Bought/Thought June 3rd 2009, SPOILERS contained within

Yeah, what he said. I've never looked at Annihilation as the cosmic event that all others must follow the example of. It elevated some cosmic characters, Conquest elevated others, and now War of Kings is elevating others. It's working for me. Basically, as far as I'm concerned, if it takes place in space, it's viable as a cosmic crossover. The Shi'ar starting a war with someone like Vulcan in charge is not only reasonable, it'd be a glaring plot hole if it didn't happen. I like the political overtones to the war, too--something that Annihilation lacked, since it was basically a balls-to-the-wall sci fi war with an invading force that didn't have to stick around afterward and a bunch of random survivors thrown together by chance.
 
War of Kings has been incredible.

Agreed. I think Anniliation, much as I loved it, gets more love than it probably should because before that we just didn't have much and while it was a pretty straight forward invasion story, it was very well written. I like WoK better due to the more complex story elements and uncertianty of the ending.
 
Quite. Granted, WoK could use a few more big cosmic names, but the characters involved serve the story and anymore would probably turn it into a clusterf***. The Nova Corps has felt sort of cut off from the main action as well, but that also serves Nova's story, since Rich is sort of busy with his own deal and the Nova Corps is really not in a position to help in the war much anyway, as Robbie just found out.
 
But all those side books, including the GotG stuff and Ascension stuff, should really be considered part of the "War of Kings" event anyway. The Nova/Surfer/Ronan/Super-Skrull minis were all considered full portions of the Annihilation Saga and not just "tie-ins."
 
True. The cosmic events do a good job of tying their tie-ins in just enough while still allowing them to keep their identities. Probably helps that the same guys write virtually all of them.
 
Not been a big fan of the WoK tie-in's actually. They've felt weak and boring to me.
 
I've liked them. Darkhawk could've been part of Ascension rather than its own thing, but other than that, they've been good.
 
Kingbreaker felt like something that could have been handled in three panels in the main series. Darkhawk I was just never really into. GoG seems fine but with all the crazy plotlines they keep tossing in the air I'd like them to maybe stay with a few and nail them down a bit more before piling on. Nova has been absent from my shop for a bit now, so I'll have to catch up on that.
 
I like it when comics juggle a ton of plot lines at once, so GotG is right up my alley. I do wish we'd see more of Starhawk, though. I almost forgot he/she was in the book.
 
Hey I like juggling too, but look how many balls we've got in the air right now in the series. I just tried to count them and stopped at 15, they're running the risk of diminishing some of them by not at least letting them breathe a little.
 
15? Geez...

1. Starhawk's deal
2. Universal Church of Truth's Adam Warlock-sized cocoon
3. How Major Victory got to the 616 time/dimension (probably connected to 1)
4. Phyla becoming an agent of Oblivion
5. Guardians trying to stop the Kree/Shi'ar War (ends with WoK)

That's all I can remember off the top of my head...
 
15? Geez...

1. Starhawk's deal
2. Universal Church of Truth's Adam Warlock-sized cocoon
3. How Major Victory got to the 616 time/dimension (probably connected to 1)
4. Phyla becoming an agent of Oblivion
5. Guardians trying to stop the Kree/Shi'ar War (ends with WoK)

That's all I can remember off the top of my head...

I broke them up a bit more...but...

Mantis' prenomition of doom
Those space/time rifts
Warlock, wtf
Phyla being back
Starhawk
Mantis screwing with everyone's minds
Vance
The Phalanx thingy
Blastaar
42
the hippie skrulls
the current happenings with the skrulls
the current happenings with the kree
Moondragon
Wendell

And that's not to talk about the interplay of personalities other than the mind altering thing.
 
Man, not all of that has to be covered in explicit detail or anything.

- Mantis' premonition of doom probably goes hand in hand with the space/time rifts, Starhawk, and Vance.
- Mantis screwing with everyone's minds is technically being handled right now, since I figure the characters working together in spite of their differences is going to result in everyone reluctantly agreeing to re-form the Guardians, only they'll probably choose a different leader than Peter.
- Blastaar and 42 are being handled in Avengers: The Initiative rather than GotG. Which is fine, really, since Peter only went to 42 because Blastaar forced him to, and he was only in the Negative Zone because Ronan was all *****etastic and threw him in there. Ronan's deposed now, the Phalanx Babel Spire no longer works because of their assault on Kree space, and Taskmaster's team'll take down Blastaar.
- What hippie Skrulls?
- What current happenings with the Skrulls? They've been quiet since Secret Invasion.
- The Kree are going to clearly have a new status quo by the end of WoK, so there's no guarantee there'll be anything to do with them in GotG after that.
- Moondragon doesn't really need specific dealing with; whenever the stuff with Phyla comes up, Moondragon'll factor in naturally.
- Wendell doesn't necessarily need specific dealing with either. He's got his quantum bands back and Phyla's off being queen b**** of the universe thanks to Oblivion. No real need for the Guardians and Quasar to necessarily be involved with each other at this point.
 
Man, not all of that has to be covered in explicit detail or anything.

No, I'm just asking they be touched upon from time to time rather than jumping into the next thing and leaving them to wait. You have to agree there is a lot of plot they've left on hold to jump to the next thing.

- Mantis' premonition of doom probably goes hand in hand with the space/time rifts, Starhawk, and Vance.

Probably assumes a great deal. I'm gonna say it's something else entirely.

- Mantis screwing with everyone's minds is technically being handled right now, since I figure the characters working together in spite of their differences is going to result in everyone reluctantly agreeing to re-form the Guardians, only they'll probably choose a different leader than Peter.

hopefully, and maybe, but again we're not there yet.

- Blastaar and 42 are being handled in Avengers: The Initiative rather than GotG. Which is fine, really, since Peter only went to 42 because Blastaar forced him to, and he was only in the Negative Zone because Ronan was all *****etastic and threw him in there. Ronan's deposed now, the Phalanx Babel Spire no longer works because of their assault on Kree space, and Taskmaster's team'll take down Blastaar.

That's okay in someways I guess. Not a big fan of an aspect going to another book though and not being touched again in the one it started out in. But that could just be me.

- What hippie Skrulls?

Cosmo's buddies.

- What current happenings with the Skrulls? They've been quiet since Secret Invasion.

I meant Shiar.

- The Kree are going to clearly have a new status quo by the end of WoK, so there's no guarantee there'll be anything to do with them in GotG after that.

No there isn't. It's just another ball currently in the air.

- Moondragon doesn't really need specific dealing with; whenever the stuff with Phyla comes up, Moondragon'll factor in naturally.

Maybe, maybe not. Again you're assuming.

- Wendell doesn't necessarily need specific dealing with either. He's got his quantum bands back and Phyla's off being queen b**** of the universe thanks to Oblivion. No real need for the Guardians and Quasar to necessarily be involved with each other at this point.

I guess, but there isn't a NEED for anything in the comic. It's just a plot point that's brought up to be dropped without anything further? Seems sloppy and I'm gonna say it will be addressed in GoG, I'd just like to see a little more air time given to all the craziness they've established, that's all.
 
I'm pretty close to dropping War of Kings, though with two issues left, I might as well stick it out.

What a disappointment so far, though. I loved the original Annihilation, but DnA have really squandered the momentum that Giffen built up, first with Conquest and now this. I'd actually rate Conquest higher than War of Kings; in spite of its flaws, Conquest felt like more of a "sequel" to what happened in Annihilation. War of Kings is just an X-Men/Inhumans story, with all the cosmic characters we've been following over the last couple years just playing bit parts.

Yeah, what he said. I've never looked at Annihilation as the cosmic event that all others must follow the example of. It elevated some cosmic characters, Conquest elevated others, and now War of Kings is elevating others. It's working for me. Basically, as far as I'm concerned, if it takes place in space, it's viable as a cosmic crossover. The Shi'ar starting a war with someone like Vulcan in charge is not only reasonable, it'd be a glaring plot hole if it didn't happen. I like the political overtones to the war, too--something that Annihilation lacked, since it was basically a balls-to-the-wall sci fi war with an invading force that didn't have to stick around afterward and a bunch of random survivors thrown together by chance.

War of Kings has been incredible.

Agreed. I think Anniliation, much as I loved it, gets more love than it probably should because before that we just didn't have much and while it was a pretty straight forward invasion story, it was very well written. I like WoK better due to the more complex story elements and uncertianty of the ending.

Oh Blader, never change.
 
No, I'm just asking they be touched upon from time to time rather than jumping into the next thing and leaving them to wait. You have to agree there is a lot of plot they've left on hold to jump to the next thing.



Probably assumes a great deal. I'm gonna say it's something else entirely.



hopefully, and maybe, but again we're not there yet.



That's okay in someways I guess. Not a big fan of an aspect going to another book though and not being touched again in the one it started out in. But that could just be me.



Cosmo's buddies.



I meant Shiar.



No there isn't. It's just another ball currently in the air.



Maybe, maybe not. Again you're assuming.



I guess, but there isn't a NEED for anything in the comic. It's just a plot point that's brought up to be dropped without anything further? Seems sloppy and I'm gonna say it will be addressed in GoG, I'd just like to see a little more air time given to all the craziness they've established, that's all.
I don't think all plot points need to be addressed in the comic they're brought up in. Regarding the 42 element, you could say that it's going back home to A:TI, since it started in the aftermath of Civil War, which A:TI is much closer to, and GotG just borrowed it for a random, one-off adventure Peter had in the interim while the Guardians were split up. The rest of them, yeah, I'm assuming stuff, but aren't you assuming just as much by treating all of them as separate things when some will almost certainly be handled simultaneously? Or by saying GotG even needs to address them and they can't simply be left to subtext or other comics? Personally, I see GotG as juggling a few major plot lines with some outlying miscellany that could or could not be cleared up rather quickly.
 
That's sorta my point though, we can only assume cause they aren't really being addressed. It's not a big deal and I love the comic, I just wish they would remember some of the cool stuff they've set up and come back to it at least a little bit. I don't need them cleared up one two three and the reason I break them down so much is I'd rather see them worked out in bits rather than all at once. What I don't like is when something is brought up then just dropped completely. I hope we don't see too much of that.
 
Well, I chalk it up to WoK right now. They were juggling their plot lines better before they were swept up into the big crossover, and they'll probably go back to dealing with them better once WoK's done.
 
I figure that's it too, between WoK and SI they had the tie-in mania **** going, now if they can just stay away from Dark Reign and get back to where they were at I'll be a happy camper.
 
To me, an event tie in should, ideally, reflect the event in question while still furthering the particular story, agenda, and focus of that particular book. Otherwise it will just seem like the ongoing is lost without crossovers; the fate of some of the X-Men titles in the late 90's, such as EXCALIBUR, X-FACTOR and pre-Milligan X-FORCE. By and large, the two ongoing titles that crossover into WAR OF KINGS haven't suffered from that. NOVA has a set story and is fulfilling it; no, it isn't essential to WAR OF KINGS, but it works for Richard Rider's story, so that matters more. Nothing is more artificial than watching the storyline of an ongoing series grind to a complete halt to do crossover event tie-in's. Despite writing SECRET INVASION, both NEW and MIGHTY AVENGERS suffered from this under Bendis. Many stories became of filler quality and usually didn't involve anyone from the cast of either book. WAR OF KINGS hasn't done that with NOVA or GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY.

Plus, NOVA is at least headed into a showdown against Kallark's cousin, who was a villain in KINGBREAKER.

I do agree that KINGBREAKER could have been covered in 4 pages or 4 panels, much less 4 issues. However, the action set-pieces were exciting, and I think it was a mea culpa to X-Men/Starjammer fans for basically shoving the Starjammers to the fringes of their two year storyline to allow someone who isn't one of them to beat Vulcan in WAR OF KINGS.

GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY does seem a bit more intertwined with WAR OF KINGS, but I see that as due to their purpose; Peter Quill organized them to be pro-active against a threat like Annihilus or Ultron destroying galaxies again. Vulcan is such a threat, and so is the war between the Shi'ar and the Kree, so they would be very involved in stopping it. And, of course, have learned the hard way from various angles that good intentions and diplomatic overtures to zealots fall on deaf ears. Professionals in politics can fail to learn such points for decades. The subplots with Warlock and Phyla are in play, though.

DARKHAWK/ASCENSION seem a bit on the fringes, but I am enjoying them.

WAR OF KINGS itself, though, is working well as a story unto itself, and maybe that is what is shocking. Instead of a death every issue and nothing but explosions, it has lengthy chapters dedicated to character stuff, like Gladiator's changing of ideals or Crystal and Ronan slowly getting closer. That is almost unseen in events of the 21st century. Most are merely checklists of cool moments slapped together on top of an ad for the next event; HOUSE OF M, CIVIL WAR, SECRET INVASION come to mind. WORLD WAR HULK was less so, because Pak is a better writer, it simply came off as what we thought was some ultimate Hulk fan ******* (until Loeb's HULK showed us that, if motivated, Hulk really could punch out Eternity). The ANNIHILATION line of events have easily been the best "events" Marvel has put forth in terms of quality, at least for me. They work because they work as events as well as stories, and aren't as static with the same leads always saving the day in the exact same way (or, for Bendis events, the same leads always FAILING to save the day in the exact same way).
 
Both Annihilation and WOK are very different.

Anny had more of a Sci-Fi feel akin to a ridley scott movie or well done Heavy Mettle piece.

WOK is more ole mighty marvel, with capes , vibrant cast of characters, and complex weaving plot lines. I feel more Jack Kirby and old 70s Marvel in WOK, yet it has a sense of viability and connectiveness.


I like both of them....it's nice that we see this level of diverse creatvity in Marvel.

If you would have told me that Marvel was capable of uplifting there cosmic line to this extent , basically without Big and Silver Surfer I'd a called you crazy.
 

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