Bendis (and lately millar) is involved. He suddenly goes onto auto pilot and types the same bile filled paragraphs each time. When something makes you produce hate filled rants with such regularity it's bloody common sense to suggest dropping the book. It completely effects his critical reasoning too, dread has given reasonably positive reviews to a significant portion of bendis's recent output, but so in the habit of these spite filled paragraphs is he that i'm not sure he can see it.

If you're going to comment on someone's critical reasoning you should really try engaging his actual criticisms instead of dismissing him out of hand with ad-hominem slurs.

I mean I'm just saying, I disagree with Dread about a whole lot of things but man when one of those things comes up I like, go ahead and disagree with him, I don't start claiming that his failure to agree with me is proof of a psychotic episode.

(Or I don't know, maybe I have? I mean I don't recall every argument I've had around here and I do get worked up on occasion. But I shouldn't, anyway.)

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The Twelve #4: Great, as usual. We get Rockman's origin, but we're still not entirely sure whether it's true or he's just a crazy guy. Phantom Reporter totally strikes out with Black Widow, who apparently may be either a lesbian or really into the goth scene or both. Dynamic Man gets called a Nazi, which was funny. Weston's art continues to impress me. Looking forward to the next issue.

Buffy season 8 #13: Drew Goddard was one of the best writers of the TV series, and he can apparently keep his level of quality up in comics, too. Xander 100% steals the show in this issue. Goddard writes a whole scene of Dracula, Renee, and Xander having tea that is hilarious. The mystery behind the Japanese wolf-vamps and their connection to Dracula deepens, and I'm pretty intrigued to see where it goes next after that last page. I hope we get some more about Dracula's magic, too. Jeanty's art is strong, as usual, but Andrew still doesn't look at all like Andrew. Oh, and Willow apparently has the exact same opinion on Buffy's one-night stand with Satsu that I do.

 

[Darthphere]

Chris Weston should totally have taken over for Gary Frank on Squadron Supreme.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

He could take over for just about anyone on a character-driven superhero comic and I'd be more than happy.

 

[RockSP]

Buying something you don't like to "stay current" is idiotic.
Sorry it is.

Yeah it is pretty silly to spend money on a comic book you can't stand. Just read it in the store or something...

 

[Doc Destruction]

Which some have admitted to doing.

 

[Egotastic]

I do it with ASM.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I do it with ASM.

Me too, then I take the latest issue of countdown and cover it up.

 

[gildea]

So you have never bought a newspaper with news about something you didn't like just to know about the subject. You've never read, watched, or listened to something you didn't necessarily like just so you're not lost later on? You're lying if you say you've never done such a thing. It's an ill thought out argument without any level of introspection or thought. Sorry it is.

You're right I would be lying that's why i didn't say it. Everyone has done it. The trick is to know when you're doing it, though can't say I always have. You shouldn't make up my argument for me, it's a VERY ill thought out argument if you do.

You can't understand the concept that your opinion is just as valid as mine whether you agree or not and that it's your right as a human to have your own thoughts and beliefs on anything you choose?

Just don't understand the lazy line of discussion people tend to pull saying "it's my right etc etc etc". It's so obvious a statement as to be pointless.

You're assuming you're this objective knight on a mountian looking down at the prejudiced villagers and showing them true objective thought. If you really think you're not completely subjective like everyone else on this earth then you're just in deep deep denial. Everyone's personal opinions influence what they think, write and do.

Opinions are by definition subjective. Again you're ascribing a position to me I've not taken. Please don't, it's tiresome.

Don't suppose you understand someone else so completely that you can comprehend their reasoning or mindset. That's idiotic and reaching.

Again I don't suppose to, just commenting on what is in front of me.

Dread probably goes the most in depth of any reviewer here and doesn't just spew, "bendis sucks".

I didn't say he did. I said what he types is pretty much the same thing.

He writes pages that explain why he thinks the way he does, you might not agree, but the man's not on autopilot.

He is on autopilot by the time he's gotten the plot summary out of the way when he's writing a bendis (and at times, millar) review.

People boil down some very good points to him just being of one mindset. Group anyone into just one category and see how fast you look like an @sshole.

And what mindset exactly have I boiled him down to? I've only made one comment that can actually be ascribed to him, the rest was on his writing.

For the 50th time...arguing with gildea is as fun and purposeful as cheese grating your nuts.

One wonders why you'd try that....
Now hush you tiresome man.
(Besides it's quite easy to argue with me, heck even the previous bought thought thread I quite readily admitted I was wrong)

If you're going to comment on someone's critical reasoning you should really try engaging his actual criticisms instead of dismissing him out of hand with ad-hominem slurs.

I regularly do. However I wasn't actually trying to discuss SI more the argument of recommending someone not buy a book. I certainly wasn't trying to slur him in anyway and if it comes off as that I apologise in advance.

I don't start claiming that his failure to agree with me is proof of a psychotic episode.

Not getting on at you but I DO NOT CARE if he disagrees with me, besides we tend to (silently) agree on more than we disagree. Heck trawl through the recent b/t threads and you'll even find him praising an issue of mighty avengers and me slagging it off. My own bone of contention is that his criticism of bendis leans less on criticism of the work and more on making repeated assumptions about the man himself and the inner workings of marvel.

 

[gildea]

yeah double post